Discussion:
Beethoven 7th - Munch/Boston
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Sacqueboutier
2008-09-25 19:34:36 UTC
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How many times did Munch record the Beethoven 7th?

I have RCA L 16307. It's a mono LP and in pretty
bad condition. I'd like to know if this is on CD and
was it also issued in stereo.

Pierre offers a mono recording from 1949. Is that
the same recording that I have?
--
Kindest regards,

Don Patterson
Benoit D
2008-09-25 20:17:38 UTC
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How many times did Munch record the Beethoven 7th?
I know three versions, 1 studio and 2 live recordings.

BSO - 12/19/1949 - RCA
BSO - 10/15/1954 (live) - West Hill Radio Archives
Orchestre National de France - 12/20/1963 (live) - Montaigne
Post by Sacqueboutier
Pierre offers a mono recording from 1949. Is that
the same recording that I have?
Certainly.
--
Benoit
D***@aol.com
2008-09-25 20:32:35 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
How many times did Munch record the Beethoven 7th?
I know three versions, 1 studio and 2 live recordings.
BSO - 12/19/1949 - RCA
BSO - 10/15/1954 (live) - West Hill Radio Archives
Orchestre National de France - 12/20/1963 (live) - Montaigne
Post by Sacqueboutier
Pierre offers a mono recording from 1949. �Is that
the same recording that I have?
Certainly.
--
Benoit
Munch recorded the symphony commercially once -- the Victor BSO
version, 12/19/49. No stereo then. If you have a commercial RCA
release, that's it. It's what Pierre offered, I believe. Other
versions are recordings of live performance broadcasts.

There is also the PBS telecast of a Munch/BSO Beethoven 7th from
about 1959. I have a recording of the sound, from television. The
sound is compromised; but the performance is stupendous. Even though
the trumpets come in a bit early in the coda of the finale. Munch at
his greatest.

Don Tait
Sacqueboutier
2008-09-25 21:04:24 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
How many times did Munch record the Beethoven 7th?
I know three versions, 1 studio and 2 live recordings.
BSO - 12/19/1949 - RCA
BSO - 10/15/1954 (live) - West Hill Radio Archives
Orchestre National de France - 12/20/1963 (live) - Montaigne
Post by Sacqueboutier
Pierre offers a mono recording from 1949. �Is that
the same recording that I have?
Certainly.
--
Benoit
Munch recorded the symphony commercially once -- the Victor BSO
version, 12/19/49. No stereo then. If you have a commercial RCA
release, that's it. It's what Pierre offered, I believe. Other
versions are recordings of live performance broadcasts.
There is also the PBS telecast of a Munch/BSO Beethoven 7th from
about 1959. I have a recording of the sound, from television. The
sound is compromised; but the performance is stupendous. Even though
the trumpets come in a bit early in the coda of the finale. Munch at
his greatest.
Don Tait
Thanks to all who responded.

I have the commercial RCA LP, but it's in pretty bad shape.
I can post if anyone is interested, but if you really want
this recording, you might want to seek out a Japanese
issue or knock on the front door of Haydn House.
--
Kindest regards,

Don Patterson
Frank Berger
2008-09-25 21:20:38 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
How many times did Munch record the Beethoven 7th?
I know three versions, 1 studio and 2 live recordings.
BSO - 12/19/1949 - RCA
BSO - 10/15/1954 (live) - West Hill Radio Archives
Orchestre National de France - 12/20/1963 (live) - Montaigne
Post by Sacqueboutier
Pierre offers a mono recording from 1949. ?Is that
the same recording that I have?
Certainly.
--
Benoit
Munch recorded the symphony commercially once -- the Victor BSO
version, 12/19/49. No stereo then. If you have a commercial RCA
release, that's it. It's what Pierre offered, I believe. Other
versions are recordings of live performance broadcasts.
There is also the PBS telecast of a Munch/BSO Beethoven 7th from
about 1959. I have a recording of the sound, from television. The
sound is compromised; but the performance is stupendous. Even though
the trumpets come in a bit early in the coda of the finale. Munch at
his greatest.
Don Tait
Thanks to all who responded.
I have the commercial RCA LP, but it's in pretty bad shape.
I can post if anyone is interested, but if you really want
this recording, you might want to seek out a Japanese
issue or knock on the front door of Haydn House.
--
Kindest regards,
Don Patterson
The 1963 French one seems to be available. Search Amazon for "Beethoven
symphony Munch France"
Todd Schurk
2008-09-26 00:40:43 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
How many times did Munch record the Beethoven 7th?
I know three versions, 1 studio and 2 live recordings.
BSO - 12/19/1949 - RCA
BSO - 10/15/1954 (live) - West Hill Radio Archives
Orchestre National de France - 12/20/1963 (live) - Montaigne
Post by Sacqueboutier
Pierre offers a mono recording from 1949. ?Is that
the same recording that I have?
Certainly.
--
Benoit
Munch recorded the symphony commercially once -- the Victor BSO
version, 12/19/49. No stereo then. If you have a commercial RCA
release, that's it. It's what Pierre offered, I believe. Other
versions are recordings of live performance broadcasts.
There is also the PBS telecast of a Munch/BSO Beethoven 7th from
about 1959. I have a recording of the sound, from television. The
sound is compromised; but the performance is stupendous. Even though
the trumpets come in a bit early in the coda of the finale. Munch at
his greatest.
Don Tait
Thanks to all who responded.
I have the commercial RCA LP, but it's in pretty bad shape.
I can post if anyone is interested, but if you really want
this recording, you might want to seek out a Japanese
issue or knock on the front door of Haydn House.
--
Kindest regards,
Don Patterson
The 1963 French one seems to be available. Search Amazon for "Beethoven
symphony Munch France"
There is also a "live" performance of the LvB 7th symphony with the
BSO/Munch circa '55 contained in a West Hill Radio set of 5 discs of
Munch/Beethoven live. Available from European sites such as MDT & JPC.
Todd
Benoit D
2008-09-25 21:25:35 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
I have the commercial RCA LP, but it's in pretty bad shape.
I can post if anyone is interested, but if you really want
this recording, you might want to seek out a Japanese
issue or knock on the front door of Haydn House.
This recording has also been reissued by Tahra in a good sound (coupled
with other 78 rpms: Beethoven's Congratulation Menuet + Brahms' Violin
concerto + ...), but it seems unavailable now.
Tahra TAH 528-529
http://tinyurl.com/533nof
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Benoît
D***@aol.com
2008-09-25 22:00:27 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
I have the commercial RCA LP, but it's in pretty bad shape.
I can post if anyone is interested, but if you really want
this recording, you might want to seek out a Japanese
issue or knock on the front door of Haydn House.
This recording has also been reissued by Tahra in a good sound (coupled
with other 78 rpms: Beethoven's Congratulation Menuet + Brahms' Violin
concerto + ...), but it seems unavailable now.
Tahra TAH 528-529http://tinyurl.com/533nof
The "Gratulations-Menuett" with Munch/BSO was the tenth-side filler
on the 78 and 45 rpm sets of the 1949 Beethoven 7th. It's one of the
great Munch/BSO rarities.

Don Tait
l***@gmail.com
2008-09-26 04:18:41 UTC
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The "Gratulations-Menuett" with Munch/BSO was the tenth-side filler
on the 78 and 45 rpm sets of the 1949 Beethoven 7th. It's one of the
great Munch/BSO rarities.
Don Tait
Oh my, this IS a trip in the Wayback Machine. The first time I heard
this recording was on Don Tait's "Collector's Corner" radio program,
probably back around 1984 or '85. I assume he's the same Don Tait who
posts so knowlegably on this board? As I recall, he included the
Minuet in the program.

These are probably the least-known of Munch's Boston recordings; when
it came time for reissues, RCA has plenty of stereo Munch material,
and the Reiner LvB 7. Still, I've always thought of this 7th as one of
Munch's best records.

I wonder if there's any chance of the PBS telecast 7th showing up on a
VAI DVD someday.......
t***@yahoo.com
2008-09-26 04:52:16 UTC
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These are probably the least-known of Munch's Boston recordings; when
it came time for reissues, RCA has plenty of stereo Munch material,
and the Reiner LvB 7. Still, I've always thought of this 7th as one of
Munch's best records.
I wonder if there's any chance of the PBS telecast 7th showing up on a
VAI DVD someday.......
On a semirelated subject,why did it take RCA over twenty years to get
around to issuing the stereo "Pastoral"?

I was not aware PBS rebroadcast the old ABC telecasts of Munch.We
never got that here,but then again we don't get a lot of the PBS
stuff.

Roger
D***@aol.com
2008-09-26 18:21:28 UTC
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Post by l***@gmail.com
I wonder if there's any chance of the PBS telecast 7th showing up on a
VAI DVD someday.......
On a semirelated subject,why did it take RCA over twenty years to get
around to issuing the stereo "Pastoral"?
One would have to have access to someone at RCA "in the know," but I
would assume that it was because in 1959 RCA Victor issued a new
Pastoral in stereo and mono with Monteux and the Vienna Philharmonic
-- part of a projected complete Monteux Beethoven cycle. Stereo LPs
were new, and there might have seemed no point in reissuing the Munch
in the new format. Especially because its sales might detract from the
new Monteux. Then RCA recorded the symphony with Reiner/CSO in April
1961.
Post by t***@yahoo.com
I was not aware PBS rebroadcast the old ABC telecasts of Munch.We
never got that here,but then again we don't get a lot of the PBS
stuff.
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �Roger
ABC was not involved in those telecasts. They were produced by PBS.

Don Tait
t***@yahoo.com
2008-09-28 00:03:02 UTC
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Post by t***@yahoo.com
Post by l***@gmail.com
I wonder if there's any chance of the PBS telecast 7th showing up on a
VAI DVD someday.......
On a semirelated subject,why did it take RCA over twenty years to get
around to issuing the stereo "Pastoral"?
  One would have to have access to someone at RCA "in the know," but I
would assume that it was because in 1959 RCA Victor issued a new
Pastoral in stereo and mono with Monteux and the Vienna Philharmonic
-- part of a projected complete Monteux Beethoven cycle. Stereo LPs
were new, and there might have seemed no point in reissuing the Munch
in the new format. Especially because its sales might detract from the
new Monteux. Then RCA recorded the symphony with Reiner/CSO in April
1961.
Post by t***@yahoo.com
I was not aware PBS rebroadcast the old ABC telecasts of Munch.We
never got that here,but then again we don't get a lot of the PBS
stuff.
Roger
  ABC was not involved in those telecasts. They were produced by PBS.
  Don Tait
I was referring to the original Munch/BSO telecasts from the 50s,and
early 60s,that were no doubt the source material,for the PBS
program.These WERE aired on ABC,if old issues of TV Guide,and the
liner notes of RCA Lps are be believed.In particular,I am referring
to that record with the black cover,on a gold RCA label,and the white
drawing of Munch on the cover.This was given out by banks around
1961,or '62,when you opened a new account.(My copy has a label on it
from the defunct Sandia Savings Bank,here in Albuquerque which states
this.I have seen it from other banks in other states.)This
specifically mentions on the back cover that there were regular BSO
telecasts on ABC,on Sunday afternoons.


Roger
D***@aol.com
2008-09-28 19:15:56 UTC
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Post by t***@yahoo.com
Post by l***@gmail.com
I wonder if there's any chance of the PBS telecast 7th showing up on a
VAI DVD someday.......
On a semirelated subject,why did it take RCA over twenty years to get
around to issuing the stereo "Pastoral"?
� One would have to have access to someone at RCA "in the know," but I
would assume that it was because in 1959 RCA Victor issued a new
Pastoral in stereo and mono with Monteux and the Vienna Philharmonic
-- part of a projected complete Monteux Beethoven cycle. Stereo LPs
were new, and there might have seemed no point in reissuing the Munch
in the new format. Especially because its sales might detract from the
new Monteux. Then RCA recorded the symphony with Reiner/CSO in April
1961.
Post by t***@yahoo.com
I was not aware PBS rebroadcast the old ABC telecasts of Munch.We
never got that here,but then again we don't get a lot of the PBS
stuff.
Roger
� ABC was not involved in those telecasts. They were produced by PBS.
� Don Tait
I was referring to the original Munch/BSO �telecasts from the 50s,and
early 60s,that were no doubt the source material,for the PBS
program.These WERE aired on ABC,if old issues of TV Guide,and the
liner notes of RCA Lps are be believed.In particular,I am referring
to �that record with the black cover,on a gold RCA label,and the white
drawing of Munch on the cover.This was given out by banks around
1961,or '62,when you opened a new account.(My copy has a label on it
from the defunct Sandia Savings Bank,here in Albuquerque which states
this.I have seen it from other banks in other states.)This
specifically mentions on the back cover that there were regular BSO
telecasts on ABC,on Sunday afternoons.
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �Roger
As Kevin Mostyn wrote in a previous post, those Boston Symphony
telecasts did *not* involve ABC -- by which I presume you mean the
American Broadcasting Company. They were produced by WGBH in Boston.
Perhaps some were shown on ABC in some outlets. In Chicago, where I
watched them, they were shown on WTTW, the local public television
station.

I know the RCA Victor LP to which you refer. I own one. Is your copy
also PR-133? With Schumann, Handel, Brahms, Ravel, and Prokofiev with
Munch/BSO and Nicole Henriot-Schweitzer in the one Prokofiev concero
movement? My copy credits Manufacturers Hanover Trust Company
--"presents this album as a souvenir of the TV series it sponsored."
The notes on the back of my copy make no mention of the telecasts
being on Sunday afternoons; but then your copy could have had notes
directed toward the customers of the bank you cite.

Spnsorship of a television program on a commercial station does not
necessarily have anything to do with the identity of its producers.
The fact that the BSO telecasts were shown on one or more ABC network
stations does not mean that ABC had anything to do with creating them.
WGBH in Boston did.

Don Tait
D***@aol.com
2008-09-28 23:05:43 UTC
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I wonder if there's any chance of the PBS telecast 7th showing up on a
VAI DVD someday.......
On a semirelated subject,why did it take RCA over twenty years to get
around to issuing the stereo "Pastoral"?
One would have to have access to someone at RCA "in the know," but I
would assume that it was because in 1959 RCA Victor issued a new
Pastoral in stereo and mono with Monteux and the Vienna Philharmonic
-- part of a projected complete Monteux Beethoven cycle. Stereo LPs
were new, and there might have seemed no point in reissuing the Munch
in the new format. Especially because its sales might detract from the
new Monteux. Then RCA recorded the symphony with Reiner/CSO in April
1961.
Post by t***@yahoo.com
I was not aware PBS rebroadcast the old ABC telecasts of Munch.We
never got that here,but then again we don't get a lot of the PBS
stuff.
Roger
ABC was not involved in those telecasts. They were produced by PBS.
Don Tait
I was referring to the original Munch/BSO telecasts from the 50s,and
early 60s,that were no doubt the source material,for the PBS
program.These WERE aired on ABC,if old issues of TV Guide,and the
liner notes of RCA Lps are be believed.In particular,I am referring
to that record with the black cover,on a gold RCA label,and the white
drawing of Munch on the cover.This was given out by banks around
1961,or '62,when you opened a new account.(My copy has a label on it
from the defunct Sandia Savings Bank,here in Albuquerque which states
this.I have seen it from other banks in other states.)This
specifically mentions on the back cover that there were regular BSO
telecasts on ABC,on Sunday afternoons.
Roger
� As Kevin Mostyn wrote in a previous post, those Boston Symphony
telecasts did *not* involve ABC -- by which I presume you mean the
American Broadcasting Company. They were produced by WGBH in Boston.
Perhaps some were shown on ABC in some outlets. In Chicago, where I
watched them, they were shown on WTTW, the local public television
station.
� I know the RCA Victor LP to which you refer. I own one. Is your copy
also PR-133? With Schumann, Handel, Brahms, Ravel, and Prokofiev with
Munch/BSO and Nicole Henriot-Schweitzer in the one Prokofiev concero
movement? My copy credits Manufacturers Hanover Trust Company
--"presents this album as a souvenir of the TV series it sponsored."
The notes on the back of my copy make no mention of the telecasts
being on Sunday afternoons; but then your copy could have had notes
directed toward the customers of the bank you cite.
� Spnsorship of a television program on a commercial station does not
necessarily have anything to do with the identity of its producers.
The fact that the BSO telecasts were shown on one or more ABC network
stations does not mean that ABC had anything to do with creating them.
WGBH in Boston did.
� Don Tait- Hide quoted text -
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Is your copy also RCA Victor PR-133?

Please respond and confirm.

Don Tait
yamahaha
2008-09-29 01:17:43 UTC
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I wonder if there's any chance of the PBS telecast 7th showing
up o
n a
Post by t***@yahoo.com
Post by l***@gmail.com
VAI DVD someday.......
On a semirelated subject,why did it take RCA over twenty years to
get around to issuing the stereo "Pastoral"?
ᅵ One would have to have access to someone at RCA "in the know,
" but I
would assume that it was because in 1959 RCA Victor issued a new
Pastoral in stereo and mono with Monteux and the Vienna
Philharmonic -- part of a projected complete Monteux Beethoven
cycle. Stereo LPs were new, and there might have seemed no point in
reissuing the Munch in the new format. Especially because its sales
might detract from the new Monteux. Then RCA recorded the symphony
with Reiner/CSO in April 1961.
Post by t***@yahoo.com
I was not aware PBS rebroadcast the old ABC telecasts of Munch.We
never got that here,but then again we don't get a lot of the PBS
stuff.
Roger
ᅵ ABC was not involved in those telecasts. They were produced b
y PBS.
ᅵ Don Tait
I was referring to the original Munch/BSO ï¿œtelecasts from the 50s
,and
early 60s,that were no doubt the source material,for the PBS
program.These WERE aired on ABC,if old issues of TV Guide,and the
liner notes of RCA Lps are be believed.In particular,I am referring
to ï¿œthat record with the black cover,on a gold RCA label,and the
white
drawing of Munch on the cover.This was given out by banks around
1961,or '62,when you opened a new account.(My copy has a label on it
from the defunct Sandia Savings Bank,here in Albuquerque which states
this.I have seen it from other banks in other states.)This
specifically mentions on the back cover that there were regular BSO
telecasts on ABC,on Sunday afternoons.
Roger
As Kevin Mostyn wrote in a previous post, those Boston Symphony
telecasts did *not* involve ABC -- by which I presume you mean the
American Broadcasting Company. They were produced by WGBH in Boston.
Perhaps some were shown on ABC in some outlets. In Chicago, where I
watched them, they were shown on WTTW, the local public television
station.
I know the RCA Victor LP to which you refer. I own one. Is your copy
also PR-133? With Schumann, Handel, Brahms, Ravel, and Prokofiev with
Munch/BSO and Nicole Henriot-Schweitzer in the one Prokofiev concero
movement? My copy credits Manufacturers Hanover Trust Company
--"presents this album as a souvenir of the TV series it sponsored."
The notes on the back of my copy make no mention of the telecasts
being on Sunday afternoons; but then your copy could have had notes
directed toward the customers of the bank you cite.
Spnsorship of a television program on a commercial station does not
necessarily have anything to do with the identity of its producers.
The fact that the BSO telecasts were shown on one or more ABC network
stations does not mean that ABC had anything to do with creating them.
WGBH in Boston did.
Don Tait
ABC _could_ stand for Australian BC. Original poster will have to
clarify.
D***@aol.com
2008-09-26 19:04:28 UTC
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� The "Gratulations-Menuett" with Munch/BSO was the tenth-side filler
on the 78 and 45 rpm sets of the 1949 Beethoven 7th. It's one of the
great Munch/BSO rarities.
� Don Tait
Oh my, this IS a trip in the Wayback Machine. The first time I heard
this recording was on Don Tait's "Collector's Corner" radio program,
probably back around 1984 or '85. I assume he's the same Don Tait who
posts so knowlegably on this board? As I recall, he included the
Minuet in the program.
These are probably the least-known of Munch's Boston recordings; when
it came time for reissues, RCA has plenty of stereo Munch material,
and the Reiner LvB 7. Still, I've always thought of this 7th as one of
Munch's best records.
I wonder if there's any chance of the PBS telecast 7th showing up on a
VAI DVD someday.......
You remember that "Collector's Item" Munch program? Wow. And yes,
that was/is me. Many thanks.

I'd love to see that PBS telecast of the Munch/BSO Beethoven 7th
again, so like you I'd love to see it show up on VAI some day.
Although it's been many years, I can still vivdly see Munch conducting
the end of the finale's coda with what amounted to huge horizontal
figure eights above his head: no vertical beats to speak of -- and the
trumpets came in a bit early. No problem. It comes to a shattering
close. What is most impressive as one listens to the audio portion of
the telecast is the unerring cumulative rhythmic grip of it all. (A
major part of the symphony of course, although by no means all of it.)
And Munch seems to have been among the relatively few number of
conductors who obeyed Beethoven's markings that the third movement
should be "presto" and the finale "allegro con brio": implying that
the fourth movement should be slower than the third. Munch did that.
What's more, he pulled it off.

Don Tait
Kevin P. Mostyn
2008-09-27 02:42:08 UTC
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A few comments:

1. The Munch telecasts were not produced by PBS. PBS did not exist during
Munch's lifetime.
2. They were produced by WGBH, which still has the rights.
3. It's because of WGBH's rights that not many have been issued. WGBH has an
unrealistic idea of their pecuniary value.
4. The VAI series may well be at an end.
5. Another party (my lips are sealed) is negotiating to pick up where VAI
left off.
6. Said party, whom I have known for several years, is a HUGE Munch fan. If
all works out, expect to see a large number of Munch titles, more than a
dozen.
7. The Munch Beethoven 7th videotape survives, I believe. I add that caution
because I have not watched the tape. Of course, I saw the broadcast as a
teenager, but who knows what is on the videotape or if it is playable.
Videotapes from that era are subject to many types of failures.

I have an inventory of the videotapes, made in 1975. On it is this entry:

Cond: Munch
Tape # S-032-58

Roussel: Suite in F
Piston: Concerto for Viola and Orchestra
Joseph de Pasquale, soloist
Beethoven: Symphony no. 7 in A, op. 92

Timings: Roussel: 16:22; Piston: no timing; Beethoven: 33:14

I do have a copy of Don's aural aircheck, but I do not have the time to
check these timings against it. Don, perhaps you can check if the timing of
the Beethoven matches your aircheck.

It's one of life's ironies and ambiguities that I had complete access to all
of the videotapes for several years. However, they were made on 2" Hi-Band
Quad tapes. I had no way of playing them and thus could not transfer them.
Later, I worked for a company that was also in the television broadcast
business and had many such machines, but by then I had left the BSTT and had
no access.

For many years these tapes and kinescopes were badly stored at a university
library in Boston. They were for some time just stacked under the well of a
staircase. They have not been preserved in other media, except as has been
necessary in the VAI process, and in a few projects associated with the
Pompidou Center in France.

8. A stereo recording exists of the Beethoven 7th with Munch and the BSO.
From Tanglewood, August 6, 1961. Fabulous sound and a typical Munch
performance.

9. When Munch was born, he was a German subject. Alsace had been
re-conquered by Germany in the Franco-Prussian war. Remember that Alsace had
originally been German (H.R.E.) and had been seized by the French during the
1600s. If Munch had not served on the German side during the Great War, he
would rightly have been considered a traitor. His rank was Feldwebel. Munch
lived and worked in Germany after the war, as Concert Master of the Leipzig
Gewandhaus under Furtwängler and Walter. When the Nazi's were in or near
power, he voted with his feet and moved to France. The fact that he married
an heiress to the Nestle fortune may have aided him in this decision making
process. Her fortune enabled him to launch his career as a conductor.
Reminds one of Koussevitzky.

10. Regarding the umlaut; he used it after the war and while guest
conducting in America. When he came to Boston, he dropped it. The
pronunciation in Boston was Charles Munch, not "Sharl Muench." After the
Boston period, the umlaut came back.

11. Munch hated the Nazis and was most unsympathetic to Nazi collaborators
and/or Party Members. The following story was told to me by Richard Kaye:

When Karajan was on tour with the Berlin Philharmonic, Munch gave strict
instructions that he was not to see or have anything to do with Karajan.
Unfortunately, when Munch was walking through the Hall, he accidentally came
into sight of Karajan, who was also walking through the Hall, with a group.
Those with Munch gasped, fearing a scene. However, to their amazement, Munch
broke out into a beatific smile and then ran towards Karajan, with his arms
outstretched.

...and he ran slightly past Karajan, hugged a man standing near to Karajan
and they broke out into animated, joyous German conversation.

The man had been in the Leipzig orchestra with Munch. They had not seen each
other for decades. They walked off and discussed old times, laughing and
smiling.

Karajan was totally ignored, as if he didn't exist.
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<big snip>

You remember that "Collector's Item" Munch program? Wow. And yes,
that was/is me. Many thanks.

I'd love to see that PBS telecast of the Munch/BSO Beethoven 7th
again, so like you I'd love to see it show up on VAI some day.
Although it's been many years, I can still vivdly see Munch conducting
the end of the finale's coda with what amounted to huge horizontal
figure eights above his head: no vertical beats to speak of -- and the
trumpets came in a bit early. No problem. It comes to a shattering
close. What is most impressive as one listens to the audio portion of
the telecast is the unerring cumulative rhythmic grip of it all. (A
major part of the symphony of course, although by no means all of it.)
And Munch seems to have been among the relatively few number of
conductors who obeyed Beethoven's markings that the third movement
should be "presto" and the finale "allegro con brio": implying that
the fourth movement should be slower than the third. Munch did that.
What's more, he pulled it off.

Don Tait
Matthew B. Tepper
2008-09-27 14:11:44 UTC
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Thank you for all of your amplifications and comments on what has gone
before! I hope there will be more Munch video material, and I hope there is
at least some Berlioz included.

And I loved the ignoring-Karajan story.
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2008-09-27 18:43:08 UTC
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Post by Kevin P. Mostyn
1. The Munch telecasts were not produced by PBS. PBS did not exist during
Munch's lifetime.
Thanks for the clarification. I was reacting to the statement that
they had been made by ABC and to the fact that I watched them here in
Chicago on WTTW, a PBS station. However, I now remember credits for
WGBH on the telecasts.
Post by Kevin P. Mostyn
2. They were produced by WGBH, which still has the rights.
3. It's because of WGBH's rights that not many have been issued. WGBH has an
unrealistic idea of their pecuniary value.
4. The VAI series may well be at an end.
I was told the same thing about CSO video releases on VAI. Many
things survive, although only after about 1960; but there is another
Stokowski/CSO telecast, for instance, more Reiner, at least one
Cluytens, and more. But I was told that after VAI issued the surviving
Szell/CSO telecasts (which they thought would be the best-sellers),
they lost interest.
Post by Kevin P. Mostyn
5. Another party (my lips are sealed) is negotiating to pick up where VAI
left off.
6. Said party, whom I have known for several years, is a HUGE Munch fan. If
all works out, expect to see a large number of Munch titles, more than a
dozen.
That would be marvellous. As the saying goes, I await developments.
Post by Kevin P. Mostyn
7. The Munch Beethoven 7th videotape survives, I believe. I add that caution
because I have not watched the tape. Of course, I saw the broadcast as a
teenager, but who knows what is on the videotape or if it is playable.
Videotapes from that era are subject to many types of failures.
Cond: Munch
Tape # S-032-58
Roussel: Suite in F
Piston: Concerto for Viola and Orchestra
� � Joseph de Pasquale, soloist
Beethoven: Symphony no. 7 in A, op. 92
Timings: Roussel: 16:22; Piston: no timing; Beethoven: 33:14
I do have a copy of Don's aural aircheck, but I do not have the time to
check these timings against it. Don, perhaps you can check if the timing of
the Beethoven matches your aircheck.
Kevin, I'm afraid I don't have time to set things up so that I can
play my original off-televison tape. It's survived in good condition.
I do have a CD dubbing of it that involved two other people and their
machines, so the pitch might have been affected (I make no claims for
an accurate sense of pitch); what my CD player shows is 36:35. That
includes the pauses between the movements and the final applause plus
William Pierce's announcements though, and the latter is 1:57. I'll
try to get the tape business working and report what my original off-
television tape's timing is..
Post by Kevin P. Mostyn
10. Regarding the umlaut; he used it after the war and while guest
conducting in America. When he came to Boston, he dropped it. The
pronunciation in Boston was Charles Munch, not "Sharl Muench." After the
Boston period, the umlaut came back.
Thanks for the clarification.
Post by Kevin P. Mostyn
11. Munch hated the Nazis and was most unsympathetic to Nazi collaborators
When Karajan was on tour with the Berlin Philharmonic, Munch gave strict
instructions that he was not to see or have anything to do with Karajan.
Unfortunately, when Munch was walking through the Hall, he accidentally came
into sight of Karajan, who was also walking through the Hall, with a group.
Those with Munch gasped, fearing a scene. However, to their amazement, Munch
broke out into a beatific smile and then ran towards Karajan, with his arms
outstretched.
...and he ran slightly past Karajan, hugged a man standing near to Karajan
and they broke out into animated, joyous German conversation.
The man had been in the Leipzig orchestra with Munch. They had not seen each
other for decades. They walked off and discussed old times, laughing and
smiling.
Karajan was totally ignored, as if he didn't exist.
Fascinating. Thanks. I have just been re-reading Richard Osborne's
huge biography of Karajan, in which he states that there was a "brief
seating rehearsal" by Karajan and the Philhamonia Orchestra in
Boston's Symphony Hall on November 19, 1955 (for the final concert of
their USA tour). Osborne wrote that present were numerous BSO players,
waiting to take their Philharmonia counterparts to lunch, "and Charles
Munch, the orchestra's music director, a man much admired by
Karajan" (page 396). Perhaps Munch managed to evade Karajan that time.

By the way, regarding your story about Munch snubbing Karajan by
greeting someone else. I heard a remarkably similar one from a member
of the Fine Arts Quartet. He said that when Sir Thomas Beecham re-
signed with EMI in 1955, the word went around EMI headquarters that
Beecham and Karajan must at all costs be kept apart because Beecham
despised Karajan. Karajan was noted for his courtesy and excellent
manners, but Beecham was different and might say something outrageous,
insult one of EMI's other most important artistic assets and possibly
drive him into the hands of another record company.

The strategy worked until one day an EMI executive was in an
elevator with one of them, the car stopped, and the other walked on.
The executive knew the worst nightmare had arrived, but he had to do
something. So he said "Sir Thomas, may I introduce you to Herbert von
Karajan?" With which Beecham turned to the elevator operator and
bellowed "how do you do?"

It's the story he told; I have no independent confirmation.

Thanks for the information, Kevin. I'll see if I can get the tape-
playing stuff working soon nto check my audio tape of Munch's
Beethoven 7th.

Don Tait
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Matthew B. Tepper
2008-09-27 18:55:37 UTC
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Another great snubbing-Karajan story! Too bad there aren't enough of them to
make a book, or two, as there are of Beecham stories in general (at least).
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O
2008-09-27 20:04:42 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Another great snubbing-Karajan story! Too bad there aren't enough of them to
make a book, or two, as there are of Beecham stories in general (at least).
Imagine being Fluffy's therapist? "All the time, I think people are
snubbing me!"

-Owen
Matthew B. Tepper
2008-09-27 20:07:28 UTC
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Post by O
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Another great snubbing-Karajan story! Too bad there aren't enough of
them to make a book, or two, as there are of Beecham stories in general
(at least).
Imagine being Fluffy's therapist? "All the time, I think people are
snubbing me!"
Cabbie: "Where to, Herr?"

HvK: "It doesn't matter; they're snubbing me everywhere!"
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O
2008-09-27 20:13:18 UTC
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Post by O
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Another great snubbing-Karajan story! Too bad there aren't enough of
them to make a book, or two, as there are of Beecham stories in general
(at least).
Imagine being Fluffy's therapist? "All the time, I think people are
snubbing me!"
Cabbie: "Where to, Herr?"
HvK: "It doesn't matter; they're snubbing me everywhere!"
You forgot the last line:

Cabbie: "I was talking to HIM!"

-Owen
Matthew B. Tepper
2008-09-27 20:37:03 UTC
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Post by O
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by O
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Another great snubbing-Karajan story! Too bad there aren't enough of
them to make a book, or two, as there are of Beecham stories in general
(at least).
Imagine being Fluffy's therapist? "All the time, I think people are
snubbing me!"
Cabbie: "Where to, Herr?"
HvK: "It doesn't matter; they're snubbing me everywhere!"
Cabbie: "I was talking to HIM!"
-Owen
"Karajan is dead." -- Nietsche
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rkhalona
2008-09-29 17:02:34 UTC
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Post by Kevin P. Mostyn
11. Munch hated the Nazis and was most unsympathetic to Nazi collaborators
When Karajan was on tour with the Berlin Philharmonic, Munch gave strict
instructions that he was not to see or have anything to do with Karajan.
Unfortunately, when Munch was walking through the Hall, he accidentally came
into sight of Karajan, who was also walking through the Hall, with a group.
Those with Munch gasped, fearing a scene. However, to their amazement, Munch
broke out into a beatific smile and then ran towards Karajan, with his arms
outstretched.
...and he ran slightly past Karajan, hugged a man standing near to Karajan
and they broke out into animated, joyous German conversation.
The man had been in the Leipzig orchestra with Munch. They had not seen each
other for decades. They walked off and discussed old times, laughing and
smiling.
Karajan was totally ignored, as if he didn't exist.
--
Kevin Mostyn
What a great story Kevin! Thanks for sharing it with us.

RK
l***@gmail.com
2008-09-27 16:25:21 UTC
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You remember that "Collector's Item" Munch program? Wow. And yes,
that was/is me. Many thanks.
<snip> close. What is most impressive as one listens to the audio
portion of
Post by D***@aol.com
the telecast is the unerring cumulative rhythmic grip of it all. (A
major part of the symphony of course, although by no means all of it.)
And Munch seems to have been among the relatively few number of
conductors who obeyed Beethoven's markings that the third movement
should be "presto" and the finale "allegro con brio": implying that
the fourth movement should be slower than the third. Munch did that.
What's more, he pulled it off.
Darned skippy* I remember that "Collector's Item" program: it got me
seriously interested in Munch. Any conductor who can play Beethoven
with that much fire and conviction has to be taken seriously. (Plus,
when you're a freshman or sophomore in college you have a lot fewer
things crowding your brain, so events tend to stick in the memory
better. Don't ask me about anything I did last week.)

Actually, your program (and the final few installments in the
Stokowski Legacy), combined with some carefully timed encouragement
from a family member, pretty much got me off down the road of historic
recordings *always* being a part of my daily listening. Thank you so
much, Don....er, Mr. Tait.

Back on topic: I have to pull out the DVD and check, but I clearly
recall reviewing a VAI DVD with Munch, probably the Berlioz Enfance du
Christ, that retained the original William Pierce announcements. WP
clearly pronounced Munch's name exactly as it appears in American
English: Charles Munch (rhymes with lunch).

Of course, years before my brother and I started calling BSO/Munch
combo "Chuck Munch and the Munch Bunch."

Lawrence

_______
* As an ex-military co-worker of mine likes to say, only he doesn't
say "darned!"
D***@aol.com
2008-09-29 18:38:55 UTC
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Post by l***@gmail.com
� You remember that "Collector's Item" Munch program? Wow. And yes,
that was/is me. Many thanks.
Darned skippy* I remember that "Collector's Item" program: it got me
seriously interested in Munch. Any conductor who can play Beethoven
with that much fire and conviction has to be taken seriously. (Plus,
when you're a freshman or sophomore in college you have a lot fewer
things crowding your brain, so events tend to stick in the memory
better. Don't ask me about anything I did last week.)
Actually, your program (and the final few installments in the
Stokowski Legacy), combined with some carefully timed encouragement
from a family member, pretty much got me off down the road of historic
recordings *always* being a part of my daily listening. Thank you so
much, Don....er, Mr. Tait.
That means a great deal. I couldn't ask for a more special message.
Thank you. And "Don" is fine.

Don Tait
t***@yahoo.com
2008-09-26 04:43:40 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
I have the commercial RCA LP, but it's in pretty bad shape.
I can post if anyone is interested, but if you really want
this recording, you might want to seek out a Japanese
issue or knock on the front door of Haydn House.
This recording has also been reissued by Tahra in a good sound (coupled
with other 78 rpms: Beethoven's Congratulation Menuet + Brahms' Violin
concerto + ...), but it seems unavailable now.
Tahra TAH 528-529http://tinyurl.com/533nof
  The "Gratulations-Menuett" with Munch/BSO was the tenth-side filler
on the 78 and 45 rpm sets of the 1949 Beethoven 7th. It's one of the
great Munch/BSO rarities.
  Don Tait
OK,I did not realize this was some sort of rarity.Yes it was one of
the last 78 sets issued,but there are others from this period I have
only seen one copy of,too.This was one of the very first sets I
bought,in 1990,when I was first branching out into buying classical.I
bought mine at the late lamented DAV thrift store,here in Albuquerque.

It's also Munch's debut recording with the Bostonians,and one of the
first where he did not use the French spelling of "Muench"

Roger
Matthew B. Tepper
2008-09-26 07:10:18 UTC
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It's also Munch's debut recording with the Bostonians,and one of the
first where he did not use the French spelling of "Muench"
Er, he was an Alsatian, and the original spelling of his name was Münch.
Remember, he fought for the Germans in the 14-18 War, and was concertmaster
of the Leipzig Gewandhaus when Furtwängler was its conductor. Ultimately he
decided he was French, and the rest of his career followed from there.
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2008-09-26 18:43:53 UTC
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It's also Munch's debut recording with the Bostonians,and one of the
first where he did not use the French spelling of "Muench"
Er, he was an Alsatian, and the original spelling of his name was M�nch. �
Remember, he fought for the Germans in the 14-18 War, and was concertmaster
of the Leipzig Gewandhaus when Furtw�ngler was its conductor. �Ultimately he
decided he was French, and the rest of his career followed from there.
I recently read that it was during the German occupation of France
during World War II that Munch decided to drop the umlaut from the
spelling of his name, mainly because it is a German-language tool.
Only on his two or three post-war American Columbia recordings is his
name spelled "Muench."

Not to carry on, but Munch was yet another victim of European
conflict and politics. As Matthew writes, he was Alsatian by birth.
Alsace (and Lorraine) had been taken from France and annexed to
Germany after the Franco-Prussian war of 1871. The French resented it
as bitterly as could be possible. Most Alsatians were French in
sympathies and in language. Munch was one of them, but as a German
subject in 1914 he was called up for the Kaiser's army. During World
War II he did brave things on behalf of the French Resistance and
evidently gave them a large amount of his concert earnings. A
remarkable man as well as great conductor.

Don Tait
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2008-09-26 20:10:08 UTC
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I recently read that it was during the German occupation of France
during World War II that Munch decided to drop the umlaut from the
spelling of his name, mainly because it is a German-language tool.
Only on his two or three post-war American Columbia recordings is his
name spelled "Muench."
Not to carry on, but Munch was yet another victim of European conflict
and politics. As Matthew writes, he was Alsatian by birth. Alsace (and
Lorraine) had been taken from France and annexed to Germany after the
Franco-Prussian war of 1871. The French resented it as bitterly as could
be possible. Most Alsatians were French in sympathies and in language.
Munch was one of them, but as a German subject in 1914 he was called up
for the Kaiser's army. During World War II he did brave things on behalf
of the French Resistance and evidently gave them a large amount of his
concert earnings. A remarkable man as well as great conductor.
That is correct, and I should have been more explicit in stating that he
fought on the German side because he had been conscripted.
--
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My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
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Walter Traprock
2008-09-27 16:35:11 UTC
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Post by Benoit D
Post by Sacqueboutier
I have the commercial RCA LP, but it's in pretty bad shape.
I can post if anyone is interested, but if you really want
this recording, you might want to seek out a Japanese
issue or knock on the front door of Haydn House.
This recording has also been reissued by Tahra in a good sound (coupled
with other 78 rpms: Beethoven's Congratulation Menuet + Brahms' Violin
concerto + ...), but it seems unavailable now.
Tahra TAH 528-529http://tinyurl.com/533nof
The "Gratulations-Menuett" with Munch/BSO was the tenth-side filler
on the 78 and 45 rpm sets of the 1949 Beethoven 7th. It's one of the
great Munch/BSO rarities.
Munch Bruckner 7:

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2761647
D***@aol.com
2008-09-27 19:52:24 UTC
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http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2761647
From a broacast. Fast, perhaps with a cut in the finale (I can't
remember, but it's only about ten minutes).

Don Tait
Kevin P. Mostyn
2008-09-27 19:58:33 UTC
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There's also a broadcast rehearsal. 30 minutes. From March 10, 1951; delayed
broadcast date, not rehearsal date.
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Post by Walter Traprock
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2761647
From a broacast. Fast, perhaps with a cut in the finale (I can't
remember, but it's only about ten minutes).

Don Tait
D***@aol.com
2008-09-27 20:06:01 UTC
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Post by Kevin P. Mostyn
There's also a broadcast rehearsal. 30 minutes. From March 10, 1951; delayed
broadcast date, not rehearsal date.
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Post by Walter Traprock
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2761647
� From a broacast. Fast, perhaps with a cut in the finale (I can't
remember, but it's only about ten minutes).
� Don Tait
Kevin --

Thanks. My post referred to the BSO broadcast of circa 1958.

Don Tait
"M.W. Kluge"
2008-09-29 15:15:51 UTC
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Post by Kevin P. Mostyn
There's also a broadcast rehearsal. 30 minutes. From March 10, 1951; delayed
broadcast date, not rehearsal date.
--
Kevin Mostyn
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Post by Walter Traprock
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2761647
From a broacast. Fast, perhaps with a cut in the finale (I can't
remember, but it's only about ten minutes).
Don Tait
Kevin --
  Thanks. My post referred to the BSO broadcast of circa 1958.
  Don Tait
Munch's 1958 broadcast cut most of the Scherzo reprise and a goodly
chunk of the finale, such that each of those movements runs only about
six minutes. The 1951 rehearsal covered only parts of the first three
movements. It is not possible to determine from the excerpts played
in the rehearsal broadcast whether Munch made the same cuts at the
time, or indeed some of the other changes heard in 1958 such as the
altered timpani parts in the first and last movement codas.
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2008-09-29 18:14:21 UTC
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Post by Walter Traprock
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2761647
From a broacast. Fast, perhaps with a cut in the finale (I can't
remember, but it's only about ten minutes).
Don Tait
Munch's 1958 broadcast cut most of the Scherzo reprise and a goodly
chunk of the finale, such that each of those movements runs only about
six minutes. �The 1951 rehearsal covered only parts of the first three
movements. �It is not possible to determine from the excerpts played
in the rehearsal broadcast whether Munch made the same cuts at the
time, or indeed some of the other changes heard in 1958 such as the
altered timpani parts in the first and last movement codas.
Thanks to Mark, and his encyclopedic memory for Bruckner
performances and details, for confirming my memory of cuts in the 1958
broadcast.

Don Tait
Sacqueboutier
2008-09-25 23:06:00 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
I have the commercial RCA LP, but it's in pretty bad shape.
I can post if anyone is interested, but if you really want
this recording, you might want to seek out a Japanese
issue or knock on the front door of Haydn House.
This recording has also been reissued by Tahra in a good sound (coupled
with other 78 rpms: Beethoven's Congratulation Menuet + Brahms' Violin
concerto + ...), but it seems unavailable now.
Tahra TAH 528-529
http://tinyurl.com/533nof
Also, this one...

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1215365

Cheaper than the Tahra AND it has the original cover art.
--
Kindest regards,

Don Patterson
GMS
2008-09-26 00:39:52 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
Also, this one...
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1215365
Cheaper than the Tahra AND it has the original cover art.
--
Kindest regards,
Don Patterson
However, no Congratulation Minuet (this item was only available on the
"odd" side of the RCA Victor 45 RPM set of this Munch/BSO Beethoven
7th.

Kind regards, Gary Stucka
Sacqueboutier
2008-09-26 01:31:47 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
Also, this one...
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1215365
Cheaper than the Tahra AND it has the original cover art.
--
Kindest regards,
Don Patterson
However, no Congratulation Minuet (this item was only available on the
"odd" side of the RCA Victor 45 RPM set of this Munch/BSO Beethoven
7th.
Kind regards, Gary Stucka
HMV Japan also carried the Tahra disc, but I just
can't bring myself to pay that kind of money for
an obscure little minuet. I'm not that much of
a completist.
--
Kindest regards,

Don Patterson
Neil
2008-09-30 15:36:43 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
How many times did Munch record the Beethoven 7th?
ArkivMusic.com may help on your research.

Neil Miller, author: The Piano Lessons Book & Piano Classics Analyzed
Methods and theory for confident memorized performances. Amazon.com
Search: Neil Miller Piano Lessons Book or Neil Miller Piano Analyzed
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2008-09-30 22:57:13 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
How many times did Munch record the Beethoven 7th?
ArkivMusic.com may help on your research.
Neil Miller, author: The Piano Lessons Book & Piano Classics Analyzed
Methods and theory for confident memorized performances. Amazon.com
Search: Neil Miller Piano Lessons Book or Neil Miller Piano Analyzed
Munch recorded the symphony commericially once, with the Boston
Symphony, in late 1949 for RCA Victor. Yes, perhaps ArkivMusic would
help in the research. But the correct information was contained in
numerous posts here at the beginning of this thread.

Don Tait

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