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Dan Koren
2021-05-12 23:03:48 UTC
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Frank Berger
2021-05-13 04:06:19 UTC
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.... not even close to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Nikisch#/media/File:Portrait_of_Arthur_Nikisch.jpg
dk
Awesome Beethoven 5 from 1913.


gggg gggg
2021-05-13 04:43:17 UTC
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.... not even close to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Nikisch#/media/File:Portrait_of_Arthur_Nikisch.jpg
dk
Awesome Beethoven 5 from 1913.
http://youtu.be/VcW3ZSbYPAs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beethoven%27s_5th_(Nikisch_recording)
Dan Koren
2021-05-13 06:39:36 UTC
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.... not even close to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Nikisch#/media/File:Portrait_of_Arthur_Nikisch.jpg
Awesome Beethoven 5 from 1913.
http://youtu.be/VcW3ZSbYPAs
The greatest moustache ever in front of an orchestra! ;-)

dk
Marc S
2021-05-13 10:04:42 UTC
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.... not even close to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Nikisch#/media/File:Portrait_of_Arthur_Nikisch.jpg
Awesome Beethoven 5 from 1913.
http://youtu.be/VcW3ZSbYPAs
The greatest moustache ever in front of an orchestra! ;-)
dk
The moustache maybe acted as some sort of sensory device ;)
Dan Koren
2021-05-13 19:10:09 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
.... not even close to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Nikisch#/media/File:Portrait_of_Arthur_Nikisch.jpg
Awesome Beethoven 5 from 1913.
http://youtu.be/VcW3ZSbYPAs
The greatest moustache ever in front of an orchestra! ;-)
The moustache maybe acted as some sort of sensory device ;)
Nikisch conducted by pointing his moustache at the
orchestra and moving its strands in suggestive ways! ;-)

dk
Marc S
2021-05-14 22:23:13 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
.... not even close to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Nikisch#/media/File:Portrait_of_Arthur_Nikisch.jpg
Awesome Beethoven 5 from 1913.
http://youtu.be/VcW3ZSbYPAs
The greatest moustache ever in front of an orchestra! ;-)
The moustache maybe acted as some sort of sensory device ;)
Nikisch conducted by pointing his moustache at the
orchestra and moving its strands in suggestive ways! ;-)
dk
;D and they all thought it was about him conducting with the eyes...

I was thinking more along the lines of the moustache being able to sense vibrations of the molecules and thus being able to get the right sound.

I remember you once recommending Maazel's Don Giovanni (besides Klemp). It's fine I think, very fine. But I thought, maybe it's because Maazel had perfect pitch too and the singers getting it more or less right? ^^ What would you recommend for Zauberflöte (I love the later Klemp), and Nozze (I love Fricsay, Klemp not so much), if you have any recs? Yes, yes, not your genre, but still interested.
Dan Koren
2021-05-14 22:26:09 UTC
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I remember you once recommending Maazel's Don Giovanni
Not me. You need to check your memory.

dk
Marc S
2021-05-15 18:16:24 UTC
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I remember you once recommending Maazel's Don Giovanni
Not me. You need to check your memory.
dk
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What are you guys recommended version of Don Giovanni...
Maazel/Raimondi/Kanawa/L'Opera de Paris.
dk
I like the voice of Kanawa if I remember correctly. I wouldn't buy it, but I think it is fine. After Klemp there seem to be no others... I think I would choose Maazel over Fricsay here maybe... Fricsay here is not toooo good. But well Klemp is hard to beat.
Dan Koren
2021-05-15 20:05:16 UTC
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I remember you once recommending Maazel's Don Giovanni
Not me. You need to check your memory.
My memory worked fine in this case, but it seems someone was
Post by Dan Koren
Post by Marc S
What are you guys recommended version of Don Giovanni...
Maazel/Raimondi/Kanawa/L'Opera de Paris.
dk
Wrong indent. Happens quite often in this ng.

dk
Marc S
2021-05-15 20:33:48 UTC
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I remember you once recommending Maazel's Don Giovanni
Not me. You need to check your memory.
My memory worked fine in this case, but it seems someone was
Post by Dan Koren
Post by Marc S
What are you guys recommended version of Don Giovanni...
Maazel/Raimondi/Kanawa/L'Opera de Paris.
dk
Wrong indent. Happens quite often in this ng.
dk
Ah. Makes sense.
Marc S
2021-05-24 19:01:24 UTC
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I remember you once recommending Maazel's Don Giovanni
Not me. You need to check your memory.
My memory worked fine in this case, but it seems someone was
Post by Dan Koren
Post by Marc S
What are you guys recommended version of Don Giovanni...
Maazel/Raimondi/Kanawa/L'Opera de Paris.
dk
Wrong indent. Happens quite often in this ng.
dk
Listened to Fricsay's Don Giovanni last night again, then compared bits of it to Maazel. Omg, how could I say firstly that Fricsay's Don Giovanni is not too good... and secondly even say that Maazel's might be a bit better... I feel deeply ashamed of myself and am red from tip to toe, as melmoth recently said about himself about sth else. After Klemperer, Fricsay's Don Giovanni is - imo - the best by a very wide margin. And I think you hit the nail on the head again with those two recs in the past. I knew both of them before though, but my comparison between Klemperer and Fricsay was a few years ago. To Maazel I listened more recently. I was quite puzzled when I first thought that "you" recommended Maazel. And after recently learnign you had perfect pitch, I genuinely thought it might have to do with the singers hitting the right frequencies ;D

Had to get this off my chest, sorry ;D In my general reverence of Fricsay's Mozart ;)

Maazel is very bad... he is fine in the sense that Klara Würtz's Mozart is (from what I heard from both).

Anyways, in general I think I like your recs concerning the "past" and older generation of artists more than of recent artists... dunno... just saying in "general" ;D and it's just my opinion ofc... it's also my general preference, I guess. Can't seem to get into the younger generation that much... as of yet...
Marc S
2021-05-24 20:38:56 UTC
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I remember you once recommending Maazel's Don Giovanni
Not me. You need to check your memory.
My memory worked fine in this case, but it seems someone was
Post by Dan Koren
Post by Marc S
What are you guys recommended version of Don Giovanni...
Maazel/Raimondi/Kanawa/L'Opera de Paris.
dk
Wrong indent. Happens quite often in this ng.
dk
Listened to Fricsay's Don Giovanni last night again, then compared bits of it to Maazel. Omg, how could I say firstly that Fricsay's Don Giovanni is not too good... and secondly even say that Maazel's might be a bit better... I feel deeply ashamed of myself and am red from tip to toe, as melmoth recently said about himself about sth else. After Klemperer, Fricsay's Don Giovanni is - imo - the best by a very wide margin. And I think you hit the nail on the head again with those two recs in the past. I knew both of them before though, but my comparison between Klemperer and Fricsay was a few years ago. To Maazel I listened more recently. I was quite puzzled when I first thought that "you" recommended Maazel. And after recently learnign you had perfect pitch, I genuinely thought it might have to do with the singers hitting the right frequencies ;D
Had to get this off my chest, sorry ;D In my general reverence of Fricsay's Mozart ;)
Maazel is very bad... he is fine in the sense that Klara Würtz's Mozart is (from what I heard from both).
Anyways, in general I think I like your recs concerning the "past" and older generation of artists more than of recent artists... dunno... just saying in "general" ;D and it's just my opinion ofc... it's also my general preference, I guess. Can't seem to get into the younger generation that much... as of yet...
But there's also a huge gap between Klemperer's DG and Fricsay's... maybe even more so than between Fricsay and the others (all just imo ofc)... omg ^^ Klemperer is so good here.
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