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Complete Rodzinski Columbia Album Collection
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Mark Obert-Thorn
2020-09-25 13:36:26 UTC
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Here's something interesting that just turned up on ImportCDs' website -- a 16-disc box from Sony devoted to Rodzinski:

https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526

I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.

Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.

Mark O-T
Frank Berger
2020-09-25 15:23:33 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
In case anyone was wondering (I was), the Scribendum
Rodzinski box contains exactly one NYPO recording, lifted
from the GPOC set (Rachmaninov 2nd symphony). Most are with
the RPO. So little overlap. Most of the Rodzinski NYPO
recordings are on labels like AS Disc, Dante, Lys, Iron
Needle and the like, so hopefully the sound will be improved.
RiRiIII
2020-09-25 15:41:32 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
John Fowler
2020-09-25 21:44:47 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
Rodzinski's New York recordings were all for Columbia, but his Chicago recordings were for RCA. Not sure about his Cleveland recordings.
Steven Reveyoso
2020-09-25 21:56:09 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
Rodzinski's New York recordings were all for Columbia, but his Chicago recordings were for RCA. Not sure about his Cleveland recordings.
The Cleveland recordings also were recorded for Columbia.
Al Eisner
2020-09-27 00:20:59 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
Link from what to what?
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Al Eisner
Frank Berger
2020-09-27 01:34:58 UTC
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On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 4:36:30 PM UTC+3, Mark
Post by Mark Obert-Thorn
Here's something interesting that just turned up on
ImportCDs' website -- a 16-disc box from Sony devoted to
https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his
New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland,
Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but
we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only
available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does
not list a release date for it, although it has a page
there.  Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box,
they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
Link from what to what?
You don't really need to be so critical, do you? How about
a link from past to the present?
Al Eisner
2020-09-27 18:58:47 UTC
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Post by Mark Obert-Thorn
Here's something interesting that just turned up on ImportCDs' website --
https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York
Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA
Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an
import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it,
although it has a page there.  Between this and the recent Reiner
Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
Link from what to what?
You don't really need to be so critical, do you? How about a link from past
to the present?
It was a question, meant seriously, not a criticism. Your suggested
answer is too vague to be helpful, and hardly justifies the words
"only missing". Response, however, is entirely optional - no more than\
a little curiosity.
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Al Eisner
Frank Berger
2020-09-27 19:16:29 UTC
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On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 4:36:30 PM UTC+3, Mark
Post by Mark Obert-Thorn
Here's something interesting that just turned up on
ImportCDs' website -- a 16-disc box from Sony devoted
https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his
New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland,
Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but
we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's
only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon
DE does not list a release date for it, although it has
a page there.  Between this and the recent Reiner
Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the
end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
Link from what to what?
You don't really need to be so critical, do you?  How
about a link from past to the present?
It was a question, meant seriously, not a criticism.  Your
suggested
answer is too vague to be helpful, and hardly justifies the
words
"only missing".  Response, however, is entirely optional -
no more than\
a little curiosity.
The fact is that the phrase "only missing link" in this
context can have no sensible meaning. The expression was
misused. However, I immediately took the intent to be that
the only remaining historical release that we need or want
is Mitropoulos. Even that would be an exaggeration, no
doubt, but so what?
RiRiIII
2020-09-29 17:21:42 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
Link from what to what?
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Al Eisner
I meant the link within the NYPO Columbia recordings by its music directors: Toscanini-Barbirolli-Rodzinski-Barbirolli-Mitropoulos-Bernstein-Boulez-Mehta

Alex
Frank Berger
2020-09-29 17:27:49 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
Link from what to what?
--
Al Eisner
I meant the link within the NYPO Columbia recordings by its music directors: Toscanini-Barbirolli-Rodzinski-Barbirolli-Mitropoulos-Bernstein-Boulez-Mehta
Alex
Good answer. I withdraw my comment that it could make no
sense.
Mark Obert-Thorn
2020-09-30 14:01:33 UTC
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The ImportCDs page for this has been updated with a cover picture and more details about the release. As I had heard, it will only cover Rodzinski's New York Philharmonic recordings:

https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow

It's also now listed on Amazon US, but at its $100 list price:

https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1

Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both list it as an import.

Mark O-T
JohnA
2020-09-30 15:13:01 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both list it as an import.
Mark O-T
Now shown on the Barnes & Noble site, same price, same release date:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/complete-columbia-album-collection/35501205?ean=0194397877526
Frank Berger
2020-09-30 17:54:53 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both list it as an import.
Mark O-T
I wish the Cleveland recordings had been included. Dante
Lys had a 10 volume set transferred from 78s that was mostly
Cleveland recordings that would be nice to hear in improved
sound.
Frank Berger
2020-09-30 19:02:32 UTC
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The ImportCDs page for this has been updated with a cover
picture and more details about the release.  As I had
heard, it will only cover Rodzinski's New York
https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
It's also now listed on Amazon US, but at its $100 list
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both
list it as an import.
Mark O-T
I wish the Cleveland recordings had been included.  Dante
Lys had a 10 volume set transferred from 78s that was mostly
Cleveland recordings that would be nice to hear in improved
sound.
St. Laurent has 53 (!) volumes of Rodzinski. I don't know
how comprehensive that is, but at $18 each, it's way too
much to own all of it.
drh8h
2020-09-30 19:37:01 UTC
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Post by Mark Obert-Thorn
The ImportCDs page for this has been updated with a cover
picture and more details about the release.  As I had
heard, it will only cover Rodzinski's New York
https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
It's also now listed on Amazon US, but at its $100 list
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both
list it as an import.
Mark O-T
I wish the Cleveland recordings had been included.  Dante
Lys had a 10 volume set transferred from 78s that was mostly
Cleveland recordings that would be nice to hear in improved
sound.
St. Laurent has 53 (!) volumes of Rodzinski. I don't know
how comprehensive that is, but at $18 each, it's way too
much to own all of it.
Many of them transcriptions from NYP, Chicago, and NBC SO broadcasts provided by the conductor's son. Really a treasure trove for Rodzinski lovers. I am not quite in that category, but do have a number of them.

DH
Frank Berger
2020-09-30 20:32:38 UTC
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The ImportCDs page for this has been updated with a cover
picture and more details about the release.  As I had
heard, it will only cover Rodzinski's New York
https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
It's also now listed on Amazon US, but at its $100 list
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both
list it as an import.
Mark O-T
I wish the Cleveland recordings had been included.  Dante
Lys had a 10 volume set transferred from 78s that was mostly
Cleveland recordings that would be nice to hear in improved
sound.
St. Laurent has 53 (!) volumes of Rodzinski. I don't know
how comprehensive that is, but at $18 each, it's way too
much to own all of it.
Many of them transcriptions from NYP, Chicago, and NBC SO broadcasts provided by the conductor's son. Really a treasure trove for Rodzinski lovers. I am not quite in that category, but do have a number of them.
DH
It would be nice if they repackaged the recordings into an
integral Cleveland set. Seems like that would be in their
own interest given the forthcoming "commercial" NYPO set. I
will suggest it to them. Couldn't hurt.
Invocation
2020-09-30 21:10:10 UTC
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Post by Mark Obert-Thorn
The ImportCDs page for this has been updated with a cover
picture and more details about the release.  As I had
heard, it will only cover Rodzinski's New York
https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
It's also now listed on Amazon US, but at its $100 list
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both
list it as an import.
Mark O-T
I wish the Cleveland recordings had been included.  Dante
Lys had a 10 volume set transferred from 78s that was mostly
Cleveland recordings that would be nice to hear in improved
sound.
St. Laurent has 53 (!) volumes of Rodzinski. I don't know
how comprehensive that is, but at $18 each, it's way too
much to own all of it.
I think Scribendum has a boxset of Rodzinski. Not sure how complete it is.
drh8h
2020-09-30 23:09:08 UTC
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The ImportCDs page for this has been updated with a cover
picture and more details about the release.  As I had
heard, it will only cover Rodzinski's New York
https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
It's also now listed on Amazon US, but at its $100 list
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both
list it as an import.
Mark O-T
I wish the Cleveland recordings had been included.  Dante
Lys had a 10 volume set transferred from 78s that was mostly
Cleveland recordings that would be nice to hear in improved
sound.
St. Laurent has 53 (!) volumes of Rodzinski. I don't know
how comprehensive that is, but at $18 each, it's way too
much to own all of it.
I think Scribendum has a boxset of Rodzinski. Not sure how complete it is.
It only has the Rach 2, not in the superior transfer of the NYP set from the Columbias. The Scribendum is otherwise EMI and Westminster recordings. I thought the transfers sounded quite good and there were a number of first-on-CD issues.

DH
drh8h
2020-09-30 19:42:18 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both list it as an import.
Mark O-T
Really annoying for those many of us who have a number of these remasterings in the NYP and various pianist boxes. What really is in dire need of new mastering is the Walküre Act 3, which was not remastered for the NYP box and shows it. Time for a first-rate transfer of that historic recording! The chunk from Act ! with Traubel and Darcy will be welcome, but not as important. In fact, some people find Darcy's contribution awful and Traubel had picked about 4 more years of wear and tear since the broadcast of the same scene under Toscanini.

DH

Dennis
drh8h
2020-09-30 19:43:32 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both list it as an import.
Mark O-T
Really annoying for those many of us who have a number of these remasterings in the NYP and various pianist boxes. What really is in dire need of new mastering is the Walküre Act 3, which was not remastered for the NYP box and shows it. Time for a first-rate transfer of that historic recording! The chunk from Act 1 with Traubel and Darcy will be welcome, but not as important. In fact, some people find Darcy's contribution awful and Traubel had picked about 4 more years of wear and tear since the broadcast of the same scene under Toscanini.

DH
Frank Berger
2020-09-30 20:51:01 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both list it as an import.
Mark O-T
Really annoying for those many of us who have a number of these remasterings in the NYP and various pianist boxes. What really is in dire need of new mastering is the Walküre Act 3, which was not remastered for the NYP box and shows it. Time for a first-rate transfer of that historic recording! The chunk from Act 1 with Traubel and Darcy will be welcome, but not as important. In fact, some people find Darcy's contribution awful and Traubel had picked about 4 more years of wear and tear since the broadcast of the same scene under Toscanini.
DH
There is a fellow on Talkclassicsal who back in 2011
discussed his own transfer from a Columbia LP. He says this
was superior to the 78s made during the war which were
inferior in sound due to changed wartime production.

https://www.talkclassical.com/20567-wagner-die-walkure-act.html
drh8h
2020-09-30 23:06:42 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526?rel=nofollow
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rodzinski+columbia&qid=1601474383&s=music&sr=1-1
Both sites show a release date of October 9th, and both list it as an import.
Mark O-T
Really annoying for those many of us who have a number of these remasterings in the NYP and various pianist boxes. What really is in dire need of new mastering is the Walküre Act 3, which was not remastered for the NYP box and shows it. Time for a first-rate transfer of that historic recording! The chunk from Act 1 with Traubel and Darcy will be welcome, but not as important. In fact, some people find Darcy's contribution awful and Traubel had picked about 4 more years of wear and tear since the broadcast of the same scene under Toscanini.
DH
There is a fellow on Talkclassicsal who back in 2011
discussed his own transfer from a Columbia LP. He says this
was superior to the 78s made during the war which were
inferior in sound due to changed wartime production.
https://www.talkclassical.com/20567-wagner-die-walkure-act.html
I am familiar with that transfer, and IMO it is better than either of the official CD versions I have heard. I have to think they will have redone it. An old transfer of the Walter Dvorak 8 from the 40s was recycled in the NYP set, but the Walter box had a new version, far superior in sound.

DH
Al Eisner
2020-10-01 05:39:04 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
Now, the only missing link is the Mitropoulos Columbia Box.
Link from what to what?
--
Al Eisner
I meant the link within the NYPO Columbia recordings by its music directors: Toscanini-Barbirolli-Rodzinski-Barbirolli-Mitropoulos-Bernstein-Boulez-Mehta
Alex
Thanks.
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Invocation
2020-09-25 22:49:57 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
And the Szigeti box will be released in Dec. I suppose that will wrap up the whole year of reissues for Sony.
drh8h
2020-09-25 22:50:52 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
I don't see it on any other site so I think maybe it is farther out in the future. A number of NYP recordings have shown up already in various boxes, NYP, Casadesus, Levant, Sandor and perhaps others, so some of the transfers are readily available and presumably paid for themselves. Depending on how the discs are coupled, 16 seems a lot for just the NYP records. He was only there a few years, and the big recording strike occurred at the beginning of his tenure. Additional "big pieces" included the Brahms 1 & 2, Prokofiev 5, Rach 2, Pathetique, Sibelius 4, Bizet Sym, Gould and Copland works, Siegfried Idyll, even some Wagner with Traubel and others I have forgotten. And you provided excellent transfers of all the Chicagos on just two discs.

DH
John Fowler
2020-09-26 10:42:12 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
I don't see it on any other site so I think maybe it is farther out in the future. A number of NYP recordings have shown up already in various boxes, NYP, Casadesus, Levant, Sandor and perhaps others, so some of the transfers are readily available and presumably paid for themselves. Depending on how the discs are coupled, 16 seems a lot for just the NYP records. He was only there a few years, and the big recording strike occurred at the beginning of his tenure. Additional "big pieces" included the Brahms 1 & 2, Prokofiev 5, Rach 2, Pathetique, Sibelius 4, Bizet Sym, Gould and Copland works, Siegfried Idyll, even some Wagner with Traubel and others I have forgotten. And you provided excellent transfers of all the Chicagos on just two discs.
DH
Artur Rodzinski and Otto Klemperer may have been the two most successful conductors of the Twentieth Century who were also mentally ill.
Not just eccentric.
(love them both).
Frank Berger
2020-09-26 12:28:50 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
I don't see it on any other site so I think maybe it is farther out in the future. A number of NYP recordings have shown up already in various boxes, NYP, Casadesus, Levant, Sandor and perhaps others, so some of the transfers are readily available and presumably paid for themselves. Depending on how the discs are coupled, 16 seems a lot for just the NYP records. He was only there a few years, and the big recording strike occurred at the beginning of his tenure. Additional "big pieces" included the Brahms 1 & 2, Prokofiev 5, Rach 2, Pathetique, Sibelius 4, Bizet Sym, Gould and Copland works, Siegfried Idyll, even some Wagner with Traubel and others I have forgotten. And you provided excellent transfers of all the Chicagos on just two discs.
DH
Well, if the Cleveland recordings were from Columbia and the
title of the release includes "Complete Columbia
Recordings," then.............
Hank Drake
2020-09-26 16:24:02 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
I don't see it on any other site so I think maybe it is farther out in the future. A number of NYP recordings have shown up already in various boxes, NYP, Casadesus, Levant, Sandor and perhaps others, so some of the transfers are readily available and presumably paid for themselves. Depending on how the discs are coupled, 16 seems a lot for just the NYP records. He was only there a few years, and the big recording strike occurred at the beginning of his tenure. Additional "big pieces" included the Brahms 1 & 2, Prokofiev 5, Rach 2, Pathetique, Sibelius 4, Bizet Sym, Gould and Copland works, Siegfried Idyll, even some Wagner with Traubel and others I have forgotten. And you provided excellent transfers of all the Chicagos on just two discs.
DH
Well, if the Cleveland recordings were from Columbia and the
title of the release includes "Complete Columbia
Recordings," then.............
I sincerely hope that or some future set includes the Cleveland recordings, many of which I have in 20 year old transfers. Rodzinski's decade with the Cleveland Orchestra was fairly trailblazing - he premiered Shostakovich's Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District here, and his recordings include very fine performances of that composer's First and Fifth Symphonies as well as Berg's Violin Concerto along with a healthy dose of standard repertoire. They bring the lie to the notion that Cleveland had some second rate orchestra until Szell came along - although the orchestra Szell inherited from Leinsdorf was far diminished from what it had been under Rodzinski.

Hank
Russ (not Martha)
2020-10-01 17:17:42 UTC
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On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 5:50:56 PM UTC-5, drh8h wrote:

Additional "big pieces" [with the New York Phil] included the Brahms 1 & 2, Prokofiev 5, Rach 2, Pathetique, Sibelius 4, Bizet Sym, Gould and Copland works, Siegfried Idyll, even some Wagner with Traubel and others I have forgotten. [end]

Speaking of Prokofiev 5, Rodzinski and Koussevitzky AFAIK were the only conductors who began the reprise of the scherzo movement at the original allegro marcato tempo, instead of slowly accelerating to the original fast tempo. So much more effective that way, despite what the score indicates. I wish more conductors did it that way.

Russ (not Martha)
John Fowler
2020-10-09 12:39:45 UTC
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Additional "big pieces" [with the New York Phil] included the Brahms 1 & 2, Prokofiev 5, Rach 2, Pathetique, Sibelius 4, Bizet Sym, Gould and Copland works, Siegfried Idyll, even some Wagner with Traubel and others I have forgotten. [end]
Speaking of Prokofiev 5, Rodzinski and Koussevitzky AFAIK were the only conductors who began the reprise of the scherzo movement at the original allegro marcato tempo, instead of slowly accelerating to the original fast tempo. So much more effective that way, despite what the score indicates. I wish more conductors did it that way.
Russ (not Martha)
US Amazon had been listing the Rodzinski box to be released Oct 9, but on first day of scheduled release it is marked "out of stock"
Also way too expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
Frank Berger
2020-10-09 13:10:51 UTC
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Additional "big pieces" [with the New York Phil] included the Brahms 1 & 2, Prokofiev 5, Rach 2, Pathetique, Sibelius 4, Bizet Sym, Gould and Copland works, Siegfried Idyll, even some Wagner with Traubel and others I have forgotten. [end]
Speaking of Prokofiev 5, Rodzinski and Koussevitzky AFAIK were the only conductors who began the reprise of the scherzo movement at the original allegro marcato tempo, instead of slowly accelerating to the original fast tempo. So much more effective that way, despite what the score indicates. I wish more conductors did it that way.
Russ (not Martha)
US Amazon had been listing the Rodzinski box to be released Oct 9, but on first day of scheduled release it is marked "out of stock"
Also way too expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
It's not unusual for a release that's a little past due to
be shown as "out of stock." Without inside information
there's no way to know how delayed it will be. None of the
places listing it have detailed track information and more
worrisome is that it isn't even mentioned at Sony
Classical's web site. I have one on order from ImportCDs.
$71.39 including shipping and tax.
msw design
2020-10-10 00:18:21 UTC
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It's not listed anywhere else- OK, import CDs, but the point is it doesn't appear to be on the market anywhere yet. Or with a firm release date.
drh8h
2020-10-10 13:04:33 UTC
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It's not listed anywhere else- OK, import CDs, but the point is it doesn't appear to be on the market anywhere yet. Or with a firm release date.
Somebody at Sony probably jumped the gun. They usually announce these sets well in advance, like the Szigeti. Maybe in a few months.

DH
Mark Obert-Thorn
2020-10-14 14:02:47 UTC
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Somebody at Sony probably jumped the gun. They usually announce these sets well in advance, like the Szigeti. Maybe in a few months.
Release date has now been updated to 10/23 on the ImportCDs site. No new word yet from Amazon.

MO-T
Mark Obert-Thorn
2020-10-14 14:04:21 UTC
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Somebody at Sony probably jumped the gun. They usually announce these sets well in advance, like the Szigeti. Maybe in a few months.
Release date has now been updated to 10/23 on the ImportCDs site. No new word from Amazon.

Mark O-T
Frank Berger
2020-10-14 14:20:42 UTC
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Somebody at Sony probably jumped the gun. They usually announce these sets well in advance, like the Szigeti. Maybe in a few months.
Release date has now been updated to 10/23 on the ImportCDs site. No new word from Amazon.
Mark O-T
And not a word at sonyclassical.com.
LarryLap
2020-10-15 18:18:12 UTC
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Somebody at Sony probably jumped the gun. They usually announce these sets well in advance, like the Szigeti. Maybe in a few months.
Release date has now been updated to 10/23 on the ImportCDs site. No new word from Amazon.
Mark O-T
And not a word at sonyclassical.com.
This discussion has gotten me to dig into my Scribendum set of Rodzinski work, primarily with British orchestras, and the rewards have been great. Everything I have listened to is distinguished by its warmth, sincerity and discipline - qualities that usually do not appear in conjunction with one another. Compared with Rodzinski, Karajan's Tchaikovsky is characterless, Szell's Dvorak (sorry!) is cool and shallow, and Leinsdorf's Beethoven technocratic. I am looking forward to receiving the Sony set. I encourage everyone to revisit Rodzinski's recording of Scheherazade which has been uploaded to our server in more than one remastering.
fomalhaut
2020-10-16 08:43:33 UTC
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Somebody at Sony probably jumped the gun. They usually announce these sets well in advance, like the Szigeti. Maybe in a few months.
Release date has now been updated to 10/23 on the ImportCDs site. No new word from Amazon.
Mark O-T
And not a word at sonyclassical.com.
This discussion has gotten me to dig into my Scribendum set of Rodzinski work, primarily with British orchestras, and the rewards have been great. Everything I have listened to is distinguished by its warmth, sincerity and discipline - qualities that usually do not appear in conjunction with one another. Compared with Rodzinski, Karajan's Tchaikovsky is characterless, Szell's Dvorak (sorry!) is cool and shallow, and Leinsdorf's Beethoven technocratic. I am looking forward to receiving the Sony set. I encourage everyone to revisit Rodzinski's recording of Scheherazade which has been uploaded to our server in more than one remastering.
It is posted in Amazon France without details :
https://www.amazon.fr/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection-USA/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Rodzinski&qid=1602837641&s=music&sr=1-1

fomalhaut
drh8h
2020-10-16 12:43:14 UTC
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Somebody at Sony probably jumped the gun. They usually announce these sets well in advance, like the Szigeti. Maybe in a few months.
Release date has now been updated to 10/23 on the ImportCDs site. No new word from Amazon.
Mark O-T
And not a word at sonyclassical.com.
This discussion has gotten me to dig into my Scribendum set of Rodzinski work, primarily with British orchestras, and the rewards have been great. Everything I have listened to is distinguished by its warmth, sincerity and discipline - qualities that usually do not appear in conjunction with one another. Compared with Rodzinski, Karajan's Tchaikovsky is characterless, Szell's Dvorak (sorry!) is cool and shallow, and Leinsdorf's Beethoven technocratic. I am looking forward to receiving the Sony set. I encourage everyone to revisit Rodzinski's recording of Scheherazade which has been uploaded to our server in more than one remastering.
https://www.amazon.fr/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection-USA/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Rodzinski&qid=1602837641&s=music&sr=1-1
fomalhaut
Amazon U.S. briefly sent out an expected release date, then withdrew it. I would not be surprised if it doesn't come out this year. The Szigeti box, announced during the summer, is pushed back to January 15 now.

DH
drh8h
2020-10-16 12:51:32 UTC
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Post by drh8h
Somebody at Sony probably jumped the gun. They usually announce these sets well in advance, like the Szigeti. Maybe in a few months.
Release date has now been updated to 10/23 on the ImportCDs site. No new word from Amazon.
Mark O-T
And not a word at sonyclassical.com.
This discussion has gotten me to dig into my Scribendum set of Rodzinski work, primarily with British orchestras, and the rewards have been great. Everything I have listened to is distinguished by its warmth, sincerity and discipline - qualities that usually do not appear in conjunction with one another. Compared with Rodzinski, Karajan's Tchaikovsky is characterless, Szell's Dvorak (sorry!) is cool and shallow, and Leinsdorf's Beethoven technocratic. I am looking forward to receiving the Sony set. I encourage everyone to revisit Rodzinski's recording of Scheherazade which has been uploaded to our server in more than one remastering.
https://www.amazon.fr/Complete-Columbia-Album-Collection-USA/dp/B08JV9JWTZ/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Rodzinski&qid=1602837641&s=music&sr=1-1
fomalhaut
Amazon U.S. briefly sent out an expected delivery date, then withdrew it. Now they are claiming an Oct 23 release date, but usually a release is preceded by a full mock up showing individual covers for the cds and none on display. I would not be surprised if it doesn't come out this year. The Szigeti box, announced during the summer, is pushed back to January 15 now.

DH
Mark Obert-Thorn
2020-10-23 12:51:08 UTC
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Amazon U.S. briefly sent out an expected delivery date, then withdrew it. Now they are claiming an Oct 23 release date, but usually a release is preceded by a full mock up showing individual covers for the cds and none on display. I would not be surprised if it doesn't come out this year. The Szigeti box, announced during the summer, is pushed back to January 15 now.
Release date missed again, with ImportCDs showing "Back Order" and Amazon saying "Currently Unavailable".

MO-T
Frank Berger
2020-10-23 14:34:07 UTC
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Amazon U.S. briefly sent out an expected delivery date, then withdrew it. Now they are claiming an Oct 23 release date, but usually a release is preceded by a full mock up showing individual covers for the cds and none on display. I would not be surprised if it doesn't come out this year. The Szigeti box, announced during the summer, is pushed back to January 15 now.
Release date missed again, with ImportCDs showing "Back Order" and Amazon saying "Currently Unavailable".
MO-T
Where I used to work, missing deadlines was one of the worst
things you could do. Because it's so public, it's
embarrassing to the organization, let alone to yourself,
your boss and your boss's boss. If you publish incorrect
information, it's possible no one will ever find out (you
can always "revise" it). Missing a deadline is irrevocable.
Apparently it's different for record companies.
Frank Berger
2020-10-23 14:35:12 UTC
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Amazon U.S. briefly sent out an expected delivery date, then withdrew it. Now they are claiming an Oct 23 release date, but usually a release is preceded by a full mock up showing individual covers for the cds and none on display. I would not be surprised if it doesn't come out this year. The Szigeti box, announced during the summer, is pushed back to January 15 now.
Release date missed again, with ImportCDs showing "Back Order" and Amazon saying "Currently Unavailable".
MO-T
I made the mistake (again) of paying ImportCDs with PayPal,
so I've already paid for the missing Rodzinski.
Néstor Castiglione
2020-10-24 22:02:31 UTC
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Amazon U.S. briefly sent out an expected delivery date, then withdrew it. Now they are claiming an Oct 23 release date, but usually a release is preceded by a full mock up showing individual covers for the cds and none on display. I would not be surprised if it doesn't come out this year. The Szigeti box, announced during the summer, is pushed back to January 15 now.
Release date missed again, with ImportCDs showing "Back Order" and Amazon saying "Currently Unavailable".
MO-T
Hoping that this means that Sony may be retooling the set to include Rodzinski's Cleveland recordings. If they're going through the trouble of reissuing his NYPO recordings, then why not also give us the 5 CDs worth or so comprising his material from Cleveland?
Frank Berger
2020-10-25 02:51:15 UTC
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Amazon U.S. briefly sent out an expected delivery date, then withdrew it. Now they are claiming an Oct 23 release date, but usually a release is preceded by a full mock up showing individual covers for the cds and none on display. I would not be surprised if it doesn't come out this year. The Szigeti box, announced during the summer, is pushed back to January 15 now.
Release date missed again, with ImportCDs showing "Back Order" and Amazon saying "Currently Unavailable".
MO-T
Hoping that this means that Sony may be retooling the set to include Rodzinski's Cleveland recordings. If they're going through the trouble of reissuing his NYPO recordings, then why not also give us the 5 CDs worth or so comprising his material from Cleveland?
Discussion at Sony meeting:

Flunky: "But boss, we would have to redesign the artwork
and adverting that says NYPO recordings."

Boss: "Oh. Never mind, then."

or

Boss: Leave the artwork and advertising alone. Our
customers are morons and won't notice."
drh8h
2020-10-25 15:35:56 UTC
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Amazon U.S. briefly sent out an expected delivery date, then withdrew it. Now they are claiming an Oct 23 release date, but usually a release is preceded by a full mock up showing individual covers for the cds and none on display. I would not be surprised if it doesn't come out this year. The Szigeti box, announced during the summer, is pushed back to January 15 now.
Release date missed again, with ImportCDs showing "Back Order" and Amazon saying "Currently Unavailable".
MO-T
Hoping that this means that Sony may be retooling the set to include Rodzinski's Cleveland recordings. If they're going through the trouble of reissuing his NYPO recordings, then why not also give us the 5 CDs worth or so comprising his material from Cleveland?
Flunky: "But boss, we would have to redesign the artwork
and adverting that says NYPO recordings."
Boss: "Oh. Never mind, then."
or
Boss: Leave the artwork and advertising alone. Our
customers are morons and won't notice."
None of the above. I think it was announced too soon. Where is the mock up with samples of the individual discs? Even the Szigeti issue on JPC, due in January, does not show anything but the box cover. I would not be surprised if it isn't available until next year and no Cleveland. This seems to be a sequel to Barbirolli/NYP. Maybe they are saving Ohio for later or it technically more challenging. I have read at least some of the Clevelands such as Tchaikovsky 5, were made before Columbia started making lacquer masters for copying.

DH
Jerry
2020-10-25 16:54:41 UTC
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My apologies if this has already been mentioned regarding Rodzinski's studio recordings.

A 3-page list compiled my Michael Gray is included in Halina Rodzinski's book, "Our Two Lives,'
organized without details by his work for U.S. Columbia (Cleveland, New York, Columbia
Symphony), RCA (Chicago), Remington (was that the famous Conductor X recording?),
Westminster, EMI, plus two NBC S.O. (Tchaikovsky 4th and Franck Symphony) issued
anonymously by World's Greatest Music Records.

As far as I can tell, the complete EMI recordings have already appeared on CD in
EMI's Artist Profile series comprising all three HMV LPs ASD 270, 281, and 288.
It's also possible that the CD might be the first appearance of Albeniz's Triana.
I can't be sure, but that CD track isn't listed in Discog's database for ASD 281.

Jerry
Frank Berger
2020-10-25 17:29:36 UTC
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My apologies if this has already been mentioned regarding Rodzinski's studio recordings.
A 3-page list compiled my Michael Gray is included in Halina Rodzinski's book, "Our Two Lives,'
organized without details by his work for U.S. Columbia (Cleveland, New York, Columbia
Symphony), RCA (Chicago), Remington (was that the famous Conductor X recording?),
Westminster, EMI, plus two NBC S.O. (Tchaikovsky 4th and Franck Symphony) issued
anonymously by World's Greatest Music Records.
As far as I can tell, the complete EMI recordings have already appeared on CD in
EMI's Artist Profile series comprising all three HMV LPs ASD 270, 281, and 288.
It's also possible that the CD might be the first appearance of Albeniz's Triana.
I can't be sure, but that CD track isn't listed in Discog's database for ASD 281.
Jerry
I must be missing something. What do you mean by "that CD?"
The Rodzinski Triana has appeared on CD in the Artist
Profile set and in the Scribendum box.
Frank Berger
2020-10-25 17:36:55 UTC
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Post by Jerry
My apologies if this has already been mentioned regarding
Rodzinski's studio recordings.
A 3-page list compiled my Michael Gray is included in
Halina Rodzinski's book, "Our Two Lives,'
organized without details by his work for U.S. Columbia
(Cleveland, New York, Columbia
Symphony), RCA (Chicago), Remington (was that the famous
Conductor X recording?),
Westminster, EMI, plus two NBC S.O. (Tchaikovsky 4th and
Franck Symphony) issued
anonymously by World's Greatest Music Records.
As far as I can tell, the complete EMI recordings have
already appeared on CD in
EMI's Artist Profile series comprising all three HMV LPs
ASD 270, 281, and 288.
It's also possible that the CD might be the first
appearance of Albeniz's Triana.
I can't be sure, but that CD track isn't listed in
Discog's database for ASD 281.
Jerry
I must be missing something. What do you mean by "that CD?"
 The Rodzinski Triana has appeared on CD in the Artist
Profile set and in the Scribendum box.
Has anyone noticed that the Sony blurb on the Rodzinski box
mentions that includes some Debussy? The only Debussy
Rodzinski recorded that I am aware of was with Cleveland (La
Mer, of course). So either there's no Debussy or the
artwork specifying NYP is wrong. Hopefully the latter.
Invocation
2020-10-25 20:27:41 UTC
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Post by Jerry
My apologies if this has already been mentioned regarding
Rodzinski's studio recordings.
A 3-page list compiled my Michael Gray is included in
Halina Rodzinski's book, "Our Two Lives,'
organized without details by his work for U.S. Columbia
(Cleveland, New York, Columbia
Symphony), RCA (Chicago), Remington (was that the famous
Conductor X recording?),
Westminster, EMI, plus two NBC S.O. (Tchaikovsky 4th and
Franck Symphony) issued
anonymously by World's Greatest Music Records.
As far as I can tell, the complete EMI recordings have
already appeared on CD in
EMI's Artist Profile series comprising all three HMV LPs
ASD 270, 281, and 288.
It's also possible that the CD might be the first
appearance of Albeniz's Triana.
I can't be sure, but that CD track isn't listed in
Discog's database for ASD 281.
Jerry
I must be missing something. What do you mean by "that CD?"
 The Rodzinski Triana has appeared on CD in the Artist
Profile set and in the Scribendum box.
Has anyone noticed that the Sony blurb on the Rodzinski box
mentions that includes some Debussy? The only Debussy
Rodzinski recorded that I am aware of was with Cleveland (La
Mer, of course). So either there's no Debussy or the
artwork specifying NYP is wrong. Hopefully the latter.
Or it could be that Sony included some live Debussy with NYPO, maybe licensed from the orchestra when they did the NYPO 175 Anniversary set but did not include in that one, as the filler.
Mr. Mike
2020-10-25 23:06:13 UTC
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Or it could be that Sony included some live Debussy with NYPO, maybe licensed from the orchestra when they did the NYPO 175 Anniversary set but did not include in that one, as the filler.
Where did the NYPO Shostakovich 8th come from? There is a CD of this
and it's also on YouTube.

The CD is very difficult to track down on Amazon, but if you search
for

rodzinski shostakovich 8

on Ebay, you will find the CD (on Guild) immediately.

I get the impression this was some kind of morale-boosting wartime
production.
Frank Berger
2020-10-26 00:45:57 UTC
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Or it could be that Sony included some live Debussy with NYPO, maybe licensed from the orchestra when they did the NYPO 175 Anniversary set but did not include in that one, as the filler.
Where did the NYPO Shostakovich 8th come from? There is a CD of this
and it's also on YouTube.
The CD is very difficult to track down on Amazon, but if you search
for
rodzinski shostakovich 8
on Ebay, you will find the CD (on Guild) immediately.
I get the impression this was some kind of morale-boosting wartime
production.
There are many copies on Ebay, only one that I could find on
Amazon. I found it by searching for the UPC code I got from
Ebay.

https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=0795754232226&ref=nb_sb_noss

This was a broadcast recording. Not sure why it would have
a political aspect. It is a very great performance IMO. I
think it was the second performance in the U.S. Though we
haven't seen a complete listing, I think it's likely that
the forthcoming box (whenever it finally comes forth) will
turn out to be studio recordings only.
drh8h
2020-10-26 00:56:30 UTC
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Or it could be that Sony included some live Debussy with NYPO, maybe licensed from the orchestra when they did the NYPO 175 Anniversary set but did not include in that one, as the filler.
Where did the NYPO Shostakovich 8th come from? There is a CD of this
and it's also on YouTube.
The CD is very difficult to track down on Amazon, but if you search
for
rodzinski shostakovich 8
on Ebay, you will find the CD (on Guild) immediately.
I get the impression this was some kind of morale-boosting wartime
production.
There are many copies on Ebay, only one that I could find on
Amazon. I found it by searching for the UPC code I got from
Ebay.
https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=0795754232226&ref=nb_sb_noss
This was a broadcast recording. Not sure why it would have
a political aspect. It is a very great performance IMO. I
think it was the second performance in the U.S. Though we
haven't seen a complete listing, I think it's likely that
the forthcoming box (whenever it finally comes forth) will
turn out to be studio recordings only.
St Laurent has published two different performances of the Shostakovich 8. One is enough for me.

Dennis
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2020-10-26 01:07:24 UTC
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I can’t quite fathom why there’s speculation about these live things even possibly being included. None of Sony’s similar sets have drawn upon non-commercial live material. Anything issued by AS Disc falls into that category. Of course it would be great to have more of them issued in some “official” manner, and certainly there are better sources than what AS and similar labels have drawn upon for those long OOP issues. One can hope...
drh8h
2020-10-26 01:34:28 UTC
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I can’t quite fathom why there’s speculation about these live things even possibly being included. None of Sony’s similar sets have drawn upon non-commercial live material. Anything issued by AS Disc falls into that category. Of course it would be great to have more of them issued in some “official” manner, and certainly there are better sources than what AS and similar labels have drawn upon for those long OOP issues. One can hope...
The advance publicity does not mention any new "official" issues or previously unissued recordings. We will probably get original-album cds for the items reissued in the lp era, which were most of them, and the rest like the Sibelius 4 will be appended or left for a generic blue label 78 compilation. Off hand, can anyone think of something from NY besides the Sibelius which did not make it to lp, even if for a short time. Quite a few of the Clevelands did not make the transition.

DH
Néstor Castiglione
2020-10-26 02:22:51 UTC
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Or it could be that Sony included some live Debussy with NYPO, maybe licensed from the orchestra when they did the NYPO 175 Anniversary set but did not include in that one, as the filler.
Where did the NYPO Shostakovich 8th come from? There is a CD of this
and it's also on YouTube.
The CD is very difficult to track down on Amazon, but if you search
for
rodzinski shostakovich 8
on Ebay, you will find the CD (on Guild) immediately.
I get the impression this was some kind of morale-boosting wartime
production.
There are many copies on Ebay, only one that I could find on
Amazon. I found it by searching for the UPC code I got from
Ebay.
https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=0795754232226&ref=nb_sb_noss
This was a broadcast recording. Not sure why it would have
a political aspect. It is a very great performance IMO. I
think it was the second performance in the U.S. Though we
haven't seen a complete listing, I think it's likely that
the forthcoming box (whenever it finally comes forth) will
turn out to be studio recordings only.
They were maybe the third or fourth series of performances of that work. Rodziński had debuted Shostakovich 8 in the US the year prior, followed by Koussevitzky in Boston (whose performances are the earliest preserved of this work). Following this Rodziński performance, the symphony wouldn't be performed again in the US until the 1970s. For example, Shostakovich 8 wouldn't be played in Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco until 1972, 1975, and 1994 respectively.
Mr. Mike
2020-10-26 16:01:01 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:45:57 -0400, Frank Berger
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https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=0795754232226&ref=nb_sb_noss
This was a broadcast recording. Not sure why it would have
a political aspect
When I was searching for this recording of the 8th on YouTube the
other day, I recall one of the entries was taken from 16"
transcription discs. It wasn't the whole piece, just certain excerpts.
I thought that it said these discs were connected with some
"political" outfit like Voice of America (or something similar).

I just tried searching for this again, and can't track it down...
drh8h
2020-10-26 16:31:51 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:45:57 -0400, Frank Berger
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https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=0795754232226&ref=nb_sb_noss
This was a broadcast recording. Not sure why it would have
a political aspect
When I was searching for this recording of the 8th on YouTube the
other day, I recall one of the entries was taken from 16"
transcription discs. It wasn't the whole piece, just certain excerpts.
I thought that it said these discs were connected with some
"political" outfit like Voice of America (or something similar).
I just tried searching for this again, and can't track it down...
The two issues on St. Laurent's label are provided by the conductor's son. Rodzinski apparently had many if not all of his broadcasts recorded, including some with the NBC Symphony in its earliest days.

DH

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2020-09-27 11:40:48 UTC
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Thanks for the heads-up. That and the Reiner/PSO box are on a buy list.
RiRiIII
2020-10-21 07:18:17 UTC
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These are Rodzinski's NYPO recordings according to North's book:
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RiRiIII
2020-10-21 07:20:51 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
These are Rodzinski's NYPO recordings according to North's book:
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Frank Berger
2020-10-22 03:50:23 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
https://i.postimg.cc/JzqtJ81k/rodz1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/8Cck6rK2/rodz2.jpg
There are quite a few Rodzinski/NYPO recordings on labels
such as AS Disc, Iron Needle, Pearl, etc that are not listed
in these JPGs. One example is the Dvorak Cello Concerto on
AS disc with Leonard Rose from 1945. Also on that disk is
the Franck Symphony which is also not included in the list.
Are these omissions or were they not recorded by Columbia?

Aside: In doing this investigating I discovered that the AS
in AS Disc stands for Andrea Scarduelli. Who knew?
Invocation
2020-10-22 06:46:25 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
https://i.postimg.cc/JzqtJ81k/rodz1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/8Cck6rK2/rodz2.jpg
There are quite a few Rodzinski/NYPO recordings on labels
such as AS Disc, Iron Needle, Pearl, etc that are not listed
in these JPGs. One example is the Dvorak Cello Concerto on
AS disc with Leonard Rose from 1945. Also on that disk is
the Franck Symphony which is also not included in the list.
Are these omissions or were they not recorded by Columbia?
Aside: In doing this investigating I discovered that the AS
in AS Disc stands for Andrea Scarduelli. Who knew?
Are those live recordings or in studio?
RiRiIII
2020-10-22 07:23:49 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
https://i.postimg.cc/JzqtJ81k/rodz1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/8Cck6rK2/rodz2.jpg
There are quite a few Rodzinski/NYPO recordings on labels
such as AS Disc, Iron Needle, Pearl, etc that are not listed
in these JPGs. One example is the Dvorak Cello Concerto on
AS disc with Leonard Rose from 1945. Also on that disk is
the Franck Symphony which is also not included in the list.
Are these omissions or were they not recorded by Columbia?
Aside: In doing this investigating I discovered that the AS
in AS Disc stands for Andrea Scarduelli. Who knew?
Are those live recordings or in studio?
Studio only.
RiRiIII
2020-10-22 07:24:28 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
https://i.postimg.cc/JzqtJ81k/rodz1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/8Cck6rK2/rodz2.jpg
There are quite a few Rodzinski/NYPO recordings on labels
such as AS Disc, Iron Needle, Pearl, etc that are not listed
in these JPGs. One example is the Dvorak Cello Concerto on
AS disc with Leonard Rose from 1945. Also on that disk is
the Franck Symphony which is also not included in the list.
Are these omissions or were they not recorded by Columbia?
Aside: In doing this investigating I discovered that the AS
in AS Disc stands for Andrea Scarduelli. Who knew?
Are those live recordings or in studio?
The ASDisc are live, AFAIK.
Invocation
2020-10-22 21:47:26 UTC
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https://www.importcds.com/the-complete-columbia-album-collection/194397877526
I had heard a rumor that it was only going to have his New York Philharmonic recordings (not his Cleveland, Columbia Symphony or the RCA Chicago recordings), but we'll know better when more details come out.
Curiously, the release date is October 9th and it's only available as an import from Germany; yet, Amazon DE does not list a release date for it, although it has a page there. Between this and the recent Reiner Columbias box, they're certainly keeping busy for the end of this year.
Mark O-T
https://i.postimg.cc/JzqtJ81k/rodz1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/8Cck6rK2/rodz2.jpg
There are quite a few Rodzinski/NYPO recordings on labels
such as AS Disc, Iron Needle, Pearl, etc that are not listed
in these JPGs. One example is the Dvorak Cello Concerto on
AS disc with Leonard Rose from 1945. Also on that disk is
the Franck Symphony which is also not included in the list.
Are these omissions or were they not recorded by Columbia?
Aside: In doing this investigating I discovered that the AS
in AS Disc stands for Andrea Scarduelli. Who knew?
Are those live recordings or in studio?
The ASDisc are live, AFAIK.
That's what I think. North's discography only includes his commercial recordings with NYPO and there are quite a few live broadcasts survived and have been published by various labels.
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