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Herschel Grynszpan
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Zionazi
2024-11-14 08:14:21 UTC
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„Herschel Feibel Grynszpan (Yiddish: הערשל פײַבל גרינשפּאן; German:
Hermann Grünspan; 28 March 1921 – last rumoured to be alive in 1945,
declared dead in 1960) was a Polish-Jewish expatriate born and raised in
Weimar Germany who shot and killed the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath on
7 November 1938 in Paris. The Nazis used this assassination as a pretext
to launch Kristallnacht, "The Night of Broken Glass", the pogrom of 9–10
November 1938. Grynszpan was seized by the Gestapo after the Fall of
France and brought to Germany; his further fate remains unknown.“

A hero.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Grynszpan
Zionazi
2024-11-14 08:16:23 UTC
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„It is generally believed that Grynszpan wanted to assassinate Johannes
von Welczeck, the German ambassador to France.[16] As he entered the
embassy Grynszpan walked past von Welczeck, who was leaving for his
daily morning walk. At 9:45 am, Grynszpan identified himself as a German
resident at the reception desk and asked to see an embassy official; he
did not ask for anyone by name. He claimed to be a spy with important
intelligence which he had to give to the most senior diplomat available,
preferably the ambassador. Unaware that he had just walked past von
Welczeck, Grynszpan asked if he could see "His Excellency, the
ambassador" to hand over the "most important document" he claimed to
have.[17] The clerk on duty asked Ernst vom Rath, the junior of the two
embassy officials available, to see him. When Grynszpan entered vom
Rath's office, vom Rath asked to see the "most important document".
Grynszpan pulled out his gun, and shot him five times in the abdomen.
According to the French police account, he shouted right before pulling
out his gun: "You're a filthy boche! In the name of 12,000 persecuted
Jews, here is the document!"“
DeepBlue
2024-11-14 09:10:24 UTC
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Post by Zionazi
Hermann Grünspan; 28 March 1921 – last rumoured
to be alive in 1945, declared dead in 1960) was
a Polish-Jewish expatriate born and raised in
Weimar Germany who shot and killed the German
diplomat Ernst vom Rath on 7 November 1938 in
Paris. The Nazis used this assassination as a
pretext to launch Kristallnacht, "The Night of
Broken Glass", the pogrom of 9–10 November 1938.
Grynszpan was seized by the Gestapo after the
Fall of France and brought to Germany; his further
fate remains unknown.“
A hero.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Grynszpan
Sounds like a great libretto for an opera.

Are you wwriting it? Are you channeling
Meowszart's spirit?

Cheers!
Zionazi
2024-11-14 10:52:36 UTC
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Post by DeepBlue
Post by Zionazi
Hermann Grünspan; 28 March 1921 – last rumoured
to be alive in 1945, declared dead in 1960) was
a Polish-Jewish expatriate born and raised in
Weimar Germany who shot and killed the German
diplomat Ernst vom Rath on 7 November 1938 in
Paris. The Nazis used this assassination as a
pretext to launch Kristallnacht, "The Night of
Broken Glass", the pogrom of 9–10 November 1938.
Grynszpan was seized by the Gestapo after the
Fall of France and brought to Germany; his further
fate remains unknown.“
A hero.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Grynszpan
Sounds like a great libretto for an opera.
Are you wwriting it? Are you channeling
Meowszart's spirit?
Cheers!
„ A Child of Our Time is a secular oratorio by the British composer
Michael Tippett, who also wrote the libretto. Composed between 1939 and
1941, it was first performed at the Adelphi Theatre, London, on 19 March
1944. The work was inspired by events that profoundly affected Tippett:
the assassination of a German diplomat by a young Jewish refugee in
1938, and the Nazi government's reaction to the assassination which was
in the form of a violent pogrom against Germany's Jewish population:
Kristallnacht.“

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Child_of_Our_Time

Haven’t heard it — and not sure what to think about this idea…

„ Tippett's oratorio deals with these incidents in the context of the
experiences of all oppressed people, and it carries a strongly
pacifistic message of ultimate understanding and reconciliation. The
text's recurrent themes of shadow and light reflect the Jungian
psychoanalysis which Tippett underwent in the years immediately before
he wrote the work.“

lol… using this to convey a pacifist message? No — A Declaration of War
on all Antisemites should be the message — just as Herschel has shown
us.
Zionazi
2024-11-14 11:01:16 UTC
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„ Tippett's oratorio deals with these incidents in the context of the
experiences of all oppressed people“

This is also funny… fuck oppressed people who are antisemites

Its also funny how the oppressed people often - like the fakestinians -
don’t even realize who and what they are oppressed by: their leaders and
Islamic ideology… and since they are brainwashed by them they become
like them — but then they blame the Jews —- just like the Germans did.
Zionazi
2024-11-14 11:09:51 UTC
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Kind of funny also how Grynszpan serves as a model for „all oppressed
people“ - not even being mentioned by name by Tipett - let me get this
straight: Grynszpan was Jewish and the Nazis planned to rid the world of
Jews — not of arabs of Africans…

There is a difference - which I have often pointed out - between racism
and antisemitism…

In 99% of cases there is no reconciliation possible with antisemites —
similar to how Dan will never be able to reflect truthfully on some of
his behaviour…
Zionazi
2024-11-14 11:14:01 UTC
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Antisemites like Herman and selfhating Jews/antisemites like cheregi
should be pushed to the edge of society where they can rot away quietly
—- they should not be accepted in any civilized society — but in this NG
people happily discuss things with degenerates like pluted
Zionazi
2024-11-14 11:37:13 UTC
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Basically - from what I see - Herschel becomes dejudaized by Tipett and
made into some abstract oppressed thing… Antisemitism - which led to
Herschel‘s tragic fate - doesn’t even get mentioned

The story of Herschel is not about a „child of our time“ but of „a
Jewish child of our time“ — fucking retarded Tipett
Zionazi
2024-11-14 13:12:58 UTC
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FWIW — difference between antisemitism and racism again:

— In short, however, the distinction is quite fundamental: affected by
the fetish, the subject cannot make sense of the capitalist realities it
is surrounded by, but seeks to alleviate its struggles. That's where
anti-semitism comes in: the Jews are depicted as powerful, invisible,
superior, ghost-like forces that control the world in secret. This
characterization is exactly the same as the one Marx used to describe
value. But because value itself isn't seizable, the subject is forced
into blaming the circumstances onto somebody else, hence the Jews.
Anti-semites see Jews as superior, not inferior, which is the major
difference to racism.
A racist tries to explain e.g. an african-american person's character by
projecting stereotypes on them, but an anti-semite tries to explain the
world's character by "pathetically projecting "
(Adorno/Horkheimer/Löwenthal) the realities onto Jews. A racist would be
content with not having to see the "inferiors", Anti-semites are
paranoid about somebody else running the strings and holding the world
hostage. Because they want to "liberate themselves" from those in
control, the only consequence is annihilation, or as Postone put it
"extermination for the sake of extermination". In short: people are
perplexed by the dimension of value and instead see Jews as personifying
the effect value has, which is why the shoah was the
"negative sublation of capital". In the process of extermination, the
Germans' societal structure vanished, and whether one was a worker or a
major capitalist didn't matter anymore; all that mattered was that they
were united in chasing the enemy, the Jews, and thus molded into a
"Volksgemeinschaft", a people's community.

The answer to your second question is simple:

Anti-semitism has never ceased to exist; its direct communication is
just widely condemned, which is why a different valve is found through
which Anti-semites channel their delirium. Most of the time it's Israel,
the country which isn't just "the state of the Jews" but their only
weapon against annihilation. Neither communist utopia nor bourgeois
enlightenment saved them but pure weaponry. There is barely anything
special about Israel in comparison to other countries but yet it is the
most educated folks, yes even some Jews, that despise it the most.
Adorno and Horkheimer sensed that so they were appalled to see their
students turn on them. We find it weird that the Nazis hated ordinary
people, but at the same time the hatred for Israel is widely accepted as
"legitimate criticism", although 99% of its critics have very little to
no idea about the realities there. Alvin Rosenfeld's essay
"Progressive Jewish Thought and the New Anti-Semitism" is far from
perfect but has a lot of good points on that.

The string of theory that most closely followed Adorno and Horkheimer in
Germany is radically pro-Israel today, which is why I refuse to refer to
postmodernists or postcolonials as critical theory - they may have some
valid points in some areas, but understand very little of what
anti-semitism even means and therefore have no instruments for
understanding the existence of Israel.

The second way of avoiding Jews while adhering to anti-semitic
structures is the hatred for "finance capitalism" and so forth, totally
ignoring the fetish and its consequences. Once again there's not a lot
of literature on the antisemitism perpetuated by Occupy protestors or
other vulgar "anti-capitalists" in english but the mechanism is quite
similar https:// thecharnelhouse.org/2016/05/02/structural-
antisemitism/ —
DeepBlue
2024-11-15 04:46:06 UTC
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Post by Zionazi
Hermann Grünspan; 28 March 1921 – last rumoured to be alive in 1945,
declared dead in 1960) was a Polish-Jewish expatriate born and raised in
Weimar Germany who shot and killed the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath on
7 November 1938 in Paris. The Nazis used this assassination as a pretext
to launch Kristallnacht, "The Night of Broken Glass", the pogrom of 9–10
November 1938. Grynszpan was seized by the Gestapo after the Fall of
France and brought to Germany; his further fate remains unknown.“
A hero.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Grynszpan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Anielewicz

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