Discussion:
Horowitz - a re-appraisal?
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Andy Evans
2003-09-03 10:07:34 UTC
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I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz, but I've
seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his reputation is settling,
now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others), some of his recordings are quite
stunning, others quite infuriating. Would people like to say where he now
stands in the heirarchy of great pianists, and also mention some of their
favourites and frustrations. For me, it would go something like:
Favourites:
Debussy
Schubert
Schumann
Scarlatti
Mozart
Liszt
Scriabin (Dan will disagree, I believe)
Rachmaninov
Some Chopin

Frustrations:
The rest of the Chopin

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Simon Smith
2003-09-03 10:43:00 UTC
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Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz, but
I've seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his reputation is
settling, now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others), some of his
recordings are quite stunning, others quite infuriating. Would people
like to say where he now stands in the heirarchy of great pianists, and
also mention some of their favourites and frustrations.
For me at least, his Rachmaninov is an horrendous atrocity which I cannot
bear to listen to without wanting to scream.
--
Simon Smith | http://www.ingemisco.com/
Matthew B. Tepper
2003-09-03 17:18:51 UTC
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Post by Simon Smith
Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz,
but I've seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his
reputation is settling, now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others),
some of his recordings are quite stunning, others quite infuriating.
Would people like to say where he now stands in the heirarchy of great
pianists, and also mention some of their favourites and frustrations.
For me at least, his Rachmaninov is an horrendous atrocity which I cannot
bear to listen to without wanting to scream.
And for me, his Mozart is akin to getting plastered with makeup like Dirk
Bogarde in "Death in Venice," and then drinking a cup of lukewarm tea from
a 1000-year-old china cup with one's pinky sticking out.
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d***@yahoo.com
2003-09-03 19:36:12 UTC
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:18:51 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by Simon Smith
Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz,
but I've seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his
reputation is settling, now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others),
some of his recordings are quite stunning, others quite infuriating.
Would people like to say where he now stands in the heirarchy of great
pianists, and also mention some of their favourites and frustrations.
For me at least, his Rachmaninov is an horrendous atrocity which I cannot
bear to listen to without wanting to scream.
And for me, his Mozart is akin to getting plastered with makeup like Dirk
Bogarde in "Death in Venice," and then drinking a cup of lukewarm tea from
a 1000-year-old china cup with one's pinky sticking out.
You forgot the requisite spit-curls, Matt.

TD
Simon Roberts
2003-09-04 01:35:17 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
And for me, his Mozart is akin to getting plastered with makeup like Dirk
Bogarde in "Death in Venice," and then drinking a cup of lukewarm tea from
a 1000-year-old china cup with one's pinky sticking out.
I take that as a 'no'?
One might like to think that, in light of the vast amounts of room-temperature
Perrier served up by so many contemporary Mozart pianists, that it's a "yes"....

Simon
ulvi
2003-09-04 04:01:29 UTC
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Post by Simon Roberts
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
And for me, his Mozart is akin to getting plastered with makeup like
Dirk Bogarde in "Death in Venice," and then drinking a cup of lukewarm
tea from a 1000-year-old china cup with one's pinky sticking out.
I take that as a 'no'?
One might like to think that, in light of the vast amounts of
room-temperature Perrier served up by so many contemporary Mozart
pianists,
With or without gas?

Ulvi
Dan Koren
2003-09-04 05:58:30 UTC
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Post by ulvi
Post by Simon Roberts
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
And for me, his Mozart is akin to getting plastered with makeup like
Dirk Bogarde in "Death in Venice," and then drinking a cup of lukewarm
tea from a 1000-year-old china cup with one's pinky sticking out.
I take that as a 'no'?
One might like to think that, in light of the vast amounts of
room-temperature Perrier served up by so many contemporary Mozart
pianists,
With or without gas?
Depends on the pedal -- er, the vehicle ;-)



dk

PS. Most pianists on stage today cannot tell
the difference between the gas and the brake
pedals anyway.
Matthew B. Tepper
2003-09-04 06:39:09 UTC
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Post by ulvi
Post by Simon Roberts
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
And for me, his Mozart is akin to getting plastered with makeup like
Dirk Bogarde in "Death in Venice," and then drinking a cup of lukewarm
tea from a 1000-year-old china cup with one's pinky sticking out.
I take that as a 'no'?
One might like to think that, in light of the vast amounts of
room-temperature Perrier served up by so many contemporary Mozart
pianists,
With or without gas?
Ohne Gas, bitte.
--
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Henk van Tuijl
2003-09-03 10:53:41 UTC
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Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz, but I've
seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his reputation is settling,
now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others), some of his recordings are quite
stunning, others quite infuriating. Would people like to say where he now
stands in the heirarchy of great pianists,
Horowitz still stands first on my list,
closely followed by Moiseiwitsch and
Gould.

Cziffra, Yudina and Pogorelic are -
for very different reasons - no longer
in my top five.
Post by Andy Evans
and also mention some of their
Everything but ...
.... some Liszt
some Chopin
some Rachmaninov
some Beethoven
some Tchaikovsky ...

Could do without:

... all the eternal Horowitzian
favourites

Henk
XYZ XYZ
2003-09-03 13:16:32 UTC
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I haven't heard much by Horowitz, but I don't like his Chopin (well,
what's on the GPOC set). I really like his Scarlatti (well, whatever is
available on the Met recital in the 80s) and his Schumann ("Kinderszenen"
and "Kreisleriana" on CBS/Sony in the 60s (?)). The Schumann disc is one
of my favorite discs.

What do people think of his Beethoven? I haven't heard any of his sonatas
recordings but I like the Horowitz/Reiner "Emperor" which I think lots of
people here (including dk) hate. I was quite surprised that I like this
one so much since one doesn't normally associate Horowitz with Beethoven.
Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz, but I've
seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his reputation is settling,
now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others), some of his recordings are quite
stunning, others quite infuriating. Would people like to say where he now
stands in the heirarchy of great pianists, and also mention some of their
Debussy
Schubert
Schumann
Scarlatti
Mozart
Liszt
Scriabin (Dan will disagree, I believe)
Rachmaninov
Some Chopin
The rest of the Chopin
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Owen Hartnett
2003-09-03 13:35:32 UTC
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Post by XYZ XYZ
What do people think of his Beethoven? I haven't heard any of his sonatas
recordings but I like the Horowitz/Reiner "Emperor" which I think lots of
people here (including dk) hate. I was quite surprised that I like this
one so much since one doesn't normally associate Horowitz with Beethoven.
I like Vlad's Emperor because, unlike the sonatas he's played, it's
less Horowitz and more Beethoven. Sure the glitter is all there, but
it's underlaid with warmth and melody, plus he and Reiner are on the
same page musically. Sometimes these things work, when you take a
showy exhibitionist like Horowitz and couple him with a minimalist like
Reiner. When they do find the negotiation ground, it's very good music
indeed.

-Owen
Bob Lombard
2003-09-03 14:25:54 UTC
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Post by Owen Hartnett
Post by XYZ XYZ
What do people think of his Beethoven? I haven't heard any of his sonatas
recordings but I like the Horowitz/Reiner "Emperor" which I think lots of
people here (including dk) hate. I was quite surprised that I like this
one so much since one doesn't normally associate Horowitz with Beethoven.
I like Vlad's Emperor because, unlike the sonatas he's played, it's
less Horowitz and more Beethoven. Sure the glitter is all there, but
it's underlaid with warmth and melody, plus he and Reiner are on the
same page musically. Sometimes these things work, when you take a
showy exhibitionist like Horowitz and couple him with a minimalist like
Reiner. When they do find the negotiation ground, it's very good music
indeed.
-Owen
A strong-willed conductor as a governor on the engine - interesting
concept.

Sometimes it's the nature of the music. One probably can't jazz-up
Schumann without destroying it.; maybe the Symphonic Etudes a little
bit. Schubert's piano music is, except for the Wanderer Fantasy, so
non-virtuosic that the virtuoso pianist can 'make his mark' only with
agogics - Afanassiev and Richter for example. That Horowitz excelled
in this music is testimony that he wasn't just a "showy
exhibitionist".

bl
Owen Hartnett
2003-09-03 14:30:29 UTC
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Post by Bob Lombard
That Horowitz excelled
in this music is testimony that he wasn't just a "showy
exhibitionist".
I agree, but he also certainly was a showy exhibitionist.

-Owen
Andy Evans
2003-09-03 16:09:59 UTC
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I've defended his live D960 on this ng for about ten years, thinking I was a
lone voice in the wilderness, but recently others have been praising it. I was
also heartened to find that I wasn't the only one who thought him one of the
best (under-recorded) Debussy pianists of recent times.

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ajb723
2003-09-03 17:17:16 UTC
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Post by XYZ XYZ
I haven't heard much by Horowitz, but I don't like his Chopin (well,
what's on the GPOC set). I really like his Scarlatti (well, whatever is
available on the Met recital in the 80s) and his Schumann ("Kinderszenen"
and "Kreisleriana" on CBS/Sony in the 60s (?)). The Schumann disc is one
of my favorite discs.
What do people think of his Beethoven? I haven't heard any of his sonatas
recordings but I like the Horowitz/Reiner "Emperor" which I think lots of
people here (including dk) hate. I was quite surprised that I like this
one so much since one doesn't normally associate Horowitz with Beethoven.
Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz, but I've
seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his reputation is settling,
now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others), some of his recordings are quite
stunning, others quite infuriating. Would people like to say where he now
stands in the heirarchy of great pianists, and also mention some of their
Debussy
Schubert
Schumann
Scarlatti
Mozart
Liszt
Scriabin (Dan will disagree, I believe)
Rachmaninov
Some Chopin
The rest of the Chopin
=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
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I had the privilege of seeing VH 4 times in recital. At his best (which was
not too often) he was no less than spectacular. 3 points: I don't think that
the true Horowitz sound was ever accurately captured on record. Nor could
the electricity which was palpable in the audience be described or captured.
Lastly most of his well known (better selling?) records were made long after
he was past his prime.
I never felt his Beethoven was worth hearing. His Waldstein is not bad but
thats hardly a recommendation. He was at his best in the miniatures;
Moszkowski Etudes, Scarlatti Sonatas, and, as has been mentioned, some
Chopin. Some of the Mazurkas are incomparable. His Scriabin and Schumann are
for the most part excellent.Some of his Rachmaninoff was great. I saw him
do a op. 32 #12 and #5 Prelude which were very good. I hate his Sonata
performance.
Alan
d***@yahoo.com
2003-09-03 19:35:15 UTC
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Post by ajb723
I had the privilege of seeing VH 4 times in recital. At his best (which was
not too often) he was no less than spectacular. 3 points: I don't think that
the true Horowitz sound was ever accurately captured on record. Nor could
the electricity which was palpable in the audience be described or captured.
Lastly most of his well known (better selling?) records were made long after
he was past his prime.
I never felt his Beethoven was worth hearing. His Waldstein is not bad but
thats hardly a recommendation. He was at his best in the miniatures;
Moszkowski Etudes, Scarlatti Sonatas, and, as has been mentioned, some
Chopin. Some of the Mazurkas are incomparable. His Scriabin and Schumann are
for the most part excellent.Some of his Rachmaninoff was great. I saw him
do a op. 32 #12 and #5 Prelude which were very good. I hate his Sonata
performance.
Alan
On this point I agree completely.

Horowitz could rarely hold a long piece of music together. It just
became a series of little "bits".

He is essentially a miniaturist, making his Scarlatti and Moszkowski
terrific. Also his Scriabin and Rachmaninoff Preludes and Etudes.

Cliburn plays rings around Horowitz in the Sonata. He has the real
long line for that piece.

But I am afraid our opinion is a minority one, Alan.

TD
David Wake
2003-09-03 22:52:15 UTC
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Post by d***@yahoo.com
Cliburn plays rings around Horowitz in the Sonata. He has the real
long line for that piece.
At least I can agree with TD on *something*!!

David
Dan Koren
2003-09-03 23:52:46 UTC
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Post by d***@yahoo.com
Post by ajb723
I had the privilege of seeing VH 4 times in recital. At his best (which was
not too often) he was no less than spectacular. 3 points: I don't think that
the true Horowitz sound was ever accurately captured on record. Nor could
the electricity which was palpable in the audience be described or captured.
Lastly most of his well known (better selling?) records were made long after
he was past his prime.
I never felt his Beethoven was worth hearing. His Waldstein is not bad but
thats hardly a recommendation. He was at his best in the miniatures;
Moszkowski Etudes, Scarlatti Sonatas, and, as has been mentioned, some
Chopin. Some of the Mazurkas are incomparable. His Scriabin and Schumann are
for the most part excellent.Some of his Rachmaninoff was great. I saw him
do a op. 32 #12 and #5 Prelude which were very good. I hate his Sonata
performance.
Alan
On this point I agree completely.
Horowitz could rarely hold a long piece of music together. It just
became a series of little "bits".
He is essentially a miniaturist, making his Scarlatti and Moszkowski
terrific. Also his Scriabin and Rachmaninoff Preludes and Etudes.
Cliburn plays rings around Horowitz in the Sonata. He has the real
long line for that piece.
But I am afraid our opinion is a minority one, Alan.
If you just voted in the NorthWest Territories instead
of Ontario -- you might be a majority.

You should seriously consider running for mayor in
White Horse or Yellowknife.



dk
Dan Koren
2003-09-03 23:59:09 UTC
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Post by d***@yahoo.com
Cliburn plays rings around Horowitz in the Sonata.
Just rings -- or onion rings?



dk
Herman Jurjus
2003-09-04 07:52:11 UTC
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Post by ajb723
I had the privilege of seeing VH 4 times in recital. At his best (which was
not too often) he was no less than spectacular. 3 points: I don't think that
the true Horowitz sound was ever accurately captured on record. Nor could
the electricity which was palpable in the audience be described or captured.
Lastly most of his well known (better selling?) records were made long after
he was past his prime.
I never felt his Beethoven was worth hearing. His Waldstein is not bad but
thats hardly a recommendation. He was at his best in the miniatures;
Moszkowski Etudes, Scarlatti Sonatas, and, as has been mentioned, some
Chopin. Some of the Mazurkas are incomparable. His Scriabin and Schumann are
for the most part excellent.Some of his Rachmaninoff was great. I saw him
do a op. 32 #12 and #5 Prelude which were very good. I hate his Sonata
performance.
Tsaikovski's Dumka is another highlight in his repertoire.
But how about his arrangements? Stars and stripes, Liszt 15th rapsody,
Carmen variations, Danse Macabre (did i miss any?)

What i find amazing about Horowitz (never heard him live, btw), is
that he catches me with pieces i don't know, but he does not convince
me anymore after i know the score, or when i've heard someone
else playing the piece. I have that with no other pianist.
Does anyone recognize that?

Cheers,
Herman Jurjus
John Gavin
2003-09-03 21:45:57 UTC
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Post by ajb723
Post by XYZ XYZ
I haven't heard much by Horowitz, but I don't like his Chopin (well,
what's on the GPOC set). I really like his Scarlatti (well, whatever is
available on the Met recital in the 80s) and his Schumann ("Kinderszenen"
and "Kreisleriana" on CBS/Sony in the 60s (?)). The Schumann disc is one
of my favorite discs.
What do people think of his Beethoven? I haven't heard any of his sonatas
recordings but I like the Horowitz/Reiner "Emperor" which I think lots of
people here (including dk) hate. I was quite surprised that I like this
one so much since one doesn't normally associate Horowitz with Beethoven.
Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz, but I've
seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his reputation is settling,
now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others), some of his recordings are quite
stunning, others quite infuriating. Would people like to say where he now
stands in the heirarchy of great pianists, and also mention some of their
Debussy
Schubert
Schumann
Scarlatti
Mozart
Liszt
Scriabin (Dan will disagree, I believe)
Rachmaninov
Some Chopin
The rest of the Chopin
=== Andy Evans ===
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I had the privilege of seeing VH 4 times in recital. At his best (which was
not too often) he was no less than spectacular. 3 points: I don't think that
the true Horowitz sound was ever accurately captured on record. Nor could
the electricity which was palpable in the audience be described or captured.
Lastly most of his well known (better selling?) records were made long after
he was past his prime.
I saw him live 2 times and my experience is the same. With Horowitz
recordings generally I feel the earlier in his career the better. The
brilliant approach to the piano, which seemed to me a cross between
Prokofiev's brilliant coiled tension and Rachmaninoff made him unique,
but my reservations about Horowitz had to do with his MUSICIANSHIP
which I felt generally became less and less spontaneous and more a
collection of predictable mannerisms as time went on.
Matthew B. Tepper
2003-09-03 17:18:52 UTC
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but I hate any Bach-Busoni, so that's nothing personal.
You vill get used to it.
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David Wake
2003-09-03 22:40:18 UTC
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Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz, but I've
seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his reputation is settling,
now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others), some of his recordings are quite
stunning, others quite infuriating. Would people like to say where he now
stands in the heirarchy of great pianists, and also mention some of their
Debussy
Schubert
Schumann
Scarlatti
Mozart
Liszt
Scriabin (Dan will disagree, I believe)
Rachmaninov
Some Chopin
No Sousa?

David
David Wake
2003-09-03 22:46:11 UTC
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Some favorites:

Bach - Busoni: Ich ruf zu dir
Medtner: the Fairy-tale he recorded
Scriabin: Sonata #9, Vers la flamme.
Sousa-Horowitz: The Stars and Stripes Forever
Schumann: Kinderszenen (1960s)

David
Dan Koren
2003-09-03 23:49:57 UTC
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Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz, but I've
seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his reputation is settling,
now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others), some of his recordings are quite
stunning, others quite infuriating. Would people like to say where he now
stands in the heirarchy of great pianists, and also mention some of their
Debussy
Schubert
Schumann
Scarlatti
Mozart
Liszt
Scriabin (Dan will disagree, I believe)
Rachmaninov
Some Chopin
The rest of the Chopin
I definitely agree with most of your list,
certainly with Chopin. I absolutely DO NOT
LIKE VH's Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov. I
find his Scriabin a mixed bag. Schubert
short pieces are fine, D960 is a mess. I
am also not happy with some of his Liszt.

All things considered, I think Horowitz is
both very much over-rated and under-rated,
and rather misunderstood. IMHO his finest
achievements were Scarlatti, Schumann,
Clementi, Mendelssohn, Debussy and some
Liszt.

I find many of his most famous recordings
too annoying to listen to anymore, and
that includes the 1932 Liszt Sonata.

I also find all his concerto recordings
(except for Mozart) totally disgusting,
Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky in particular.



dk
Herman Jurjus
2003-09-04 07:55:05 UTC
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"Dan Koren" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f567e1e$***@news.meer.net...
[snip]
Post by Dan Koren
I also find all his concerto recordings
(except for Mozart) totally disgusting,
Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky in particular.
How about his 2nd Brahms (with Toscanini, 1943 or so) ?

Cheers,
Herman Jurjus
Ian Pace
2003-09-17 00:21:02 UTC
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Much of my Horowitz collection is still on LP only, and the sheer
number of recordings and duplications is bewildering. I'd be really
grateful if some seasoned Horowitz collector would give a list of what
they recommend is the easiest and cheapest way to build a collection
of the near-complete Horowitz on CD. Obviously I realize the starting
point is to get all the collections by EMI, RCA, Sony, and DG, but it
seems some of this is duplicated on Naxos and the GPOC sets (all three
of which I have). And then there's all the many recordings on smaller
labels with lots of unreleased material. Quality of transfers is
obviously a factor as well. All help in this respect would be most
appreciated!

Best,
Ian
Post by Andy Evans
I was getting used to not reading too much in this ng about Horowitz, but I've
seen his name mentioned more lately. I wonder how his reputation is settling,
now he's gone. For me (and I'm sure others), some of his recordings are quite
stunning, others quite infuriating. Would people like to say where he now
stands in the heirarchy of great pianists, and also mention some of their
Debussy
Schubert
Schumann
Scarlatti
Mozart
Liszt
Scriabin (Dan will disagree, I believe)
Rachmaninov
Some Chopin
The rest of the Chopin
=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.
Henk van Tuijl
2003-09-17 08:23:08 UTC
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Post by Ian Pace
Much of my Horowitz collection is still on LP only, and the sheer
number of recordings and duplications is bewildering. I'd be really
grateful if some seasoned Horowitz collector would give a list of what
they recommend is the easiest and cheapest way to build a collection
of the near-complete Horowitz on CD. Obviously I realize the starting
point is to get all the collections by EMI, RCA, Sony, and DG, but it
seems some of this is duplicated on Naxos and the GPOC sets (all three
of which I have). And then there's all the many recordings on smaller
labels with lots of unreleased material. Quality of transfers is
obviously a factor as well. All help in this respect would be most
appreciated!
There is a new 12-CD set of Sony and a
new 6-CD set of DG with re-releases.

If I had only the GPOC set, I would
start with Naxos and these sets.

Of course, duplications with GPOC and
Naxos cannot be completely avoided .

Henk
Ian Pace
2003-09-17 13:57:23 UTC
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Post by Henk van Tuijl
Post by Ian Pace
Much of my Horowitz collection is still on LP only, and the sheer
number of recordings and duplications is bewildering. I'd be really
grateful if some seasoned Horowitz collector would give a list of what
they recommend is the easiest and cheapest way to build a collection
of the near-complete Horowitz on CD. Obviously I realize the starting
point is to get all the collections by EMI, RCA, Sony, and DG, but it
seems some of this is duplicated on Naxos and the GPOC sets (all three
of which I have). And then there's all the many recordings on smaller
labels with lots of unreleased material. Quality of transfers is
obviously a factor as well. All help in this respect would be most
appreciated!
There is a new 12-CD set of Sony and a
new 6-CD set of DG with re-releases.
If I had only the GPOC set, I would
start with Naxos and these sets.
Of course, duplications with GPOC and
Naxos cannot be completely avoided .
Henk
Thanks - I'm thinking more of all the releases on other labels as well
- which of these contain material that can't be got on the stuff from
the majors?

Ian
Henk van Tuijl
2003-09-17 15:02:06 UTC
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Post by Ian Pace
Thanks - I'm thinking more of all the releases on other labels as well
- which of these contain material that can't be got on the stuff from
the majors?
Please, go to Christian Johansson's excellent
Horowitz website for _complete_ information
about all other releases.

The address is:
http://w1.854.telia.com/~u85420275/

Henk
d***@yahoo.com
2003-09-17 14:52:15 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:23:08 +0200, "Henk van Tuijl"
Post by Henk van Tuijl
Post by Ian Pace
Much of my Horowitz collection is still on LP only, and the sheer
number of recordings and duplications is bewildering. I'd be really
grateful if some seasoned Horowitz collector would give a list of what
they recommend is the easiest and cheapest way to build a collection
of the near-complete Horowitz on CD. Obviously I realize the starting
point is to get all the collections by EMI, RCA, Sony, and DG, but it
seems some of this is duplicated on Naxos and the GPOC sets (all three
of which I have). And then there's all the many recordings on smaller
labels with lots of unreleased material. Quality of transfers is
obviously a factor as well. All help in this respect would be most
appreciated!
There is a new 12-CD set of Sony and a
new 6-CD set of DG with re-releases.
If I had only the GPOC set, I would
start with Naxos and these sets.
Of course, duplications with GPOC and
Naxos cannot be completely avoided .
Henk
There is NO Sony material in the GPE volumes; the repertoire was
"unavailable"!!!

So, you could start with the Sony set.

The best transfers of the 78 RPM material was done by Bryan Crimp for
APR incidentally. They are expensive, but the quality is very high.

TD
A. Brain
2003-09-17 22:44:02 UTC
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Post by d***@yahoo.com
So, you could start with the Sony set.
The best transfers of the 78 RPM material was done by Bryan Crimp for
APR incidentally. They are expensive, but the quality is very high.
What's with the new two CD set with a bonus DVD
of Horowitz? I saw it at my local store at a one CD
price of $17.99. Seems like a pretty good deal.

Anyone have it? I haven't seen it advertized or discussed
here.
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Matthew B. Tepper
2003-09-18 04:30:57 UTC
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Post by d***@yahoo.com
So, you could start with the Sony set.
The best transfers of the 78 RPM material was done by Bryan Crimp for
APR incidentally. They are expensive, but the quality is very high.
What's with the new two CD set with a bonus DVD of Horowitz? I saw it at
my local store at a one CD price of $17.99. Seems like a pretty good
deal.
Anyone have it? I haven't seen it advertized or discussed here.
What are the contents?
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A. Brain
2003-09-18 06:19:01 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
What are the contents?
Well, I decided to go ahead and pick it up,
especially after a wonderful and upbeat
experience at a Wesley Clark for President
"meet-up" tonight. Bush is toast.

The contents are:

CD 1: Liszt, Chopin, Scriabin, Schubert, Scarlatti,
Rachmaninoff, and Schumann short pieces.

CD 2: Mozart Concerto 23; Schumann Kreisleriana
Mozart Rondo, K.511; Liszt/Horowitz "Ehemals";
Schubert: Moment Musical D. 780, No. 3

DVD: (recording session of the Mozart concerto)
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Samir Golescu
2003-09-18 07:01:34 UTC
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Post by A. Brain
Well, I decided to go ahead and pick it up,
especially after a wonderful and upbeat
experience at a Wesley Clark for President
"meet-up" tonight. Bush is toast.
Yeah -- I bet GWB couldn't get the job of CNN "I've gotten it all wrong
but I'm not ashamed" kibbitz from Mr. Clark -- he can sleep well.

regards,
SG (:
Henk van Tuijl
2003-09-18 08:06:46 UTC
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Post by A. Brain
What's with the new two CD set with a bonus DVD
of Horowitz? I saw it at my local store at a one CD
price of $17.99. Seems like a pretty good deal.
Anyone have it? I haven't seen it advertized or discussed
here.
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A. Brain
Do you mean the DG set:

Mozart:Klavierkonzert Nr.23 KV 488 (La Scala
Orchestra, Giulini)
Liszt, Chopin, Scriabin, Schubert, Scarlatti,
Bach/Busoni, Rachmaninoff, Schumann, Mozart

DVD-Video "Horowitz plays Mozart":
documentary about the recording of Mozart
KV 488 with Carlo Maria Giulini

Or do you mean the Sony set:

Restoration of the original recital
"Carnegie Hall Return Concert" 1965:
Bach/Busoni:Toccata, Adagio & Fuge BWV 564
Schumann:Fantasie op.17;Träumerei aus op.15;
Kinderszenen op.15 (1962) +Chopin:Mazurka
Nr.21;Ballade Nr.1;Etüde Nr.8 +Scriabin:
Klaviersonate Nr.9;Poeme Nr.1 +Zugaben von
Debussy, Scriabin, Moszkowski, Schumann

Bonus-DVD (Video):documentary with
interviews and recordings of repetitions.

Henk
Henk van Tuijl
2003-09-18 09:03:11 UTC
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Post by Henk van Tuijl
Post by A. Brain
What's with the new two CD set with a bonus DVD
of Horowitz? I saw it at my local store at a one CD
price of $17.99. Seems like a pretty good deal.
Anyone have it? I haven't seen it advertized or discussed
here.
--
A. Brain
Mozart:Klavierkonzert Nr.23 KV 488 (La Scala
Orchestra, Giulini)
Liszt, Chopin, Scriabin, Schubert, Scarlatti,
Bach/Busoni, Rachmaninoff, Schumann, Mozart
documentary about the recording of Mozart
KV 488 with Carlo Maria Giulini
Restoration of the original recital
Bach/Busoni:Toccata, Adagio & Fuge BWV 564
Schumann:Fantasie op.17;Träumerei aus op.15;
Kinderszenen op.15 (1962) +Chopin:Mazurka
Klaviersonate Nr.9;Poeme Nr.1 +Zugaben von
Debussy, Scriabin, Moszkowski, Schumann
Bonus-DVD (Video):documentary with
interviews and recordings of repetitions.
Henk
REPETITIONS --> REHEARSALS

Henk
kenneth kwan
2003-09-19 03:57:38 UTC
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from www.jpc.de, looks like sony is re-re-releasing horowitz stuff in
a new edition again.

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