A question for the Michelangeli experts

[PPeso]

In his early days ABM played the Mozart d minor concerto K466 without
adopting the customary Beethoven cadenzas. Do you know who wrote them?
Piero Rattalino - usually the go-to authority on Michelangeli - has no
idea. I tried the usual suspects (Reinecke, Busoni, Tagliapietra) with
no success. Michelangeli himself?

If you want to give it a try, this is the link to the 1951 Roma
recording with Giulini:

The 1st mvt cadenza starts at 11'07''. The 3rd mvt cadenza starts at
28'49''

[Zionazi]

Post by PPeso
In his early days ABM played the Mozart d minor concerto K466 without
adopting the customary Beethoven cadenzas. Do you know who wrote them?
Piero Rattalino - usually the go-to authority on Michelangeli - has no
idea. I tried the usual suspects (Reinecke, Busoni, Tagliapietra) with
no success. Michelangeli himself?
If you want to give it a try, this is the link to the 1951 Roma
http://youtu.be/efmC3KTAfIg
The 1st mvt cadenza starts at 11'07''. The 3rd mvt cadenza starts at
28'49''

I always thought - I’m no expert though - it were Michelangeli‘s own
cadenzas. He uses the same first movement cadenza with Mitropoulos:

Don’t like it too much though; but his 3rd movement cadenza with Giulini
I really like - it might even be my favorite/one of my favorites. A few
years ago this was actually my fav recording of 466.

With Mitropoulos he uses a different cadenza in the 3rd movement:

[Bloomfield]

A Comment to that YT suggests the 1951s are Brahms'.

[PPeso]

Post by Bloomfield
A Comment to that YT suggests the 1951s are Brahms'.

Good try, but unfortunately does not work (and afaik Brahms only wrote a
cadenza for the 1st mvt):

https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/49/IMSLP103991-PMLP15389-Brahms_Werke_Band_15_Breitkopf_JB_81_WoO_14_scan.pdf

So far, the best candidate seems ABM himself, at least with Giulini and
Mitropoulos. He used the Beethoven cadenzas as early as 1956 with De
Bavier. But maybe more info will surface...

[Bloomfield]

Have never heard, or seen a score of, the Hummel cadenza(s),but the
first mov. sounds a bit Hummel-ian,although the 3rd mov. does not. Fww.

[PPeso]

Post by Bloomfield
Have never heard, or seen a score of, the Hummel cadenza(s),but the
first mov. sounds a bit Hummel-ian,although the 3rd mov. does not. Fww.

Here is the Hummel:
https://ks15.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/9/93/IMSLP13275-Mozart-Hummel_Cadenza_for_k466_Concerto_-20.pdf

Indeed, whoever wrote the Michelangeli cadenzas likely knew the Hummel
ones (see for instance the bottom of p.24 where the right hand plays a
long trill on A and the left hand quotes the second theme of the 1st
mvt, and compare with 11'49'').

[DeepBlue]

Post by PPeso
In his early days ABM played the Mozart d minor concerto K466 without
adopting the customary Beethoven cadenzas. Do you know who wrote them?
Piero Rattalino - usually the go-to authority on Michelangeli - has no
idea. I tried the usual suspects (Reinecke, Busoni, Tagliapietra) with
no success. Michelangeli himself?
If you want to give it a try, this is the link to the 1951 Roma
http://youtu.be/efmC3KTAfIg
The 1st mvt cadenza starts at 11'07''. The 3rd mvt cadenza starts at
28'49''

ABM's own cadenzas. Wondering why he
stopped playing them in later performances.

[Owen Hartnett]

Post by DeepBlue

Post by PPeso
In his early days ABM played the Mozart d minor concerto K466 without
adopting the customary Beethoven cadenzas. Do you know who wrote them?
Piero Rattalino - usually the go-to authority on Michelangeli - has no
idea. I tried the usual suspects (Reinecke, Busoni, Tagliapietra) with
no success. Michelangeli himself?
If you want to give it a try, this is the link to the 1951 Roma
http://youtu.be/efmC3KTAfIg
The 1st mvt cadenza starts at 11'07''. The 3rd mvt cadenza starts at
28'49''

ABM's own cadenzas. Wondering why he
stopped playing them in later performances.

Maybe they became too hard to play?

-Owen