Arturo Benedetti-Michelangeli discography

[M***@googlemail.com]

Please feel free to revise or refer to it.

Arturo Benedetti-Michelangeli discography
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dctfvnbq_11dj786fft


Well, I am hopefully having to make some changes with the descriptions
in the below.
ref.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dctfvnbq_9gcxjjmck

[Peter Lemken]

Post by M***@googlemail.com
Please feel free to revise or refer to it.

I don't read or write Japanese, besides, I wonder why you are duplicating
the effort?

http://www.andrewfwilson.co.uk/abm1.htm

is a lot more precise and concise.


Peter Lemken
0711

[JohnGavin]

Post by Peter Lemken

Post by M***@googlemail.com
Please feel free to revise or refer to it.

I don't read or write Japanese, besides, I wonder why you are duplicating
the effort?
http://www.andrewfwilson.co.uk/abm1.htm
is a lot more precise and concise.
Peter Lemken
0711
--
Nature abhors crude hacks.

Has anyone heard the Tokyo recordings of ABM with the Ravel Valses
Nobles et Sentimentales yet (ca 1973)? I'm wondering if it's worth
getting.

[Eric Grunin]

Post by Peter Lemken

Post by M***@googlemail.com
Please feel free to revise or refer to it.

I don't read or write Japanese, besides, I wonder why you are duplicating
the effort?

Perhaps because he has items which the other omits.

Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica

[Paolo Pesenti]

Post by Eric Grunin
Perhaps because he has items which the other omits.

Actually, both have major problems. The best discography I know has
been compiled by Stefano Biosa at the Centro di Documentazione ABM in
Brescia, and most recently published as an appendix to a book on ABM
by Piero Rattalino. The new one is generally less reliable than
Biosa's but includes some items that do not appear there. For
instance, consider the discography of Beethoven's Emperor:

Piano Concerto No.5, Opus 73
＊1942,F Geneva Ansermet/Radio Suisse R.O (Ermitage)

This is only a fragment from the I movement

1947 Milano Rossi/RAI Torino O. (ARKADIA)
？1956 Napoli Horenstein/Teatro San Carlo (RAI, not issued)

This does not appear in Biosa.

＊1957 Praha Smetacek/Prague S.O. (Le Chant du Monde)
1960 Roma Freccia/O.S RAI della Roma (Fonit Cetra) *1
1960 Vatican Freccia/O.S RAI della Roma (Memoria) *2; 1!=2

There is only one performance, recorded live at the Vatican on April
28 and patched in a Rome studio on May 14

？1966 NYC Steinberg/NYP (Memories)

Biosa also includes a performance with Caracciolo in Bergamo on June
22

　？1966 Chicago Previn/CSO　　　　　　　　　(CSO archives, not issued)

This does not appear in Biosa

　☆1969 Helsinki Celibidache/Swedish R.S.O. (ARKADIA, AS)

Biosa includes the Lausanne (Théâtre Municipal Opéra), 1970, O
National ORTF, Jean Martinon cond (Music and Arts CD 1162) and a
doubtful Zagreb (Istria Concer Hall), Jun 1971, Zagrab PO, Milan
Horvat cond

☆1974,T Paris Celibidache/O.R.T.F. (ARKADIA)
？1975,S Hamburg? C. Kleiber/Hamburg S.O.? (DGG?, unpublished)

This did not go beyond the rehearsal of few initial bars...

★1979,T Wien Giulini/Wiener Symphoniker (DGG)

[M***@googlemail.com]

Post by Peter Lemken

Post by M***@googlemail.com
Please feel free to revise or refer to it.

I don't read or write Japanese, besides, I wonder why you are duplicating
the effort?
http://www.andrewfwilson.co.uk/abm1.htm
is a lot more precise and concise.
Peter Lemken
0711

Peter,

I knew about that it is too dependent on plain information provided
from
record companies, which means we are destined to find so many errors.
That was the problems with his efforts. Well, I'm not insulting but
providing
the truth.
Surely, mine is also holding errors - and I am not interested in
correcting
errors any longer, however, the efforts for precision is far beyond
all the
publication issued by the time; that is self-evident for all except
those without ears.
Besides, a discography should not be necessarily requested to be
compiled
with recording dates. Precise recording dates could tell you further
information,
but it is also poison pill for most cults. That's why I didn't provide
recording
data.

Mukudai Yoshiyuki

By the way, I have received information that might take your
interests.
-- quote from an e-mail directly sent to me on Mar 6, 2008 6:27 PM
I have a recording of Michelangeli playing Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto
No 1. However, the date and location is not known. Most likely it is
a radio broadcast, but even this is not certain.
It must be quite rare since he never commercially recorded it and
rarely performed it.

It IS definitely Michelangeli playing on the recording, no doubt about
it. This is the common consensus amongst several pianists with whom I
shared the recording.

All the best,
cvxmelody


Mar 7, 2008 12:59 PM

You may download the Michelangeli Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No 1
here:-

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3dy2zn

This is a mono recording (cassette conversion). Place/date unknown.
Listen carefully - it is definitely Michelangeli playing!

Feel free to add this to your list of Michelangeli recordings...
--- end quote

[M***@googlemail.com]

One apology for Peter,

The original html version has included detailed footnotes in English
in the source.
That was seemingly not properly reflected into this text version.
I didn't notice about this fact until I checked it up again a couple
of minutes ago.
For instance, if memory serves,
there is a doubtful Giulini Schumann recording in Vatican.

Mukudai Yoshiyuki

[Paolo Pesenti]

Post by M***@googlemail.com
By the way, I have received information that might take your
interests.
-- quote from an e-mail directly sent to me on Mar 6, 2008 6:27 PM
I have a recording of Michelangeli playing Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto
No 1. However, the date and location is not known. Most likely it is
a radio broadcast, but even this is not certain.
It must be quite rare since he never commercially recorded it and
rarely performed it.
It IS definitely Michelangeli playing on the recording, no doubt about
it. This is the common consensus amongst several pianists with whom I
shared the recording.
All the best,
cvxmelody
Mar 7, 2008 12:59 PM
You may download the Michelangeli Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No 1
here:-
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3dy2zn
This is a mono recording (cassette conversion). Place/date unknown.
Listen carefully - it is definitely Michelangeli playing!
Feel free to add this to your list of Michelangeli recordings...
--- end quote

This is a hoax. ABM programmed the Tchaikovsky a few times but
regularly it replaced it with another piece. There is no recorded
performance and there is no broadcast. Similarly, there is no ABM
recording of Beethoven IV, but there is a performance with Maria Tipo
falsely attributed to ABM.

[Miguel Montfort]

Paolo Pesenti wrote:

[...]

Post by Paolo Pesenti

Post by M***@googlemail.com
It IS definitely Michelangeli playing on the recording,
no doubt about it. This is the common consensus amongst
several pianists with whom I shared the recording.

[...]

Post by Paolo Pesenti
This is a hoax. ABM programmed the Tchaikovsky a few times
but regularly it replaced it with another piece. There is
no recorded performance and there is no broadcast.

IIRC, this recording has been circulating quize a long
time and was identified as James Tocco playing ...

Miguel Montfort

[cvx_melody]

Here apparently is the story on the Tocco recording (from a private
message someone sent me):

"1978 or 9 via CBC radio that was advertised as Tchaikovsky #1 with
Michelangeli as soloist with Leif Segerstam conductor in Vienna . I
was told this by a collector who recorded it for me Unfortunately
there was no announcer confirming the soloist and I took it as being
legitimate. I circulated this tape to may piano collectors because the
playing the concerto was worthy of Michelangeli. About 8 years ago a
friend of a friend met Segerstram and asked him about the concert and
he said that Michelangeli cancelled and Tocco replaced him at the last
moment. "

Unfortunately, I haven't heard the Tocco recording so I can't compare
it to the one I have that derives from a mono tape recording (and
which I uploaded for the benefit of Mukudai Yoshiyuki). The date was
marked on the tape but is illegible (might be 1964 but doubtful?).
This was circulated privately in Belgium, but I do not have further
details.

This recording of the Tchaikovsky PC1 was analysed in another online
forum. One person (I won't mention names since I don't have their
permission) who was originally skeptical commented as follows after
listening to it:-

""I can confirm without a doubt that this is Michelangeli. Listen to
the characteristic features of the playing, both of the following
which are unique to Michelangeli: end-weighted phrase elisions;
sequential rolls with shifting placement to the beat. Beyond that the
passagework and dynamic palette align with Michelangeli, as well as
the mix of ascetic realism balanced with poetic sensitivity. The
recorded sound picture is very similar to that of Michelangeli's live
European recordings from the 1960s. I must admit though that it is a
little odd that all my available repertoire lists of Michelangeli of
his recorded and unrecorded repertoire do not list this work. Would be
great to look into details of the location, orchestra, and conductor.
Can anyone shed light on these?"

""I agree upon listening that it either is, or is a pianist at his
level. Unbelievably well played- Sounds very similiar to his Schumann,
Liszt and other concerti from the early period, with flawless voicing-
rather overbright treble. Anyway, it is a great performance of the
piece. It's also with a major orchestra- listen to the brass chording.
"


If somebody (Miguel?) has the Tocco recording, can they do a direct
comparison and confirm either way?

Post by Miguel Montfort
[...]

Post by Paolo Pesenti

Post by M***@googlemail.com
It IS definitely Michelangeli playing on the recording,
no doubt about it. This is the common consensus amongst
several pianists with whom I shared the recording.

[...]

Post by Paolo Pesenti
This is a hoax. ABM programmed the Tchaikovsky a few times
but regularly it replaced it with another piece. There is
no recorded performance and there is no broadcast.

IIRC, this recording has been circulating quize a long
time and was identified as James Tocco playing ...
Miguel Montfort

[Miguel Montfort]

cvx_melody wrote:

[...]

Post by cvx_melody
If somebody (Miguel?) has the Tocco recording, can they
do a direct comparison and confirm either way?

sorry, I don’t own this recording - I listened to
it only once at the home of a Michelangelite who
refused to make copies of the tape in question ...
This has been 12 or 13 years ago.

Another questionable ABM recording would be Debussy’s
»Six epigraphes antiques« - allegedly issued (according
to Messieurs Chin, Melchior & Spano) on tape in China
[Chin Pei CP1153].

Has anyone actually heard (or seen) this release?

Miguel Montfort

[JohnGavin]

[...]

Post by cvx_melody
If somebody (Miguel?) has the Tocco recording, can they
do a direct comparison and confirm either way?

sorry, I don't own this recording - I listened to
it only once at the home of a Michelangelite who
refused to make copies of the tape in question ...
This has been 12 or 13 years ago.
Another questionable ABM recording would be Debussy's

Post by cvx_melody

Six epigraphes antiques<< - allegedly issued (according

to Messieurs Chin, Melchior & Spano) on tape in China
[Chin Pei CP1153].
Has anyone actually heard (or seen) this release?
Miguel Montfort

Don't know about that one, but there is now an early recording
available (1950s, I think) of the Mozart PC #25 along with a concert
recording of Rach PC#4, available from MDT. The only existing Mozart
25 is the unfortunate on on DG with Garben.

[JohnGavin]

[...]

Post by cvx_melody
If somebody (Miguel?) has the Tocco recording, can they
do a direct comparison and confirm either way?

sorry, I don't own this recording - I listened to
it only once at the home of a Michelangelite who
refused to make copies of the tape in question ...
This has been 12 or 13 years ago.
Another questionable ABM recording would be Debussy's

Post by cvx_melody

Six epigraphes antiques<< - allegedly issued (according

to Messieurs Chin, Melchior & Spano) on tape in China
[Chin Pei CP1153].
Has anyone actually heard (or seen) this release?
Miguel Montfort

I remember reading about ABM's scheduled performances of the
Tchaikovsky #1, but it seemed like ALL the performances had been
cancelled or the programs changed. Is there any evidence that he
actually performed it, even once?

[Peter Lemken]

Post by JohnGavin
I remember reading about ABM's scheduled performances of the
Tchaikovsky #1, but it seemed like ALL the performances had been
cancelled or the programs changed. Is there any evidence that he
actually performed it, even once?

Same question with Horowitz' presumably playing the American premiere of
Prokofiev Sonatas 6 and 7. There are program notes, but no reviews ore
recordings. My take is, he never played these two pieces and replaced them
with the 7th sonata.

Peter Lemken
0711

[JohnGavin]

Post by Peter Lemken

Post by JohnGavin
I remember reading about ABM's scheduled performances of the
Tchaikovsky #1, but it seemed like ALL the performances had been
cancelled or the programs changed.  Is there any evidence that he
actually performed it, even once?

Same question with Horowitz' presumably playing the American premiere of
Prokofiev Sonatas 6 and 7. There are program notes, but no reviews ore
recordings. My take is, he never played these two pieces and replaced them
with the 7th sonata.
Peter Lemken
0711
--
Nature abhors crude hacks.

This site gives the complete concert repertoire of Horowitz and the
dates of concert programming. It lists the Sonata #6 as having been
performed on Jan. 31, 1942 followed by "New York premiere". Same with
the Sonata #8 in 1945.

http://web.telia.com/~u85420275/repertoire.htm

[Peter Lemken]

Post by JohnGavin

Post by Peter Lemken
Same question with Horowitz' presumably playing the American premiere of
Prokofiev Sonatas 6 and 7. There are program notes, but no reviews ore
recordings. My take is, he never played these two pieces and replaced them
with the 7th sonata.

This site gives the complete concert repertoire of Horowitz and the
dates of concert programming. It lists the Sonata #6 as having been
performed on Jan. 31, 1942 followed by "New York premiere". Same with
the Sonata #8 in 1945.
http://web.telia.com/~u85420275/repertoire.htm

I know that site, but as I said, I have been unable to find any reference to
the actual concerts in terms of a review. It also strikes me as rather odd
that there is no trace of a recording project for either the 6th or the 8th
sonata, particularly given the historical context. After all, Horowitz was a
world star already then.

Peter Lemken
0711

[D***@aol.com]

Post by Peter Lemken

Post by JohnGavin

Post by Peter Lemken
Same question with Horowitz' presumably playing the American premiere of
Prokofiev Sonatas 6 and 7. There are program notes, but no reviews ore
recordings. My take is, he never played these two pieces and replaced them
with the 7th sonata.

This site gives the complete concert repertoire of Horowitz and the
dates of concert programming. �It lists the Sonata #6 as having been
performed on Jan. 31, 1942 followed by "New York premiere". �Same with
the Sonata #8 in 1945.
http://web.telia.com/~u85420275/repertoire.htm

I know that site, but as I said, I have been unable to find any reference to
the actual concerts in terms of a review. It also strikes me as rather odd
that there is no trace of a recording project for either the 6th or the 8th
sonata, particularly given the historical context. After all, Horowitz was a
world star already then.
Peter Lemken

According to Glenn Plaskin's biography of Horowitz (William Morrow
and Company, 1985), Horowitz did indeed play them. Page 226: "Horowitz
reveled in the technical challenges of Prokofiev's music and was
honored that the composer had asked him to give the American premieres
of his so-called War Sonatas. The Sixth Sonata was heard for the first
time in the United States on January 30, 1942, at Carnegie Hall, the
Seventh on March 14, 1944, and the Eighth on April 23, 1945." I do
think that finding reviews is separate from Plaskin's evidence that
Horowitz did indeed play the premieres. Reviews surely appeared in the
New York City newspapers. Perhaps the Times or the successors of PM,
the Herald-Tribune, and other papers have websites you can search.

Regarding possible recordings by RCA Victor (Horowitz's company), do
remember that the American Federation of Musicians banned all
recording in the USA between the end of June 1942 and November 1944.
Also that Prokofiev's then-musically advanced (for most of the public)
piano sonatas might have seemed to Victor to be excessive commercial
risks that wouldn't sell. In fact, Victor did record the Seventh
Sonata with Horowitz around 1945.

Don Tait

[Peter Lemken]

Post by D***@aol.com
According to Glenn Plaskin's biography of Horowitz (William Morrow
and Company, 1985), Horowitz did indeed play them. Page 226: "Horowitz
reveled in the technical challenges of Prokofiev's music and was
honored that the composer had asked him to give the American premieres
of his so-called War Sonatas. The Sixth Sonata was heard for the first
time in the United States on January 30, 1942, at Carnegie Hall, the
Seventh on March 14, 1944, and the Eighth on April 23, 1945." I do
think that finding reviews is separate from Plaskin's evidence that
Horowitz did indeed play the premieres. Reviews surely appeared in the
New York City newspapers. Perhaps the Times or the successors of PM,
the Herald-Tribune, and other papers have websites you can search.

You are right, Don and I thank you for giving me a hint to something I
should have tried before. The NY Times has this article:

***

HOROWITZ OFFERS PROKOFIEFF EIGHTH; Pianist Plays the Composer's New Sonata
for First Time Here at Carnegie Hall

By OLIN DOWNES

April 24, 1945, Tuesday

Section: Amusements, Page 29, 575 words

The novel feature of Vladimir Horowitz' piano recital last night in Carnegie
Hall was the first public performance in New York of serge Prokofieff's
Eighth Sonata, which is an important and challenging score. And yet, in
the...

***

Whatever my doubts were, they are gone. Why, oh why did they not record
this? Or maybe it's in the New Haven Archive?

The bizarre thing is: The premiere of the 6th sonata was on January 30, 1942
and this recital was recorded and broadcast. Excluding the Prokofiev sonata,
of course:

Radio Broadcast: January 30, 1942: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
(Live)

* Schubert/Tausig: Military March in D-flat major, Op.51 No.1
* Brahms: Waltz in A-flat major, Op.39 No.15
* Horowitz: Carmen Variations

- These are the final work on the program as well as the two
encores from one of Horowitz's Carnegie Hall recitals. They were
broadcast as a birthday greeting to the current president of the
United States, Franklin Roosevelt. Fortunately the broadcast has
survived, and was put on CD by APR a couple of years ago.

Post by D***@aol.com
Regarding possible recordings by RCA Victor (Horowitz's company), do
remember that the American Federation of Musicians banned all
recording in the USA between the end of June 1942 and November 1944.
Also that Prokofiev's then-musically advanced (for most of the public)
piano sonatas might have seemed to Victor to be excessive commercial
risks that wouldn't sell. In fact, Victor did record the Seventh
Sonata with Horowitz around 1945.

There were recordings between June 1942 and November 1944:

April 25, 1943: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York (Live)

* Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor, Op.23
- Arturo Toscanini/NBC Symphony Orchestra

I presume that is the infamous War Bonds performance, so that one might
really have been an exception.

Thanks Don!

Peter Lemken
0711

[Matthew B. Tepper]

Post by Peter Lemken
April 25, 1943: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York (Live)
* Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor, Op.23
- Arturo Toscanini/NBC Symphony Orchestra
I presume that is the infamous War Bonds performance, so that one might
really have been an exception.

Broadcasts were still being recorded throughout the strike, as you can see
from the various Toscanini items recorded during those years which were
issued later. This one was first published on LP, I think in the '60s.

[D***@aol.com]

Post by Matthew B. Tepper

�April 25, 1943: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York (Live)
� � * Tchaikovsky: �Piano Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor, Op.23
� � � � � - Arturo Toscanini/NBC Symphony Orchestra
I presume that is the infamous War Bonds performance, so that one might
really have been an exception.

Broadcasts were still being recorded throughout the strike, as you can see
from the various Toscanini items recorded during those years which were
issued later. �This one was first published on LP, I think in the '60s.

Yes. The American Federation of Musicians -- the union -- forbade
all members to make commercial recordings beginning at the end of
June, 1942. It was a dispute about royalties and applied to recording
sessions for commercial records. This was a concert that was broadcast
by NBC, which routinely recorded the NBC SO broadcasts for reference.
As Matthew wrote, this performance was not issued commercially for at
least 16 years. In 1943 RCA Victor had the 78 set of the work by
Horowitz and Toscanini, made in 1941, in its catalogue. They did not
intend to release this performance commercially at the time.

Don Tait

[Aage Johansen]

Post by Peter Lemken
...
April 25, 1943: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York (Live)
* Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor, Op.23
- Arturo Toscanini/NBC Symphony Orchestra
I presume that is the infamous War Bonds performance, so that one might
really have been an exception.

Why do you say "infamous ... performance"?

[JohnGavin]

Post by Aage Johansen

...
 April 25, 1943: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York (Live)
    * Tchaikovsky:  Piano Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor, Op.23
          - Arturo Toscanini/NBC Symphony Orchestra
I presume that is the infamous War Bonds performance, so that one might
really have been an exception.

Why do you say "infamous ... performance"?
--
Aage J.

Perhaps because the orchestra and soloist are out-of-synch for quite a
sizeable stretch in the slow movement??

[td]

Post by Peter Lemken

Post by JohnGavin
I remember reading about ABM's scheduled performances of the
Tchaikovsky #1, but it seemed like ALL the performances had been
cancelled or the programs changed.  Is there any evidence that he
actually performed it, even once?

Same question with Horowitz' presumably playing the American premiere of
Prokofiev Sonatas 6 and 7. There are program notes, but no reviews ore
recordings. My take is, he never played these two pieces and replaced them
with the 7th sonata.

Who could blame him?

Horowitz always did know whether a piece would "work" with an
audience, or not.

TD

[JohnGavin]

Post by td

Post by Peter Lemken

Post by JohnGavin
I remember reading about ABM's scheduled performances of the
Tchaikovsky #1, but it seemed like ALL the performances had been
cancelled or the programs changed.  Is there any evidence that he
actually performed it, even once?

Same question with Horowitz' presumably playing the American premiere of
Prokofiev Sonatas 6 and 7. There are program notes, but no reviews ore
recordings. My take is, he never played these two pieces and replaced them
with the 7th sonata.

Who could blame him?
Horowitz always did know whether a piece would "work" with an
audience, or not.
TD

Pogorelich made #6 work - the house gave him a thundering standing
ovation (which he deserved).

[td]

Post by JohnGavin

[...]

Post by cvx_melody
If somebody (Miguel?) has the Tocco recording, can they
do a direct comparison and confirm either way?

sorry, I don't own this recording - I listened to
it only once at the home of a Michelangelite who
refused to make copies of the tape in question ...
This has been 12 or 13 years ago.
Another questionable ABM recording would be Debussy's

Post by cvx_melody

Six epigraphes antiques<< - allegedly issued (according

to Messieurs Chin, Melchior & Spano) on tape in China
[Chin Pei CP1153].
Has anyone actually heard (or seen) this release?
Miguel Montfort

I remember reading about ABM's scheduled performances of the
Tchaikovsky #1, but it seemed like ALL the performances had been
cancelled or the programs changed.  Is there any evidence that he
actually performed it, even once?

No.

He couldn't handle the octaves.

TD

[JohnGavin]

Post by td

Post by JohnGavin

[...]

Post by cvx_melody
If somebody (Miguel?) has the Tocco recording, can they
do a direct comparison and confirm either way?

sorry, I don't own this recording - I listened to
it only once at the home of a Michelangelite who
refused to make copies of the tape in question ...
This has been 12 or 13 years ago.
Another questionable ABM recording would be Debussy's

Post by cvx_melody

Six epigraphes antiques<< - allegedly issued (according

to Messieurs Chin, Melchior & Spano) on tape in China
[Chin Pei CP1153].
Has anyone actually heard (or seen) this release?
Miguel Montfort

I remember reading about ABM's scheduled performances of the
Tchaikovsky #1, but it seemed like ALL the performances had been
cancelled or the programs changed.  Is there any evidence that he
actually performed it, even once?

No.
He couldn't handle the octaves.
TD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Just in case you're serious, I refer you to ABM's recording of live
performances of the Liszt PC #1 and Totentanz to hear how he handled
octaves. It makes your hair stand on end.

[Peter Lemken]

Post by JohnGavin
Just in case you're serious, I refer you to ABM's recording of live
performances of the Liszt PC #1 and Totentanz to hear how he handled
octaves. It makes your hair stand on end.

Are you aware of who you are talking to?

Peter Lemken
0711

[Neil]

On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:13:59 -0800 (PST), cvx_melody

Post by cvx_melody
If somebody (Miguel?) has the Tocco recording, can they do a direct
comparison and confirm either way?

Sounds like a lot of Joyce Hatto to me ...

[cvx_melody]

Maybe so, there is no deliberate deception at work here, furthermore,
I was surprised to find my link posted publicly (although I'm sure
Mukudai Yoshiyuki's had the best of intentions and I suppose it's
probably just as well). But seeing as it's now "out there", I'd
recommend you to check out the performance, which is superb in its own
right.

Here's the link again:-
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3dy2zn

And I've been promised a CD copy of the Tocco. When it arrives, I'll
compare it to the one I have and report back.

Post by Neil
On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:13:59 -0800 (PST), cvx_melody

Post by cvx_melody
If somebody (Miguel?) has the Tocco recording, can they do a direct
comparison and confirm either way?

Sounds like a lot of Joyce Hatto to me ...

[M***@googlemail.com]

Post by Paolo Pesenti
This is a hoax. ABM programmed the Tchaikovsky a few times but
regularly it replaced it with another piece. There is no recorded
performance and there is no broadcast. Similarly, there is no ABM
recording of Beethoven IV, but there is a performance with Maria Tipo
falsely attributed to ABM.- Hide quoted text -

Firstly, for Peter,

My point was that I am being tired of making finest discography or of
its kind so that
I wished to tell you Usenet subscribers that anyone who is interested
in making ABM's
finest discography is welcome to use information provided on my
version. I feel sorry
my last note sounded offensive to you.



For the Tchaikovsky I am following Paolo's opinion, however, I don't
agree with his
or currently officialised opinion on that Opus 58 recording.

I can confirm that Ms Maria Tipo played Scarlatti exquisitely (VOX -
those recordings
require more attention), however, I am sure without slightest doubt
that no one but
Arturo Benedetti-Michelangeli could reveal structural concepts of Opus
58 by going into
such a detail in a perfect harmony with orchestra. I can show you with
examples if needed.

My conclusion is that that recording is definitely played by
Michelangeli though the
recording data could have been falsified.

In case that there're other evidences that Ms Maria Tipo has played
Beethoven Opus 58
concerto in that way, I'd be more than happy to beg her pardon
officially.

Best regards,
Mukudai Yoshiyuki

[M***@googlemail.com]

Post by Paolo Pesenti
This is a hoax. ABM programmed the Tchaikovsky a few times but
regularly it replaced it with another piece. There is no recorded
performance and there is no broadcast. Similarly, there is no ABM
recording of Beethoven IV, but there is a performance with Maria Tipo
falsely attributed to ABM.- Hide quoted text -

Firstly, for Peter,

My point was that I am being tired of making finest discography or of
its kind so that I wished to tell you Usenet subscribers that anyone
who is interested in making ABM's finest discography is welcome to use
information provided on my version. I feel sorry my last note sounded
offensive to you.

For the Tchaikovsky I am following Paolo's opinion, however, I don't
agree with his or currently officialized opinion on that Opus 58
recording.

I can confirm that Ms Maria Tipo played Scarlatti exquisitely (VOX -
those recordings require more attention), however, I am sure without
slightest doubt that no one but Arturo Benedetti-Michelangeli could
reveal structural concepts of Opus 58 by going into such a detail in a
perfect harmony with orchestra. I can show you with examples if
needed.

My conclusion is that that recording is definately played by
Michelangeli though the recording data could have been falsified.

In case that there're other evidences that Ms Maria Tipo has played
Beethoven Opus 58 concerto in that way, I'd be more than happy to beg
her pardon officially.

Best regards,
Mukudai Yoshiyuki

[M***@googlemail.com]

Post by Paolo Pesenti
This is a hoax. ABM programmed the Tchaikovsky a few times but
regularly it replaced it with another piece. There is no recorded
performance and there is no broadcast. Similarly, there is no ABM
recording of Beethoven IV, but there is a performance with Maria Tipo
falsely attributed to ABM.- Hide quoted text -

Firstly, for Peter,

My point was that I am being tired of making finest discography or of
its kind so that I wished to tell you Usenet subscribers that anyone
who is interested in making ABM's finest discography is welcome to use
information provided on my version. I feel sorry my last note sounded
offensive to you.

For the Tchaikovsky I am following Paolo's opinion, however, I don't
agree with his or currently officialized opinion on that Opus 58
recording.

I can confirm that Ms Maria Tipo played Scarlatti exquisitely (VOX -
those recordings require more attention), however, I am sure without
slightest doubt that no one but Arturo Benedetti-Michelangeli could
reveal structural concepts of Opus 58 by going into such a detail in a
perfect harmony with orchestra. I can show you with examples if
needed.

My conclusion is that that recording is definitely played by
Michelangeli though the recording data could have been falsified.

In case that there're other evidences that Ms Maria Tipo has played
Beethoven Opus 58 concerto in that way, I'd be more than happy to beg
her pardon officially.

Best regards,
Mukudai Yoshiyuki

[Paolo Pesenti]

Post by M***@googlemail.com
My conclusion is that that recording is definitely played by
Michelangeli though the recording data could have been falsified.
In case that there're other evidences that Ms Maria Tipo has played
Beethoven Opus 58 concerto in that way, I'd be more than happy to beg
her pardon officially.

In the big mess of ABM's discography there are few certainties, but
everything we know leads to rejecting the attribution of Beethoven IV.
We know that the performance (issued on cd by Exclusive and Legend)
was taped in Belgrade on October 7 1973 and the conductor was Zivojin
Zdravkovic. Now, during that period ABM was not present in Belgrade
(his wife is on record on this). The only time ABM played in
Yugoslavia was in 1971. There are no other ABM recordings of the
Beethoven IV, and there is no evidence that he ever performed the
concerto in public. However, there is evidence that Maria Tipo -
incidentally, a wonderful and underrated pianist - played the
Beethoven IV on that date in the capital of the former Yugoslavia.
Having said that, it is a terrific performance regardless of who was
the actual pianist.