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"The Planets" (survey of recordings)
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2014-02-11 20:02:11 UTC
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2014-02-11 20:07:26 UTC
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Did Ruben Studdard really deserve to win American Idol over Clay Aiken?

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2014-02-11 20:16:05 UTC
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Concerning Charles Groves' NEPTUNE on Youtube, am I the only one who finds it mesmerizing?
David Fox
2014-02-11 21:58:12 UTC
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Concerning Charles Groves' NEPTUNE on Youtube, am I the only one who finds it mesmerizing?
Did Ruben Studdard really deserve to win American Idol over Clay Aiken?

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Frank Berger
2014-02-11 22:06:28 UTC
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What do you have to say about this survey? Agree? Disagree?
Oversights? Any thoughts at all?
wade
2014-02-12 00:06:25 UTC
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What do you have to say about this survey? Agree? Disagree?
Oversights? Any thoughts at all?
The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version. The U.S. dark green cover with the image of Saturn grabbed my attention and I was never disappointed with it. I have had the later recording and the earlier Boults but never were quite the same for me.
Bozo
2014-02-12 00:14:04 UTC
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The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version.
I can report the 2-piano version is a waste of time and money.
David Fox
2014-02-12 00:17:57 UTC
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The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version.
I can report the 2-piano version is a waste of time and money.
Agreed. It's up there (or down there) in the list of pieces that make
no sense as piano reductions. Another is Bartok's Concerto for
Orchestra. There's also a two-piano no-chorus reduction of Brahms'
German Requiem.

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David Fox
2014-02-12 00:26:27 UTC
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The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version.
I can report the 2-piano version is a waste of time and money.
Agreed. It's up there (or down there) in the list of pieces that make
no sense as piano reductions. Another is Bartok's Concerto for
Orchestra. There's also a two-piano no-chorus reduction of Brahms'
German Requiem.
DF
Important qualification - I sometimes download piano reductions from
ISMLP of pieces that should never be reduced and play through them for
fun and/or sheer perversity. Bruckner and Mahler symphonies are
particular favorites. There's practically nothing in the standard rep
that hasn't been reduced at one time or another.

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2014-02-12 03:22:46 UTC
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The is actually an MGD cd of duo pianists playing versions of Mahler 6th and 7th symphonies. I will probably give mine to our public library for a tax deduction , although the deduction would be a very small amount of value.
Bozo
2014-02-12 16:43:19 UTC
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The is actually an MGD cd of duo pianists playing versions of Mahler 6th and >7th symphonies.
Here, piano 4-hands ! : http://tinyurl.com/kpujfdz
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2014-02-12 03:49:29 UTC
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Important qualification - I sometimes download piano reductions from
ISMLP of pieces that should never be reduced and play through them for
fun and/or sheer perversity. Bruckner and Mahler symphonies are
particular favorites.
I did quite enjoy Chitose Okashiro's solo piano reduction of Mahler 1.

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2014-02-12 15:11:43 UTC
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Important qualification - I sometimes download piano reductions from
ISMLP of pieces that should never be reduced and play through them for
fun and/or sheer perversity. Bruckner and Mahler symphonies are
particular favorites. There's practically nothing in the standard rep
that hasn't been reduced at one time or another.
DF
I do this too. I had a good deal of amusement with the reduction of Also Sprach Zarathustra and Beethoven's Egmont and Coriolan Overtures (the last of which fares the best in reduction).

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2014-02-12 17:29:22 UTC
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Important qualification - I sometimes download piano reductions from
ISMLP of pieces that should never be reduced and play through them for
fun and/or sheer perversity. Bruckner and Mahler symphonies are
particular favorites. There's practically nothing in the standard rep
that hasn't been reduced at one time or another.
DF
I do this too. I had a good deal of amusement with the reduction of Also Sprach Zarathustra and Beethoven's Egmont and Coriolan Overtures (the last of which fares the best in reduction).
Mark
First time I heard the 2-piano reduction of the Egmont overture was in High school. I thought it was pretty exciting to hear. At that point I didnt know the original.
Herman
2014-02-12 07:33:48 UTC
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The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version.
I can report the 2-piano version is a waste of time and money.
Why aren't you playing along?

In these threads you're supposed to use the question form and post a long (irrelavnt) url, the longer the better?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/us/with-iowa-swabian-hall-a-farmers-quest-for-perfect-pig.html
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2014-02-12 13:09:32 UTC
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Why aren't you playing along?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/us/with-iowa-swabian-hall-a-farmers-quest-for-perfect->pig.html
" ... part of the upscale culinary culture ...He shoots guns and soaks in "hillbilly hot tubs" (dig a hole, lay a tarp, fill with water and dive in)... " I can build a motorcycle, I can fly a model airplane, I can throw somebody out of a bar, I can wrestle a pig and I can program a computer," he said. "

Add in pianophile, and you have the typical Iowan.
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2014-02-12 08:27:40 UTC
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The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version.
I can report the 2-piano version is a waste of time and money.
On Youtube, there are 2 2-piano versions of THE PLANETS and even one for organ.
Frank Berger
2014-02-12 00:19:28 UTC
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What do you have to say about this survey? Agree? Disagree?
Oversights? Any thoughts at all?
The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version. The U.S. dark green cover with the image of Saturn grabbed my attention and I was never disappointed with it. I have had the later recording and the earlier Boults but never were quite the same for me.
I partial to Steinberg.
Ed Presson
2014-02-12 01:21:16 UTC
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What do you have to say about this survey? Agree? Disagree?
Oversights? Any thoughts at all?
The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version. The U.S. dark green cover
with the image of Saturn grabbed my attention and I was never disappointed
with it. I have had the later recording and the earlier Boults but never
were quite the same for me.
I partial to Steinberg.
I concur.

Ed Presson
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2014-02-12 08:22:37 UTC
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What do you have to say about this survey? Agree? Disagree?
Oversights? Any thoughts at all?
The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version. The U.S. dark green cover with the image of Saturn grabbed my attention and I was never disappointed with it. I have had the later recording and the earlier Boults but never were quite the same for me.
I partial to Steinberg.
So is this reviewer:

http://www.1000recordings.com/music/planets/
Frank Berger
2014-02-12 12:53:33 UTC
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What do you have to say about this survey? Agree? Disagree?
Oversights? Any thoughts at all?
The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version. The U.S. dark green cover with the image of Saturn grabbed my attention and I was never disappointed with it. I have had the later recording and the earlier Boults but never were quite the same for me.
I partial to Steinberg.
http://www.1000recordings.com/music/planets/
I repeat. Do you have any opinions of your own?
Lionel Tacchini
2014-02-13 10:32:10 UTC
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I repeat. Do you have any opinions of your own?
Obviously not but it doesn't matter at all. This newsgroup has something
like a robot posting very long URL's to articles about music to it and
we are free to ignore them or engage in discussions about the contents
of the articles.

The quality of the discussions is ours to make.

So what's a good recording of that demoted stone Pluto?
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Lionel Tacchini
Frank Berger
2014-02-13 15:00:27 UTC
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I repeat. Do you have any opinions of your own?
Obviously not but it doesn't matter at all. This newsgroup has something
like a robot posting very long URL's to articles about music to it and
we are free to ignore them or engage in discussions about the contents
of the articles.
The quality of the discussions is ours to make.
So what's a good recording of that demoted stone Pluto?
Searching Amazon for "Holst and Pluto" reveals several. Personally, I
don't think the work itself is worth listening to. And what's with that
"Renewer" tag?
Bob Harper
2014-02-13 02:37:31 UTC
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I partial to Steinberg.
http://www.1000recordings.com/music/planets/
Have you an opinion, or do you merely look for and quote the views of
others? Silly question, apparently.

Bob Harper
Herman
2014-02-13 08:15:04 UTC
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I partial to Steinberg.
http://www.1000recordings.com/music/planets/
Have you an opinion, or do you merely look for and quote the views of
others? Silly question, apparently.
Bob Harper
That "1000recordings" thing appears to be this guy's Bible.
Kerrison
2014-02-12 00:22:29 UTC
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What do you have to say about this survey? Agree? Disagree?
Oversights? Any thoughts at all?
The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version. The U.S. dark green cover with the image of Saturn grabbed my attention and I was never disappointed with it. I have had the later recording and the earlier Boults but never were quite the same for me.
That 1999 "survey" is well in need of an update. I'm not so sure this Wiki 'Planets' Discog isn't in need of an update either, unless of course there haven't been any new recordings in the last three years ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Planets_discography
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2014-02-12 08:26:54 UTC
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What do you have to say about this survey? Agree? Disagree?
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The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version. The U.S. dark green cover with the image of Saturn grabbed my attention and I was never disappointed with it. I have had the later recording and the earlier Boults but never were quite the same for me.
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2014-02-12 14:07:46 UTC
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What do you have to say about this survey? Agree? Disagree?
Oversights? Any thoughts at all?
The Boult/NPO Planets was my imprint version. The U.S. dark green cover with the image of Saturn grabbed my attention and I was never disappointed with it. I have had the later recording and the earlier Boults but never were quite the same for me.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HBSA5R10L.jpg
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2014-02-12 01:32:32 UTC
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Yan-Pascal Tortelier's with the BBC Philharmonic (one of those discs that came with the magazine)
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2014-02-13 06:23:41 UTC
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Wotter hell happened to the version with the "extra" planet, Pluto, added by "esteemed" composer Colin Matthews? There was a CD and a BBC? DVD. I used to quite enjoy them. But I'd rather listen to Holst's operas, "The Wandering Scholar," Savitri ... . And last year was treated to live performances of his Choral Hymns from the Rig Veda and the early Wagnerian tone poem, Indra.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/arts/music/08plut.html?_r=0

Ooops! Pluto was demoted to a planetoid.

Neverrr mind.
Ray Hall
2014-02-13 19:28:43 UTC
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Ooops! Pluto was demoted to a planetoid.
Neverrr mind.
Isn't it about time someone re-titled the heading of this thread? I am
concerned about the orchestral versions, not some clangy pianna x-hands
version. I want maximum mystery out of this work. Few conductors have
succeeded.

Lloyd-Jones does Pluto on his version for Naxos, but mystery is somewhat
lacking in the other planets.

Ray Hall, Taree
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2014-02-17 13:26:06 UTC
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Part of a review of last week's Minnesota Orchestra performance :

" The program was thought-provoking. Here were two major English works composed just a few years apart but with radically different character: Edward Elgar's introverted and melancholy Cello Concerto in E minor, completed in 1919, and Gustav Holst's high-calorie and extroverted set of tone poems, "The Planets," finished just two years earlier. Intriguing though the pairing was, it caused a problem. We tend to perceive music in a context, so hearing the Elgar first, especially in so sensitive a performance as that given by the cellist Steven Isserlis, made "The Planets," coming after intermission, seem even more loud and vulgar than it usually does, something like heavy-metal rock for -orchestra."
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2014-02-13 08:25:54 UTC
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Another discussion which may be of interest:

http://www.talkclassical.com/5739-best-recording-planets.html
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2014-02-13 11:31:34 UTC
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I heard Vernon Handley's NEPTUNE on Youtube and the tempo is too fast for me.
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2014-02-13 08:30:16 UTC
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Yet another discussion which may be of interest:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/5905/whats-the-best-recording-of-holst-the-planets
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2020-05-05 01:42:25 UTC
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2020 Review of Michael Stern's cd:

https://theartsdesk.com/classical-music/classical-cds-and-vinyl-weekly-beethoven-holst
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https://theartsdesk.com/classical-music/classical-cds-and-vinyl-weekly-beethoven-holst
Thanks. But the link also gives a fine review of the Adam Fischer Beethoven Symphony set on Naxos, to wit:

"These perfomances are witty, volatile and full of energy. Strings play with no vibrato, hard timpani sticks are used, and speeds are predominantly fast. There's some weird stuff going on in Beethoven’s shorter, even-numbered symphonies, and Fischer relishes every quirksome detail. Like the weird violin trills which almost disrupt No 2’s jaunty second subject, or the violent musical sneeze which opens the same work’s finale. The syncopations in No 4’s first movement are seriously unsettling, in a good way. Fischer's account of No 8 has to be one of the best out there, culminating in a riotous last movement. Listen to the lower strings rumbling away at 1:12. Wow. And the bizarre sequence of chords before the race to the finish, as if Beethoven hasn’t quite worked out how to wind things up. All brilliant, and superbly played."

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As is usually the case, the Stern / Kansas CD is uploaded onto YouTube but at a very low volume level, with 'Mars' of all pieces sounding rather tame ...



Now, without changing your volume level, listen to Steinberg and his Bostonians putting the Kansas band completely in the shade ...



Even a 1995 radio broadcast by D R Davies and the SFSO sounds more spectacular than the Kern CD ...



Is 'The Planets' the most recorded English composition from an international point of view?
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2020-05-05 21:41:09 UTC
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As is usually the case, the Stern / Kansas CD is uploaded onto YouTube but at a very low volume level, with 'Mars' of all pieces sounding rather tame ...
http://youtu.be/JzT7rZtk60Q
Now, without changing your volume level, listen to Steinberg and his Bostonians putting the Kansas band completely in the shade ...
http://youtu.be/PlHn90j2Ri4
Even a 1995 radio broadcast by D R Davies and the SFSO sounds more spectacular than the Kern CD ...
http://youtu.be/HLT5qferbbQ
Is 'The Planets' the most recorded English composition from an international point of view?
The most recorded English composition is "Yesterday," by the Beatles.
If you mean classical music, what about "Greensleeves?"
Any piece of music has a shelf life. Will anyone know "Yesterday" in
1000 years? 200? For most of "Greensleeves" life there was no such thing
as recording. So wherever it ranks will not convey its popularity
correctly.
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How true. Lest we not forget, in the early days of the LP one could choose from
two Planets in the catalogue (Boult II or Sargent) or one out-of-print (Boult I on
an RCA LHMV disc). It’s explosive growth has no doubt been fueled by radio
and recordings.

Jerry
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As is usually the case, the Stern / Kansas CD is uploaded onto YouTube but at a very low volume level, with 'Mars' of all pieces sounding rather tame ...
http://youtu.be/JzT7rZtk60Q
I wouldn't say 'tame', but rather more gentle and restrained. Concerning the opening, I could hear the individual instruments just as in the choral sections, there was greater differentiation in the choral parts. But the fade out at the end began too soon.
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As is usually the case, the Stern / Kansas CD is uploaded onto YouTube but at a very low volume level, with 'Mars' of all pieces sounding rather tame...
I listened to Neptune and for the most part liked it.

I wouldn't call it 'tame', but rather more gentle and restrained. Concerning the opening, I could hear the individual instruments just as in the choral sections, there was greater differentiation of the choral parts. But the fade out at the end began too soon.
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Imogen Holst herself recommended Karajan's VPO from the early 60s as the best. I like Sargent BBCSO 1958 HMV.
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Imogen Holst herself recommended Karajan's VPO from the early 60s as the best...
Considering that she died a few years after Karajan's BPO recording was released, I wonder what she would have thought of that. The tempo of that Neptune is a lot slower.
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(Recent Youtube upload):

Review: The Planets in Kansas City--Fascinatin' Rhythm!
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Review: The Planets in Kansas City--Fascinatin' Rhythm!
(Recent Youtube upload):

Repertoire: The BEST Holst--The Planets
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(Recent Youtube upload):

Holst: "The Planets" Sir Adrian Boult/Boston S.O., 1946 live restored
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