Fav Mozart & Beethoven recordings update

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Mozart

Operas

Serail: Beecham, Fricsay
nozze: Fricsay, Karajan, Kleiber
DG: Fricsay, Furtwängler (Orfeo & Warner), Klemperer, Krips
cosi: Böhm (Decca & Warner), Karajan
Zauberflöte: Bergman, Fricsay

Symphonies:

41 - Probably Fricsay and/or Bernstein
40 - Celibidache
39 - Probably Bernstein
38 - Bernstein
36 - Bernstein, E. Kleiber
35 - Probably Fricsay and/or Bernstein
34 - Not sure yet
33 - E. Kleiber
32 - Maag (because of the slow movement)
31 - no idea yet
30 - no idea yet
29 - Bernstein
rest no idea yet

Piano concertos:

KV 246: Pletnev
KV 271: Pletnev
KV 365: Gilels/Gilels
KV 382: Bashkirov
KV 415: Anda
KV 449: Bashkirov
KV 450: YES (and maybe Anda? Should probably relisten to Ranki)
KV 453: Bashkirov
KV 456: Argerich/Jochum
KV 466: Pletnev
KV 467: Anda, YES
KV 482: Ayako Uehara, Anda
KV 488: Horowitz (and maybe Pletnev)
KV 491: Pletnev (and maybe Gould)
KV 503: Argerich/Goldberg
KV 537: Pletnev
KV 595: Probably Gilels

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Beethoven

Symphonies:

1 - Celibidache, Mengelberg
2 - Celibidache, Mengelberg
3 - Celibidache, Mengelberg (and probably Kleiber)
4 - Mengelberg (and maybe C. Kleiber)
5 - Celibidache, Mengelberg (and probably E. Kleiber)
6 - Mengelberg (and maybe Celibidache)
7 - not a symphony I like
8 - Mengelberg

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Missclick... I wasn't finished...

Beethoven

Symphonies continued:

9 - Celibidache, E. Kleiber and Mengelberg

Piano concertos:

1) Gould/Golschmann
2) Argerich/Abbado, Gould/Bernstein, Gould/Jochum
3) Gould/Bernstein, Gould/Karajan, Richter/Kondrashin,
Richter/Sanderling (and maybe Argerich)
4) Gould/Bernstein, Hansen/Furtwängler
5) Gould/Stokowski, Lang Lang/Eschenbach

That's it for now...

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1) Gould/Golschmann
2) Argerich/Abbado, Gould/Bernstein, Gould/Jochum
3) Gould/Bernstein, Gould/Karajan, Richter/Kondrashin,
Richter/Sanderling (and maybe Argerich)
4) Gould/Bernstein, Hansen/Furtwängler
5) Gould/Stokowski, Lang Lang/Eschenbach
That's it for now...

Oh man, I forgot to include Pletnev here... (actually just copied the
stuff from my Beethoven PC thread a while ago without double checking
(did so wrt Mozart PCs)... so add Pletnev in 1-4, but not in 5 I
think...

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1) Gould/Golschmann
2) Argerich/Abbado, Gould/Bernstein, Gould/Jochum
3) Gould/Bernstein, Gould/Karajan, Richter/Kondrashin,
Richter/Sanderling (and maybe Argerich)
4) Gould/Bernstein, Hansen/Furtwängler
5) Gould/Stokowski, Lang Lang/Eschenbach

Fuck the 5th… I don’t need it, just like his 7th symphony — I don’t like
these compositions. Also I don’t like Gould here… best imo is lang
lang/eschenbach…

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5) Gould/Stokowski, Lang Lang/Eschenbach

Fuck the 5th… I don’t need it, just like his 7th symphony — I don’t like
these compositions. Also I don’t like Gould here… best imo is lang
lang/eschenbach…

Nvm... Gould is actually good... maybe better than Lang Lang, but since
I don't like the piece I don't care to figure out... he likely is better
than Lang Lang though...

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9 - Celibidache, E. Kleiber and Mengelberg

Correction here: No need the Kleiber Box; both Kleibers suck imo...

Again and again I tried, sometimes I thought it clicked... but no...
they just suck.

Bernstein otoh has grown quite a bit in my estimation it seems...

So it's only Celibidache and Mengelberg in B9. And in Mozart 36 it's
Bernstein, in 33 it's probably Krips...

Maybe I should also ditch Kleiber's nozze and Mitropoulos' DG as well..
the singing might be okay, but the accompaniment just sucks...

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Hmmm and I might pick Karajan in Mozart symphony 32 — not really getting
warm with maag anymore, only had affinity for the slow movement in his
take…

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Okay… fuck kleiber‘s nozze… overrated beyond measure… but okay, it might
still actually be the third best… ^^ in the face of fricsay‘s and
karajan‘s though I don’t need it… the thing is not only wrt the cast but
also wrt accompaniment the other recordings are much better; fricsay
being the best accompanist.

Still keeping mitropoulos‘ dg though — it’s great

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Mozart symphony 32 — outer movements by krips, inner movement by maag…

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Okay... I think Imma keep the Östman Mozart Opera recordings... they are
all favorites now... his nozze is far better than Kleiber's (phrasing!)
and maybe also better than Karajan's... but not better than Fricsay's

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DG: Fricsay, Furtwängler (Orfeo & Warner), Klemperer, Krips

Oh damn... forgot to mention Mitropoulos here... Was just writing it
down from my head...

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1 - Celibidache, Mengelberg

argh only Mengelberg here... I was in auto-mode, since I consider both
favorites in many Beethoven Symphonies... I have not yet heard a
Celibidache B1 recording... but apparently there is one on yt, I'll
listen to it in time...

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Fav Mozart symphony 27 — harnoncourt

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Fav Mozart symphony 27 — harnoncourt

No… fuck harnoncourt… krips is the best in 27…

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KV 365: Gilels/Gilels

Okay, it's actually Brendel/Klien here - they are the best... screw
Gilels in Mozart. Should probably also look for someone else than
Bashkirov... yeah screw Bashkirov in Mozart.

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KV 595: Probably Gilels

Certainly not Gilels...

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KV 595: Probably Gilels

Certainly not Gilels...

Probably Anda here..

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KV 595: Probably Gilels

Certainly not Gilels...

Probably Anda here..

And probably Anda in 453 as well as in 449...

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Mozart
Operas
Serail: Beecham, Fricsay
nozze: Fricsay, Karajan, Kleiber
DG: Fricsay, Furtwängler (Orfeo & Warner), Klemperer, Krips
cosi: Böhm (Decca & Warner), Karajan
Zauberflöte: Bergman, Fricsay
41 - Probably Fricsay and/or Bernstein
40 - Celibidache
39 - Probably Bernstein
38 - Bernstein
36 - Bernstein, E. Kleiber
35 - Probably Fricsay and/or Bernstein
34 - Not sure yet
33 - E. Kleiber
32 - Maag (because of the slow movement)
31 - no idea yet
30 - no idea yet
29 - Bernstein
rest no idea yet

Correction; it’s probably more like this:

41 - Dohnanyi, Krips
40 - Celibidache
39 - Dohnányi, Krips
38 - Dohnányi, Krips
36 - Dohnányi, Krips
35 - Dohnányi, Krips
34 - Celibidache, Krips
33 - Krips
32 - Krips, Maag
29 - Krips
25 - Krips

Should probably relisten to Barbirolli‘s Mozart symphonies…

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No - Barbirolli sucks in Mozart.

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As does Britten btw.