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National Gramophonic Society Discography
http://tim78rpm.com/NGSdiscog.htm

[Hooray for this! If there is any set of old 78s that ought to be
restored, this is it. The NGS was similar to the Musical Heritage Society,
except that NGS brought recordings to the world, while the MHS mostly
distrusted recordings in Europe to the United States, though there were a
few discs made freshly for it. One of Stamitz comes to mind. It was quite
exciting back then to record something for the very first time, so there's
an energy in these nearly forgotten records that is rarely found today.

[Of the ten or so I have heard, I cannot really claim that any have
surpassed later recordings, except for 147-9, the Brahms third piano trio,
recorded by the Pirani Trio. That one digs into the music like no other.

[Most of the artists have been forgotten, with the exception of John
Barirolli, who was a cellist on 132B/133/134, as well as a conductor.

[Still, I'd rather have these than any other crop of old 78s that have
never been reissued on CD. The Brahms Horn Trio (65-68, the first version
with Aubrey Brain, made it to an Opal LP and Barbolli's Bach on a private
set issued by Thomas L. Clear, who had one of the best collections of
scarce treasures in the world.

[As documentation of the early days of recording of works taking more than
a single disk, the NGS discs cannot be beaten.]

Compiled and Introduced by Ronald Russell

(This discography and the introduction are the work of Ronald
Russell. Anyone involved in the amateur music scene or the record
collecting scene in Los Angeles during the 60s and 70s would
probably have met him or heard of him. Despite problems with his
hearing he was an accomplished performer on the violin and the
viola. His knowledge of recorded music was equally remarkable and
his huge collection included all the NGS records. So the
information in this document is taken from the actual discs, not
from catalogues or other sources. It was because of Ronald that I
became interested in the NGS records, so I respectfully dedicate
these NGS pages to his memory.)

THE NATIONAL GRAMOPHONIC SOCIETY was founded October 29, 1923, by
Compton MacKenzie.
The actual date of the first subscription recording is unknown;
however, the last was made in 1931. The Society recorded for a
total period of eight years. The records from numbers 1 through 56
were recorded acoustically. Numbers 57 through 165 were electric
recordings. (An interesting feature of the NGS was that they used
record letters instead of numbers. The first 68 records, extending
into electricals, used letters twice through the alphabet, then a
third cycle through TTT.) All of the acoustic recordings were out
of print by 1928, but a select number of electric recordings
continued to be available until the end of World War II.
Originally, the NGS records were pressed by the Columbia,
Parlophone and Vocalion Companies, but from numbers 109 through 165
they were pressed by Columbia only.
All of the listed selections, with the exception of the Boccherini
Quartet in E-flat (Nos. 92 & 93), and the Malipiero Quartet (Nos.
103 & 104), were selected by an advisory board consisting of the
following persons: W. W. Cobbett, W. R. Anderson, Spencer Dyke,
Alec Robinson, Peter Latham and Compton MacKenzie.
The Society was never well supported and few subscribers ever
acquired the complete catalogue. As far as is known only two
organizations (Trinity College in England and the University of
Iowa) were subscribers to the complete series.
The formation of the Hugo Wolf, Haydn Quartet and Beethoven Piano
Sonata Societies was the signal for the end of the National
Gramophonic Society, as it was originally formed to bring to the
public works which would not be recorded by the other companies. As
can be seen, the selections are almost totally chamber music works.

Discs
Composers
Compositions
Artists
Sides


1-3 Beethoven String Quartet No. 10 in E-flat, Op.74 "Harp" The
Spencer Dyke String Quartet 6 sides

4-6 Debussy String Quartet No. 1 in G Minor, Op.10 The Spencer Dyke
String Quartet 6 sides

7 Rubinstein String Quartet in F, Op.17/3 (2nd Movement, Allegro)
The Cobbett String Quartet side 1
Raff String Quartet in G, Op. 192/2 "The Maid of the Mill" (5th
movement, Declaration) side 2

8-12 Schubert Trio No. 2 in E-flat, Op. 100 (D. 929) Spencer Dyke,
violin; B. Patterson Parker, cello; Harold Craxton, pianoforte 9
sides
12-15 Schonberg Verklarte Nacht, Op. 4 (original sextet version)
Spencer Dyke Quartet; J. Lockyer, viola; E. J. Robinson, cello 7
sides

(Note: the above 8 records constitute one complete set)

16-18 Mozart Oboe Quartet in F Major (KV-370) Leon Goossens, oboe &
members of The Spencer Dyke String Quartet 5 sides
18 Bach Arioso from Cantata No. 156 1 side

19-23 Beethoven String Quartet No. 7 in F, Op. 59/1 The Spencer
Dyke String Quartet 10 sides

24-28 Brahms String Sextet No. 1 in G Major, Op. 18 The Spencer
Dyke String Quartet (with Lockyer & Robinson) 9 sides
28 Eugene Goossens By the Tarn, Op. 15/1 (from "Two Sketches") The
Music Society String Quartet 1 side

29 Tomlinson A Lament The Spencer Dyke String Quartet side 1
Gibbons Fantasias Nos. 3 and 9 (in 3 parts) The Music Society
String Quartet side 2

30 Gibbons Fantasias Nos. 6 and 8 (in 3 parts) The Music Society
String Quartet side 1
Eugene Goossens Jack o' Lantern, Op. 15/2 (from "Two Sketches")
side 2

31-36 Schubert Quintet in C Major for Strings, Op. 161 The Cobbett
String Quartet & Charles Crabbe, 2nd cello 12 sides

37-41 Elgar Quintet in A Minor for Piano & Strings, Op. 84 Ethel
Hobday, pianoforte & The Spencer Dyke Quartet 10 sides

42-46 Brahms Clarinet Quintet in B minor, Op. 115 Frederick
Thurston, clarinet & The Spencer Dyke Quartet 9 sides
46 Gliere String Quartet in A Major, Op. 2 (Allegro) The Spencer
Dyke String Quartet 1 side

47-50 Mozart Clarinet Quintet in A Major (KV-581) Charles Draper,
clarinet & Spencer Dyke Quartet 7 sides
50 Duet No. 1 in G for Violin & Viola, KV-423 (2nd movement)
Spencer Dyke, violin; Ernest Tomlinson, viola 1 side

51 Purcell Four Part Fantasia No. 4 in C Minor The Music Society
String Quartet 2 sides

52 Purcell Three Part Fantasia No. 3 in G Minor The Music Society
String Quartet side 1
J. B. McEwan Peat Reek (#3 of String Quartet #5 "Nugae") side 2

53 Purcell Fantasia in Five Parts (Upon One Note) The Music Society
String Quartet (2nd violist unknown--possibly Jean Pougnet) side 1
Four Part Fantasia No. 2 in C Minor The Music Society String
Quartet side 2

54-55 Vaughan-Williams Phantasy Quintet for Strings (1912) The
Music Society String Quartet & Jean Pougnet, 2nd viola 4 sides

56 Eugene Goossens Sonata for Violin & Piano, Op. 21 (2nd movement,
Adagio) Andre Mangeot, violin; Eugene Goosens, piano 2 sides

57-61 Schubert Quartet No. 13 in A Minor, Op. 29 The Spencer Dyke
String Quartet 9 sides
61 Mendelssohn Quartet in E Minor, Op. 44/2 (Scherzo) 1 side

62-64 Beethoven String Quartet No. 16 in F Major, Op. 135 The
Spencer Dyke String Quartet 6 sides

65-68 Brahms Horn Trio in E-flat, Op. 40 Aubrey Brain, horn;
Spencer Dyke, violin; York Bowen, pianoforte 8 sides

69-70 Corelli Concerto for Christmas Night (edited by Frank Bridge)
Op. 6/8 The NGS Chamber Orchestra/John Barbirolli, conductor 3
sides
70-71 Debussy Deux Danses ("Danses Sacres et Profanes") Ethel
Bartlett, pianoforte/NGS Chamber Orch--Barbirolli, conductor 3
sides
Note: the above three records were re-issued later as follows:
69A-69B Corelli Concerto for Christmas Night The NGS Chamber
Orchestra/John Barbirolli, conductor 3 sides
69B Bach Cantata #208 "Sheep May Safely Graze" Martha Amstad,
soprano; Boris Ord, harpsichord; Edward Walker & Evelyn Claye,
flutes 1 side
70-71 Debussy Deux Danses ("Danses Sacres et Profanes") Ethel
Bartlett, pianoforte/NGS Chamber Orch--Barbirolli 3 sides
71 Epigraphes Antiques, Nos. 1 and 6 Ethel Bartlett & Rae
Robertson, duo pianists 1 side

72 Delius Summer Night on the River The NGS Chamber Orchestra/John
Barbirolli, conductor 2 sides

73-74 Mozart Symphony No. 28 in C Major (KV-200) NGS Chamber
Orchestra (Leader: John Fry)/Andre Mangeot, conductor 4 sides

75 Peter Warlock Serenade for Delius on his 60th Birthday NGS
Chamber Orchestra (Leader: Andre Mangeot)/John Barbirolli,
conductor 2 sides

76-77 Bax Quintet for Oboe & Strings (dedicated to Leon Goossens)
Leon Goossens, oboe and The International String Quartet 4 sides

78-81 Ravel String Quartet in F Major (supervised by Ravel) The
International String Quartet 7 sides
81 Sonatine for piano (1st movement) Kathleen Long, pianoforte solo
1 side

82-86 Dvorak Quintet in A Major for Piano & Strings, Op. 81 Ethel
Bartlett, piano/The Spencer Dyke String Quartet 9 sides
86 Joseph Speight Shakespeare Fairy Characters (1st Series, No. 2,
"The Lonely Shepherd" The Spencer Dyke String Quartet 1 side

87 Ravel Sonatine for Piano (2nd & 3rd movements) Kathleen Long,
pianoforte solo 2 sides
88 - 91 Brahms Quartet in C Minor for Piano & Strings, Op. 60 Olive
Bloom, piano & members of The Spencer Dyke Quartet 8 sides

92-93 Boccherini String Quartet in E-flat Major, Op. 6/3 The
Poltronieri String Quartet 4 sides

94-95 Elgar Introduction & Allegro for Strings, Op. 47
International String Quartet and the NGS Chamber Orchestra/John
Barbirolli, conductor 4 sides

96-97 Purcell Suite for Strings (arranged by Barbirolli) The NGS
Chamber Orchestra/John Barbirolli, conductor 3-1/2 sides
97 Marcello Allegretto for Strings (arranged by Barbirolli) 1/2
side

98-101 Haydn Symphony No. 104 in D Major "London" The NGS Chamber
Orchestra/John Barbirolli, conductor 7 sides
101 Mozart Cassation No. 2 in C Major, KV-99 (Adagio) 1 side

102 Bax Moy Mell ("The Happy Plain") (supervised by the composer)
Ethel Bartlett & Rae Robertson, Duo Pianists 2 sides

103-104 Malipiero String Quartet No. 2 (Stornelli e Ballate) The
Poltronieri Quartet 4 sides

105-108 Brahms Sextet for Strings No. 2 in G, Op. 36 The Spencer
Dyke String Quartet; J. Lockyer, 2nd viola; E. J. Robertson, 2nd
cello 8 sides

109-111 Haydn String Quartet in B-flat, Op. 76/4 "Sunrise" The
International String Quartet 5 sides
111 Purcell Four Part Fantasia No. 9 D Minor 1 side

112-113 Mozart Quartet in D for Flute & Strings (KV-285) Rene
LeRoy, flute & members of The International String Quartet 4 sides

114-117 Beethoven Sonata No. 10 in G for Violin & Piano Adila
Fachiri, violin & Donald Francis Tovey, pianoforte 7 sides
117 Bach Sonata No. 2 in A Major (3rd movement) 1 side

118-120 Bax Fantasy Sonata for Viola & Harp Raymond Jeremy, viola;
Maria Korchinska, harp 6 sides

121-123 Mozart Quintet in E-flat for Piano & Winds (KV-452)
Kathleen Long, piano; Leon Goossens, oboe; Frederick Thurston,
clarinet; Aubrey Brain, horn; J. Alexandra, bassoon 6 sides

124-126 Schubert Quartet in B-flat Major, Op. 168 The International
String Quartet 6 sides

127-128 Debussy Sonata No. 3 in G Minor for Violin and Piano Andre
Mangeot, violin; Lyell Barbour, piano 3 sides
128 Preludes, Set 1, No. 4. "Les sons et les parfums tournent dans
l'air du soir" Lyell Barbour, pianoforte solo 1 side

129-130 Mozart Piano Sonata in D Major (KV-576) Kathleen Long,
pianoforte solo 3 sides
130 Muffat Minuet & Air from Suite in B-flat 1/2 side
Couperin Le Tic-Toc-Choc ou Les Maillotins 1/2 side

131-132 Vivaldi Sonate en Concert No. 5 in E Minor for Cello &
Strings, arr. Vincent d'Indy Georges Pitsch, cello, with string
quartet 3 sides
132 Three Pieces arranged by Ethel Bartlett for Cello & Piano: a)
Golden Slumbers; b) An Ancient Lullaby; c) My Love's an Arbutus
John Barbirolli, cello; Ethel Bartlett, piano 1 side

133-134 Bach Sonata No. 1 in G for Cello & Piano John Barbirolli,
cello; Ethel Bartlett, piano 4 sides

135-136 Bach Sonata No. 2 in E-flat for Flute & Piano Rene LeRoy,
flute; Kathleen Long, piano 3 sides
136 Honegger Danse de la Chevre (for Solo Flute) Rene LeRoy, flute
1 side

137 Handel Sonata No. 3 in G for Flute & Piano Rene LeRoy, flute;
Kathleen Long, piano 2 sides

138-139 Haydn Sonata in C Minor for Piano Kathleen Long, piano solo
3 sides
139 Rameau Theme & Variations in A Minor 1 side

140-142 Haydn String Quartet in E-flat, Op. 76/6 The International
String Quartet 5 sides
142 Purcell Four Part Fantasia No. 4 in C Minor 1 side

143 Matthew Locke String Quartet #6 (Suite in 4 parts, transcribed
by Peter Warlock and edited by Andre Mangeot) The International
String Quartet 2 sides

144-146 Paul Juon Chamber Symphony, Op. 27 The New Chamber
Orchestra/Charles Kreshover, cond. (personnel: S. Kutcher, violin;
R. Jeremy, viola; C. Sharpe, cello; L. Goossens, oboe; G. W.
Anderson, clarinet ; A . R. Newton, bassoon; A Thonger, horn; Rae
Robertson, piano.) 6 sides

147-149 Brahms Trio No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 101 The Pirani Trio (Max
Pirani, piano; Leila Doubleday Pirani, violin; Charles Hambourg,
cello) 6 sides

150 Wolf Italian Serenade The International String Quartet 2 sides

151-152 Bach Concerto #5 in F Minor for Piano & Strings Ethel
Bartlett, piano, with string quartet (No conductor listed--could be
Barbirolli) 3 sides
152 Chorale: "Blessed Jesus, here we stand" (Arr. Rummel) Ethel
Bartlett, pianoforte solo 1 side

153-155 Bax String Quartet No. 1 in G Major The Marie Wilson String
Quartet 6 sides

156-158 Bax Sonata for Two Pianos Ethel Bartlett & Rae Robertson,
Duo Pianists 5 sides
158 Hardanger (with acknowledgements to Grieg) 1 side

159-160 Mozart Trio No. 5 in G Major (KV-564) The Budapest Trio
(Georges Roth, violin; Nicholas Roth, cello; Lyell Barbour, piano)
4 sides

161-162 Mozart Trio No. 7 in E-flat for Viola, Clarinet & Piano
(KV-498) "Kegelstedt" Rebecca Clarke, viola; Frederick Thurston,
clarinet; Kathleen Long, piano) 4 sides

163-165 Peter Warlock The Curlew (Song Cycle after W. B. Yeats)
John Armstrong, baritone*; International String Quartet; Robert
Murchie, flute; T. McDonagh, oboe; Constant Lambert, conductor 5
sides
165 Sleep (from "The Woman Hater") John Armstrong, baritone* & The
International String Quartet 1/2 side
Chop Cherry (from "The Old Wives' Tale") 1/2 side
* This is questionable--WERM and Gramophone Shop Encyclopedia both
list John Armstrong as a tenor. He certainly sounds like one,
although the voice is rather heavy.
tomdeacon
2006-06-12 23:13:38 UTC
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National Gramophonic Society Discography
http://tim78rpm.com/NGSdiscog.htm
Now THERE'S a project for Mr. Rose and his budding service.

Things nobody has ever heard before. Virgin territory, so to speak.

All he needs to do is to borrow the 78s from Trinity College, or the
University of Iowa(???)

TD
makropulos
2006-06-13 02:02:37 UTC
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Some fantastic stuff there. A few *have* been reissued (including the
Fachiri/Tovey Beethoven Op.96 that was being talked about here the
other day - on Symposium) but a lot of them are completely unknown, and
with musicians like Mangeot and René Leroy there is some major
international talent involved. Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
John Wiser
2006-06-13 04:38:17 UTC
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[snip] Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
Cobbett's (1929) offers the following: "Spencer Dyke Quartet.
Edwin Quaife, Ernest Tomlinson, B. Patterson Parker.
...formed in 1918, unchanged until 1927 when Bernard
Shore became the violist and Tate Gilder the 2nd Violinist.
[...] Besides recording many interesting works for the
Vocalion Co., ...has also recorded copiously for the
N.G.S. (from a long article on British Chamber Music
Organizations by W.S.Meadmore.)

cordially
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Andrew Rose
2006-06-13 07:50:02 UTC
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[snip] Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
Cobbett's (1929) offers the following: "Spencer Dyke Quartet.
Edwin Quaife, Ernest Tomlinson, B. Patterson Parker.
...formed in 1918, unchanged until 1927 when Bernard
Shore became the violist and Tate Gilder the 2nd Violinist.
[...] Besides recording many interesting works for the
Vocalion Co., ...has also recorded copiously for the
N.G.S. (from a long article on British Chamber Music
Organizations by W.S.Meadmore.)
I believe Shore and Gilder appear on the quartet's final NGS recording
only.
makropulos
2006-06-13 08:44:52 UTC
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[snip] Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
Cobbett's (1929) offers the following: "Spencer Dyke Quartet.
Edwin Quaife, Ernest Tomlinson, B. Patterson Parker.
...formed in 1918, unchanged until 1927 when Bernard
Shore became the violist and Tate Gilder the 2nd Violinist.
[...] Besides recording many interesting works for the
Vocalion Co., ...has also recorded copiously for the
N.G.S. (from a long article on British Chamber Music
Organizations by W.S.Meadmore.)
cordially
--
John Wiser
Thanks very much for the information - that's a promising line-up of
players.
Peter T. Daniels
2006-06-13 12:31:03 UTC
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[snip] Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
Cobbett's (1929) offers the following: "Spencer Dyke Quartet.
Edwin Quaife, Ernest Tomlinson, B. Patterson Parker.
...formed in 1918, unchanged until 1927 when Bernard
Shore became the violist and Tate Gilder the 2nd Violinist.
[...] Besides recording many interesting works for the
Vocalion Co., ...has also recorded copiously for the
N.G.S. (from a long article on British Chamber Music
Organizations by W.S.Meadmore.)
A quartet with three members?
--
Peter T. Daniels ***@att.net
tomdeacon
2006-06-13 12:38:49 UTC
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Post by John Wiser
[snip] Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
Cobbett's (1929) offers the following: "Spencer Dyke Quartet.
Edwin Quaife, Ernest Tomlinson, B. Patterson Parker.
...formed in 1918, unchanged until 1927 when Bernard
Shore became the violist and Tate Gilder the 2nd Violinist.
[...] Besides recording many interesting works for the
Vocalion Co., ...has also recorded copiously for the
N.G.S. (from a long article on British Chamber Music
Organizations by W.S.Meadmore.)
A quartet with three members?
Wouldn't it seem logical that Spencer Dyke played in this quartet?

Now that's a tough one.

TD
Peter T. Daniels
2006-06-13 12:43:30 UTC
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Post by John Wiser
[snip] Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
Cobbett's (1929) offers the following: "Spencer Dyke Quartet.
Edwin Quaife, Ernest Tomlinson, B. Patterson Parker.
...formed in 1918, unchanged until 1927 when Bernard
Shore became the violist and Tate Gilder the 2nd Violinist.
[...] Besides recording many interesting works for the
Vocalion Co., ...has also recorded copiously for the
N.G.S. (from a long article on British Chamber Music
Organizations by W.S.Meadmore.)
A quartet with three members?
Wouldn't it seem logical that Spencer Dyke played in this quartet?
Now that's a tough one.
The other person who listed the members didn't feel it necessary to
obscure the facts.
--
Peter T. Daniels ***@att.net
Andrew Rose
2006-06-13 12:47:41 UTC
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Post by tomdeacon
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Post by John Wiser
[snip] Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
Cobbett's (1929) offers the following: "Spencer Dyke Quartet.
Edwin Quaife, Ernest Tomlinson, B. Patterson Parker.
...formed in 1918, unchanged until 1927 when Bernard
Shore became the violist and Tate Gilder the 2nd Violinist.
[...] Besides recording many interesting works for the
Vocalion Co., ...has also recorded copiously for the
N.G.S. (from a long article on British Chamber Music
Organizations by W.S.Meadmore.)
A quartet with three members?
Wouldn't it seem logical that Spencer Dyke played in this quartet?
Now that's a tough one.
The other person who listed the members didn't feel it necessary to
obscure the facts.
If it was a direct quote then perhaps the original 1929 guide didn't
clarify the matter?
Andrew Rose
2006-06-13 12:44:34 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by John Wiser
[snip] Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
Cobbett's (1929) offers the following: "Spencer Dyke Quartet.
Edwin Quaife, Ernest Tomlinson, B. Patterson Parker.
...formed in 1918, unchanged until 1927 when Bernard
Shore became the violist and Tate Gilder the 2nd Violinist.
[...] Besides recording many interesting works for the
Vocalion Co., ...has also recorded copiously for the
N.G.S. (from a long article on British Chamber Music
Organizations by W.S.Meadmore.)
A quartet with three members?
Wouldn't it seem logical that Spencer Dyke played in this quartet?
Surely not?
Matthew Silverstein
2006-06-13 13:22:18 UTC
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Wouldn't it seem logical that Spencer Dyke played in this quartet?
Does Vermeer play in the Vermeer Quartet?

Matty
makropulos
2006-06-13 16:31:21 UTC
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Post by tomdeacon
Wouldn't it seem logical that Spencer Dyke played in this quartet?
Does Vermeer play in the Vermeer Quartet?
Matty
I hope John W isn't now regretting providing this information (I think
I would be). I for one am grateful, not having Cobbett at home. And
before we get into whether Gabrieli, Amadeus and the city of Budapest
led their respective quartets, it's perhaps worth confirming that yes,
Spencer Dyke was a violinist, and yes, he led this quartet, thus making
four members.

Interesting that Ernest Tomlinson was the viola player since he's
probably better known as a composer (and a few years earlier, as I've
discovered today, he played in another quartet with Frank Bridge).
Chris Goddard
2006-06-13 19:30:32 UTC
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Interesting that Ernest Tomlinson was the viola player since he's
probably better known as a composer (and a few years earlier, as I've
discovered today, he played in another quartet with Frank Bridge).
It's another Ernest, if you're thinking of the light music composer. He was
born in 1924.

The viola player was active from 1900 to about 1943.


Chris
makropulos
2006-06-13 19:48:44 UTC
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It's another Ernest, if you're thinking of the light music composer. He was
born in 1924.
The viola player was active from 1900 to about 1943.
Chris
I was thinking of the one who wrote some rather good viola music (who
I'm guessing is *this* Ernest T). I think it must be so as some of the
pieces were published before the other Ernest T was as yet unborn.
Andrew Rose
2006-06-13 20:55:15 UTC
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Post by Chris Goddard
It's another Ernest, if you're thinking of the light music composer. He was
born in 1924.
The viola player was active from 1900 to about 1943.
Chris
I was thinking of the one who wrote some rather good viola music (who
I'm guessing is *this* Ernest T). I think it must be so as some of the
pieces were published before the other Ernest T was as yet unborn.
Just to confuse the issue the Ernest T who played with the Spencer Dyke
Quartet wrote some music which they recorded for the NGS. As far as I'm
aware this is the only recording of his music. I assume it's him, as the
other Ernest Tomlinson would have been about 12 months old at the time.
Perhaps there's a family relationship there...?
John Wiser
2006-06-13 21:52:37 UTC
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Post by Matthew Silverstein
Post by tomdeacon
Wouldn't it seem logical that Spencer Dyke played in this quartet?
Does Vermeer play in the Vermeer Quartet?
I hope John W isn't now regretting providing this information (I think
I would be).
Oh, not regretful at all! Quite delighted in fact,
having gleaned a new gem for my latest project,
a pbwiki page on "The Wit and Wisdom of
Peter T. Daniels." What a wealth of material there
ism in Usenet!

cordially
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Michael Haslam
2006-06-13 23:01:54 UTC
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What a wealth of material there
ism in Usenet!
cordially
You never said a truer word, John.
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Andrew Rose
2006-06-13 07:39:12 UTC
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Some fantastic stuff there. A few *have* been reissued (including the
Fachiri/Tovey Beethoven Op.96 that was being talked about here the
other day - on Symposium) but a lot of them are completely unknown, and
with musicians like Mangeot and René Leroy there is some major
international talent involved. Who, I wonder, were the members of the
Spencer Dyke Quartet? Really fascinating records.
Spencer Dyke Quartet:

Spencer Dyke, Ernest Tomlinson, Edwin Quaife, B. Patterson Parker
Andrew Rose
2006-06-13 07:42:23 UTC
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Post by Premise Checker
National Gramophonic Society Discography
http://tim78rpm.com/NGSdiscog.htm
Now THERE'S a project for Mr. Rose and his budding service.
Things nobody has ever heard before. Virgin territory, so to speak.
All he needs to do is to borrow the 78s from Trinity College, or the
University of Iowa(???)
TD
Watch this space - no need for me to go to Iowa or Trinity College...

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D***@aol.com
2006-06-13 20:47:58 UTC
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National Gramophonic Society Discography
http://tim78rpm.com/NGSdiscog.htm
[Hooray for this! If there is any set of old 78s that ought to be
restored, this is it.
I just found this. Hooray indeed. I only have about ten or fifteen or
these records, but it was a remarkable series. Many, many thanks for
posting this invaluable information.
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(This discography and the introduction are the work of Ronald
Russell. Anyone involved in the amateur music scene or the record
collecting scene in Los Angeles during the 60s and 70s would
probably have met him or heard of him.
I met him in 1968 during a short visit to Los Angeles. Someone else
interested in records who knew him told me to call him while I was
there and I guess told him that I might do so. Although I was a young
collector and he was very advanced, as well as my senior by many years,
he invited me to his home and was extremely gracious -- a gentle, very
nice man who treated me as if I were his equal. His collection was
overwhelming. It's lovely to have this memento of his collecting,
collection, and love of records. And of him.
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THE NATIONAL GRAMOPHONIC SOCIETY was founded October 29, 1923, by
Compton MacKenzie.
Who made it one of his goals, when he founded The Gramophone, to
begin to get chamber music adequately represented on records.

Many thanks again for posting this.

Don Tait
Andrew Rose
2006-06-13 20:56:03 UTC
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Post by Premise Checker
National Gramophonic Society Discography
http://tim78rpm.com/NGSdiscog.htm
[Hooray for this! If there is any set of old 78s that ought to be
restored, this is it.
I just found this. Hooray indeed. I only have about ten or fifteen or
these records, but it was a remarkable series. Many, many thanks for
posting this invaluable information.
Post by Premise Checker
(This discography and the introduction are the work of Ronald
Russell. Anyone involved in the amateur music scene or the record
collecting scene in Los Angeles during the 60s and 70s would
probably have met him or heard of him.
I met him in 1968 during a short visit to Los Angeles. Someone else
interested in records who knew him told me to call him while I was
there and I guess told him that I might do so. Although I was a young
collector and he was very advanced, as well as my senior by many years,
he invited me to his home and was extremely gracious -- a gentle, very
nice man who treated me as if I were his equal. His collection was
overwhelming. It's lovely to have this memento of his collecting,
collection, and love of records. And of him.
Post by Premise Checker
THE NATIONAL GRAMOPHONIC SOCIETY was founded October 29, 1923, by
Compton MacKenzie.
Who made it one of his goals, when he founded The Gramophone, to
begin to get chamber music adequately represented on records.
Many thanks again for posting this.
Don Tait
As I said - keep your eyes and ears open on this...
Matthew B. Tepper
2006-06-14 02:25:29 UTC
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Premise Checker <***@panix.com> appears to have caused the following
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(This discography and the introduction are the work of Ronald Russell.
Anyone involved in the amateur music scene or the record collecting scene
in Los Angeles during the 60s and 70s would probably have met him or
heard of him. Despite problems with his hearing he was an accomplished
performer on the violin and the viola. His knowledge of recorded music
was equally remarkable and his huge collection included all the NGS
records. So the information in this document is taken from the actual
discs, not from catalogues or other sources. It was because of Ronald
that I became interested in the NGS records, so I respectfully dedicate
these NGS pages to his memory.)
If I met him, it must have been through Joseph Cooper at Vogue Records....
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