Johannes Roehl - German mentality

[Zionazi]

»> This article doesn't mention music, but I think it's a pretty shrewd
» piece of analysis that gives some insight as to why Mr. Schaffer
» displays his cultural attitudes the way he does here.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,474

Bob Harper >

Looking at the actual facts of damage caused throughout the world, it's
pretty hard *not* to come to the conclusion that the

USA is far more

dangerous than Iran. After all, how many countries has Iran destroyed,
beyond all hope of recovery, in recent times? I don't see any evidence
that Ahmadinejad is any more dangerously deluded than Bush - it's
probably a tie - but Bush has far more power to act on his insanity, and
has taken full advantage of that.

All this is old news (the quoted article is crap anyway). I believe St.
Augustine relates the following anecdote: A pirate was captured and
brought before Alexander the Great for judgement. Alexander asked, how
he could be such an evil guy, capture innocent ship, pillage villages
and turn this region into an unsafe and dangerous place. The pirate
Replied: And what about you, who turns the whole world into an unsafe
place? Only because I have but one ship and a small crew, I am called a
pirate, whereas you who has a fleet and armies at his disposal, are
called emperor and hero.

A point which really pisses me of is the mimosic behaviour of many
Americans. It's extremely obvious why all kinds of more or less openly
expressed "Anti-Americanism" are on the rise, but they keep whining like
a spoiled kid, because the others don't like to play with him after rude
behaviour. But they have no problems at all to exhibit open "Anti-Xism"
(insert anything for X except US of A and Israel), e.g. crude and rude
judgements about German or French people.

Johannes„

Was für ein Schwachsinn, komplett geschichtsvergessen und völlig
realitätsfern - typisch deutsch halt. Selbstreflexion ade

Look at Johannes… so you have Paul arguing that Bush is as deluded as
Ahmadinejad - ahem -, a hardcore shia Muslim (Clerical fascist) who
denies the Shoah* (likely Johannes is happy about this ;) - Du
Mimöschen) and who called Israel a cancerous Tumor that needs to be
destroyed.

Hmmm… and what does Johannes do? I mean as a descendant of the Nazis -
and you know, After everything Germany Said and says about taking
responsibility and combating antisemitism - what does Johannes do? Wait,
before I go further… keep in mind… Johannes likely had the Privilege of
growing up in Western Germany (US-Controlled), a democratic Western
Germany — for which Not his ancestors, but the Allies - many
US-americans - complete strangers, gave their lives. The US helped
Germany become democratic and economically Strong (wirtschafts“wunder“
mein arsch)… Anyways… so what does Johannes do?

He links Ahmadinejad a Major antisemite and Enemy of the West who
ruthlessly butchers his own people to some Heroic pirate… is this a
joke? And obviously the Country - US - the Country (Not his grandparents
or parents) that enabled him a good life

And since he has no Self-awareness… he then whines about Germany being
called anti-american, while displaying anti-american Attitude… Yeah
Right… instead of defending bush - as Imperfect as he is - against a
Hitlerlike antisemite like Ahmadinejad… he Defends ahmadinejad, just
like his Family likely defended hitler ;)

And then he projects his own (german) sensitivity on the americans
„mimosic“

Super comical

Its him Whining like a Spoiled Brat… indirectly spoiled by the
us-americans Saving Europe from Germany…

Bob was ofc completely right

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/CDKX1Az49PA/m/nOK9wc4gBmQJ

Just had to let this out as a Last Farewell

[Zionazi]

Anyways, accidently stumbled upon this (the post by Johannes), and felt
I should write this out. Didn't think too much while writing... and ofc
I exaggerated some parts... but all in all... there is too much truth in
it.

Sure one can say Johannes did not know about Ahmadinejad being a major
hitler-like antisemite... but well... this is kind of crazy right?
Shouldn't the Germans - who learned so much from the Shoah, and who like
to teach the world about peace, and who care so much about Israel - be
actually the second people - after the Jews - who can spot a new Hitler?

Like Johannes Roehl was sort of very anti-Trump (seen some posts on TC),
yet he is defending Ahmadinejad against Bush? ;D

USA a greather threat to world danger, than ahmadinejad? Are you
kidding? Roehl would be a fucking dhimmi in an islamic europe, if
Ahmadinejad had the military power of the US.

[Zionazi]

Post by Zionazi
Anyways, accidently stumbled upon this (the post by Johannes), and felt
I should write this out. Didn't think too much while writing... and ofc
I exaggerated some parts... but all in all... there is too much truth in
it.
Sure one can say Johannes did not know about Ahmadinejad being a major
hitler-like antisemite... but well... this is kind of crazy right?
Shouldn't the Germans - who learned so much from the Shoah, and who like
to teach the world about peace, and who care so much about Israel - be
actually the second people - after the Jews - who can spot a new Hitler?

*Shouldn't the Germans - who learned so much from the Shoah, and who
like to teach the world about peace, and who care so much about Israel -
be *like actually actually the second people or sth - after the Jew you
know - who can spot a new Hitler?

dropped some words while writing, thought I should add them.

[Zionazi]

Fwiw: I did not really exaggerate; I was just being blunt and sarcastic.

Some sensitive souls might take issues with Johannes being described as
a descendant of Nazis, but it‘s not completely untrue is it? Sure his
parents/grandparents might not have been Party members, but with regards
to everything Johannes has and has not said (about Israel, antisemitism,
anti-americanism), we can See that his Family was not particularly
concerned with the Shoah (and Similar to Hitler who loved to demonize
the USA, Johannes Carries This Forth in some way) — because if his
Family was concerned with the Shoah, they would have been interested in
Israel and would have explained Johannes the Situation the Jews are in.
But all Johannes - unser Mimöschen - cares about is defending the
Germans from allegiations of anti-americanism. How does he do so? By
portraying hitlerlike-figure like Ahmadinejad as some Hero — Play the
eroica for ahmadinejad lol

Emperooooaarr

So Not only did to individual Germans mess up teaching their Children
about the Situation Israel is in, but the teaching facilities Messed up
as well — now you have descendant of Nazis and muzzies in the classrooms
to teach this, to Raise awareness… this is almost impossible to do lol

Now Imagine a Jew, an iranian Muzzie and Johannes Röhl at the bar…
Muzzie is Like „Fuck USA“, Johannes Joins in „Viva Iran! Ahmadinejad
Reminds me of Beethoven“…

[Zionazi]

I don’t think it’s far fetched to assume, that Johannes‘ parents - even
if not being members the Nazi-Party - Shared many of their ideals and
had antisemitic (and antiamerican) notions themselves — seeing how they
didn’t Educate Johannes about Israel, they obviously didn’t think too
much about the Shoah. It is also not too far fetched that if Hitler had
won, they - like the majority of Germans - would have taught Johannes
what a Great guy hitler was.

And Frank can ofc claim that it’s just an opinion, to think of Hitler as
a Great guy… the truth is, it’s an opinion, but its Not true ;)

[Zionazi]

If Hitler had been alive at the time Johannes defended Ahmadinejad
against the US… well Hitler would have just Done the Same: antisemite
Ahmadinejad = Good, imperialistic, pro-Israeli, pro-democratic USA =
bad.

Hitler: USA is responsible for all the wars. Ahmadinejad is a Hero!

Johanne: Amen! Ahmadinejad - just like you Hitler - reminds me of some
heroic pirate taking a stance against injustices!

In some ways Hitler lives on in anti-trump Johannes

[Zionazi]

„In 2017, German magazine Stern published a cover depicting Donald Trump
performing the Nazi salute, with the inscription Sein Kampf, in
reference to Mein Kampf.[17] Germans have generally been more negative
about their relations with the United States than most other European
countries.[18] Trump was routinely criticised by German politicians,
such as Chancellor Angela Merkel.[19]“

Hahaha — when will the Germans address actual Nazis Like Chamenei or
Ahmadinejad?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-American_sentiment_in_Germany

This is the Media Johannes has been exposed to ;D

[Zionazi]

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2015/06/23/1-americas-global-image/

„The outlier is Germany, where just 50% give the U.S. a positive rating,
while 45% express a negative one.“

Compare Germany’s USA-stance to other European countries, and compare
what the antisemitic countries (like Pakistan) think about the US…

Sure in Contrast to Hitler, Johannes would not want to murder Jews, but
his mindset - antiamericanism for example - is in some ways a
continuation of the anti-american mindset Nazi-Germany had. Someone who
learned from the past, would Never defend a hitlerlike figure Like
Ahmadinejad against bush… it’s just completely insane

How humiliated the Great Germans (among them Jihannes’ relatives) who
thought they were Saving the World Must have felt After getting their
Asses handed to them… and then it was like „It was all Hitler‘s fault“
„We were forced“ etc. Etc.

Criticising the USA is okay; but making it seem as it USA was a greater
danger to humanity than Ahmadinejad? This is not criticism, its
anti-americanism.

Making it seem like Trump is the new Hitler? This is not criticism, its
anti-americanism.

You have Dan who idiotically compares Netanyahu and Trump to Putin. And
here you have Johannes who defends a hitler-figure like Ahmadinejad
against Bush/USA — completely oblivious about what he is Doing.

[Zionazi]

To be correct:

Likely Johannes‘ anti-americanism is different from Hitler‘s — the
reasons differ. So I can’t say it’s a continuation of Nazi-Germany‘s
antiamericanism — after Germany lost the war a different kind of
anti-americanism seems to have developed (but it was probably also still
fueled by what the Nazis thought of the USA; Like i would have to really
dig into this further to make a good point).

But I think it’s quite insane that he would defend a hitlerlike figure
like Ahmadinejad. I mean Johannes is obviously completely unaware (which
tells us that the Germans Never really bothered to teach their Children
about antisemitism (except for: Murdering Jews is bad (unless You’re a
Muslim or sth ;) )) or either really stupid - or just really an
antisemite which I don’t think his true wrt him; but whats true is that
he obviously didn’t Even think about Ahmadinejad being a hitlerlike
antisemite…

Anyways Im off to eat some good Sauerbraten — omg the meat is so Tender

Merry Xmas you fuckers

[Zionazi]

This is just too Funny; in the Same Thread linked above, Michael argues
the following:

„A lot of people in Germany have fairly well informed and critical
opinions about what's going on, and that's why many of them are so
critical of the Bush government and what's happening in America right
now, because of the generally very good education about Germany's own
past and because they can see the parallels.“

If Michael actually had been well-informed about the past… he might had
seen some parallels between Ahmadinejad and Hitler… lol… Not between
Bush and Hitler (typical German anti-american Reflexes — based on
resentment)… and if Jihannes actually was actually well informell about
the past (Michael argued all Germans were… „Weltmeister der
Vergangenheitsbewältigung“ - Ich lach mich tot) he wouldnt have written
the insane stuff he wrote, and he would have actually called out Michael
for being an absolute idiot…

Yeah bush is hitler… forgot About Ahmadinejad ;D

[Zionazi]

*forget about — Damn Auto correct on pHone…

Furthermore Michael describes his anti-american resentment — basically
seeing Hitler in Bush — As being critical…

„A lot of people in Germany have fairly well informed and critical
opinions about what's going on, and that's why many of them are so
critical of the Bush government and what's happening in America right
now, because of the generally very good education about Germany's own
past and because they can see the parallels. That that critical
attitude is attacked here…“

Hahaha… it’s critical to say you See parallels between Nazi-Germany and
Bush-USA? What a load of Bull… Michael was just fucking insane

[Zionazi]

And what Johannes saw in Bush, many Young Germans See in the Jewish
State — especially in Netanyahu. Hamas, Ahmadinejad… they are just small
terrorists and USA the greatest terrorist ;D and Israel Kills more
fakestinians, so Israel is the greater terrorist…

Do These Young Germans know anything about the history of israel? No… do
you think the schools teach them about israel? How many Jewish and how
many islamic Friends does a Young german have Today? Could this possibly
influence their Position on Israel? Etc. Etc.

The Germans have failed to truly educate their Children about the past…
And Now we have reached a point in Germany where this is almost
impossible to be Done… like especially in schools with Lots of muzzies…

When will them Germans begin to draw parallels between Nazism and
Islamism, parallels between Hitler and Ahmadinejad, instead of between
Bush/Trump and Hitler which is just completely fucking nuts

[Zionazi]

Or what many Young Germans also like to do - not only Young Germans - is
drawing parallels between Netanyahu and Hitler… sure… why not… and draws
parallels between Netanyahu and Putin… sure why Not …

[Zionazi]

It’s just an opinion - as Frank likes to say - as if all opinions were
equally true…