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Liszt and Mahler own Schumann and Brahms
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Zionazi
2024-07-19 16:17:23 UTC
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I think Schumann and Brahms are überunfunny, überdull, überserious
composers - godawful...

Probably even Tchaikovsky owns Schumann and Brahms... ya he does. I've
also realized I'm really not that into Schubert...

so my fav composers:

1) Mozart
2) Beethoven
3) Bach
4) Haydn
5)/6) Liszt/Mahler (unsure yet - maybe even Tchaikovsky)

other composers I like: Tchaikovsky, Prokofiev -- should also check out
Rachmaninov again probably; not so much into Chopin tbh, nor Scriabin I
guess, but I'll check him out again --, Schoenberg, Webern, Berg...
Zionazi
2024-07-19 18:53:30 UTC
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5)/6) Liszt/Mahler (unsure yet - maybe evn Tchaikovsky)
After skipping through some Mahler again... hell no... I just don't like
him... and thinking about it, Schubert is still among my fav
1) Mozart
2) Beethoven
3) Bach
4)/5) Haydn/Schubert
other composers I like: Tchaikovsky, Schoenberg, Webern, Berg and
Prokofiev... maybe Rachmaninov...
And Liszt ofc...

Wagner has beautiful moments, but most of it I don't appreciate...
Zionazi
2024-07-19 18:55:32 UTC
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with that said, I like Brahms and Schumann - both - more than Mahler.
Zionazi
2024-07-19 19:19:07 UTC
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you know what... I was wrong...

Schumann and Brahms own Liszt and Mahler...

fav composers

1) Mozart
2) Beethoven
3) Bach
4)/5) Haydn/Schubert
6)/7) Schumann/Brahms
8)/9)/10) Schoenberg,Webern,Berg

no Tchaikovsky... no Prokofiev... no Liszt either...
Owen Hartnett
2024-07-20 23:33:35 UTC
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Post by Zionazi
5)/6) Liszt/Mahler (unsure yet - maybe evn Tchaikovsky)
After skipping through some Mahler again... hell no... I just don't like
him... and thinking about it, Schubert is still among my fav
1) Mozart
2) Beethoven
3) Bach
4)/5) Haydn/Schubert
other composers I like: Tchaikovsky, Schoenberg, Webern, Berg and
Prokofiev... maybe Rachmaninov...
And Liszt ofc...
Wagner has beautiful moments, but most of it I don't appreciate...
There was some musician who I can't remember saying something like Wagner take
20 minutes to get to a point.

-Owen
DeepBlue
2024-07-21 08:33:14 UTC
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On Jul 19, 2024 at 2:53:30 PM EDT, "Zionazi"
Post by Zionazi
Wagner has beautiful moments, but most of it I don't appreciate...
There was some musician who I can't remember saying
something like Wagner take 20 minutes to get to a point.
"Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain

"I like Wagner's music better than anybody's. It is so
loud that one can talk the whole time without people
hearing what one says." - Oscar Wilde

"Wagner has beautiful moments but awful quarters of an
hour." - Gioachino Rossini

"Is Wagner a human being at all? Is he not rather a
disease? He contaminates everything he touches - he
has made music sick." - Friedrich Nietzsche (pre-
falling out era)

"The Ring Cycle is like a marathon where you don't
want the runner to win." - Anon

"The only thing worse than listening to Wagner is
not listening to Wagner." - Anon

"Wagner's music is not as bad as it sounds. It is
worse." - Theodor Adorno

"I can't listen to that much Wagner. I start getting
the urge to conquer Poland." - Woody Allen

"I love Wagner, but the music I prefer is that of a
cat hung up by its tail outside a window and trying
to stick to the panes of glass with its claws." -
Charles Baudelaire

"There are two golden rules for an orchestra when they
are playing Wagner. Never look at the trombones, it
only encourages them. And if you see a tuba player
smile, hit him." - Anon

"The perfect Wagnerite is a person who can listen to
the Ring cycle and still be able to hear his doorbell." -
George Bernard Shaw

"Wagner is a great composer, but he needs a good editor." -
Gustav Mahler

"One can't judge Wagner's opera Lohengrin after a first
hearing, and I certainly don't intend to hear it a second
time." - Gioachino Rossini

"Wagner's music is a bit like a childbirth: It's long,
painful, and at the end, you're glad it's over." -
Anonymous

"Wagner's operas are like German philosophy: Long,
complex, and not always easy to understand." -
Anonymous

"Wagner is the only composer who could make you
believe that love and death are the same thing." -
Anonymous

"Wagner is the only composer who could make you
feel sorry for the gods." - Anonymous

"Wagner's music dramas are like the Bible: Everyone
agrees they're a masterpiece, but no one actually
reads them." - Anonymous

"The first time I heard Tristan, I thought I had
gone mad." - Clara Schumann

"Wagner's operas are the length of three normal
operas, but the story could be told in half an
hour." - Anonymous
Owen Hartnett
2024-07-21 15:39:56 UTC
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Post by DeepBlue
On Jul 19, 2024 at 2:53:30 PM EDT, "Zionazi"
Post by Zionazi
Wagner has beautiful moments, but most of it I don't appreciate...
There was some musician who I can't remember saying
something like Wagner take 20 minutes to get to a point.
"Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain
Not Mark Twain. Bill Nye (not the science guy Bill Nye either).
Post by DeepBlue
"There are two golden rules for an orchestra when they
are playing Wagner. Never look at the trombones, it
only encourages them. And if you see a tuba player
smile, hit him." - Anon
I thought it was Beecham not encouraging the brass.
Just nitpicking attributions today.

-Owen
DeepBlue
2024-07-21 21:46:41 UTC
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Post by Owen Hartnett
Post by DeepBlue
On Jul 19, 2024 at 2:53:30 PM EDT, "Zionazi"
Post by Zionazi
Wagner has beautiful moments, but most of it I don't appreciate...
There was some musician who I can't remember saying
something like Wagner take 20 minutes to get to a point.
"Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain
Not Mark Twain. Bill Nye (not the science guy Bill Nye either).
Attributed to many.
Post by Owen Hartnett
Post by DeepBlue
"There are two golden rules for an orchestra when they
are playing Wagner. Never look at the trombones, it
only encourages them. And if you see a tuba player
smile, hit him." - Anon
I thought it was Beecham not encouraging the brass.
Attributed to many.

Who said "Wagner's operas are tests of the bladder"?

Cheers!
Zionazi
2024-07-19 18:51:57 UTC
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5)/6) Liszt/Mahler (unsure yet - maybe evn Tchaikovsky)
After skipping through some Mahler again... hell no... I just don't like
him... and thinking about it, Schubert is still among my fav
composers... so it's:

1) Mozart
2) Beethoven
3) Bach
4)/5) Haydn/Schubert

other composers I like: Tchaikovsky, Schoenberg, Webern, Berg and
Prokofiev... maybe Rachmaninov...
DeepBlue
2024-07-24 04:47:35 UTC
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Does this mean you will start
paying attention to pianists?

And who owns Liszt and Mahler?
One must follow the money all
the way to the source! ;-)

Cheers!
DeepBlue
2024-07-24 05:38:53 UTC
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Freehold or leasehold?

Thx

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