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Ordinary_CWH
2006-10-21 18:21:52 UTC
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Hi, everyone. I am just a beginger to listen to classical music (>2
year), and I like Schubert's works most.

How do you guys think about Schubert?Can you tell me about Symphony
No.5? I think it's fantastic and gorgeous at all. Besides, I think
"Great" is also suit to me - the horn sounds great. I feel warm when I
listen the 1st movement.

Please give me some respond for it.


Thanks a lot.;-)
rkhalona
2006-10-21 22:37:49 UTC
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Post by Ordinary_CWH
Hi, everyone. I am just a beginger to listen to classical music (>2
year), and I like Schubert's works most.
How do you guys think about Schubert?Can you tell me about Symphony
No.5? I think it's fantastic and gorgeous at all. Besides, I think
"Great" is also suit to me - the horn sounds great. I feel warm when I
listen the 1st movement.
Please give me some respond for it.
Thanks a lot.;-)
You have excellent taste. The Schubert 5th, especially the beginning,
is a lyrical wonder.
Which recording are you listening to?

RK
Francisco López
2006-10-22 07:11:28 UTC
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Post by Ordinary_CWH
Hi, everyone. I am just a beginger to listen to classical music (>2
year), and I like Schubert's works most.
How do you guys think about Schubert?Can you tell me about Symphony
No.5? I think it's fantastic and gorgeous at all. Besides, I think
"Great" is also suit to me - the horn sounds great. I feel warm when I
listen the 1st movement.
Please give me some respond for it.
Thanks a lot.;-)
Schubert is one of the giants of classical music. Great influence in later
composers very different, like Dvorák and Bruckner. If you're interested in
symphonies 5 & 9, try the rest. The 4 and the 8 are equally masterful
(although I think the 9 surpass all the rest, and is one of the most deep,
perfect and original symphonies of all times). Don't let you discourage by
many people that think that the number 1 and number 2 are "minor", and all
that stuff. My favorite recording of all symphonies is, probably, the one
made by a german conductor called Günter Wand, published by BMG/RCA, 09026
63940 2; or, better said, I think this is one recording that can be very
good if you're approaching Schubert now, but that will last in your
collection if you are fond of Schubert 10 or 20 years later.

Schubert is also a master of chamber music. Quartets 12-15 are astonishing.
What I said about symphony number 9 compared with the rest, must be applied
to quartet number 15 (and, if sometime you are interested in Bruckner, then
listen very carefully to this quartet, especially the first movement). Same
for the Quintet for strings D956, other Himalaya of classical music (not
just of Schubert's output). Piano sonatas 19-21 (D958-D960) are equally
absorbing and impressive, as is a cycle of Lieder called "Winterreise". But
all that is "heavy" stuff, in emotional and musical terms; so, if you want
something in the line of Symphony number 5, more "light" (but masterful) you
could go to the Quintet for strings and piano D 667 "Trout", or earlier
piano sonatas like D664, or the Impromptus and Moment Musicaux for piano, or
an earlier Lieder cycle called "Die Schöne Mullerin", or his two piano trios
D898 & D 929.

I could go on and on: the Fantasia "Wanderer" for piano, one of the most
bretahtaking piano music of the time; the Sonata "Arpeggione" for cello and
piano (although it wasn't written for cello, but it is performed today on
that instrument), all the piano sonatas from D575, around 300 songs more or
less... But infestigate for yourself: Schubert is worth of it.
Ordinary_CWH
2006-10-22 13:54:43 UTC
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Re both of you,

Thanks for your suggestions.=)

Regret to say that, I am just a rookie, talking about Brucker's
symphonies, I don't have much impression to them. I try listening to
different composers works borrowed from libraries and therefore, I
forget the versons. I think the quantities and qualities of the CDs are
not satisfying my desired. However, since I am busying with my school
work, I don't have much time look for CDs from cd shops / HMV etc. I
don't know where I can find the whole set of symphonies of Mahler and
Schubert. I heard from my friend said that Schubert actually only got
Symphonies no.4,5,6,8,9. Was it true? If not, where can I collect them
all? Any recommandation ? (I live in Hong Kong) I like symphones,
concertos the most. I am quite a pessimistic person but with hope,
minor tone is my favour, with smooth, harsh and climax - like life,
there's always changes and we can't observe it. And for major, I prefer
reslpendent, gorgeous, strong and victory sensations.
From my little sharing,
In major,

Schubert: Symphony No.5 in B-flat major 1st mov.
Symphony No.9 C major D.944 "Great" 1st mov.
Mozart: Symphony No.41.K551 "Jupitar" 1st and 4th mov.


In minor,
Mozart: Symphony No.40.K550
Beethoven: Symphony No.5 "Fate"
Schubert: Symphony No.4 "Tragic"
Symphony No.8 "Unfinished"
Mahler: Symphony No. 2 "Resurrection"
Vivaldi : Violin Concerto No.2 "Summer"
Violin Concerto No.4 "Winer"

Ofcourse here is only a little from my CD shelf, but I think they're
the best.( The list will change when time gone)

OK, stop here first.

-Ven.
Satid S.
2006-10-22 13:47:44 UTC
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Post by Ordinary_CWH
Hi, everyone. I am just a beginger to listen to classical music (>2
year), and I like Schubert's works most.
How do you guys think about Schubert?Can you tell me about Symphony
No.5? I think it's fantastic and gorgeous at all. Besides, I think
"Great" is also suit to me - the horn sounds great. I feel warm when I
listen the 1st movement.
I also like Schubert's no.5 which expresses the classical spirit at its
most charmimg. The perfrrmance of no.5+8+9 by Solti with Vienna
Philharmonic on Double Decca is one of the best recording in terms of
performance and recorded sound. Brilliant classics has Schubert's
complete symphonies set by Muti conducting Vienna Philharmonic at an
attractive price.

Schubert's Piano Trio no.2 in E flat, D929 is a heaven-inspired beauty
of this genre. Full of lyrical charms, especially the 2nd movement. The
performance of Beaux Arts Trio on Philips Duo set is one of the best
recording of this work. I also like Stuttgart Piano Trio's performance
on Naxos. And Naxos has just isuued a new performance of this work by
Kungsbacka Trio of this work that received many good reviews.

Schubert's late string quartets (no.13-15) are also admirable. The
mysterios no.13, the outbursting emotional no.14 (Death and the
Maiden), and the sublime no.15. I have the perofrmance of Brandis
Quartet which is very well performed and recorded. It is now available
cheaply on Regis 2-cd set. But there is a promotion going on for
Emerson Quartet (coupled with String Quintet) on DG Trio box set at
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/advsearch.php?composer=schubert&work=&performer=emerson&medium=all&label=&cat=.


Satid S.
sechumlib
2006-10-22 15:19:35 UTC
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Schubert's Piano Trio no.2 in E flat, D929 is a heaven-inspired beauty
of this genre. Full of lyrical charms, especially the 2nd movement. The
performance of Beaux Arts Trio on Philips Duo set is one of the best
recording of this work. I also like Stuttgart Piano Trio's performance
on Naxos. And Naxos has just isuued a new performance of this work by
Kungsbacka Trio of this work that received many good reviews.
Schubert's late string quartets (no.13-15) are also admirable. The
mysterios no.13, the outbursting emotional no.14 (Death and the
Maiden), and the sublime no.15. I have the perofrmance of Brandis
Quartet which is very well performed and recorded. It is now available
cheaply on Regis 2-cd set. But there is a promotion going on for
Emerson Quartet (coupled with String Quintet) on DG Trio box set at
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/advsearch.php?composer=schubert&work=&performer=emerson&medium=all&label=&cat=.
Ah,
but you barely mention the string quintet. It is the highest reach of
heaven! Nothing else like it in the world of classical music.
Bob Lombard
2006-10-22 16:23:52 UTC
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Ah,
but you barely mention the string quintet. It is the highest reach of
heaven! Nothing else like it in the world of classical music.
Heaven? Heaven as a deeply sad place is a new concept for me. Beauty and
the death of it. The OP should be aware that the first hearing of the
quintet could be a traumatic experience. My first experience was the
Alban Berg recording; drove me to drink.

bl
sechumlib
2006-10-22 17:03:02 UTC
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Ah,
but you barely mention the string quintet. It is the highest reach of
heaven! Nothing else like it in the world of classical music.
Heaven? Heaven as a deeply sad place is a new concept for me. Beauty
and the death of it. The OP should be aware that the first hearing of
the quintet could be a traumatic experience. My first experience was
the Alban Berg recording; drove me to drink.
It's an atheist's heaven: just like the real world. :-)
Paul Ilechko
2006-10-22 20:27:10 UTC
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Heaven? Heaven as a deeply sad place is a new concept for me. Beauty and
the death of it. The OP should be aware that the first hearing of the
quintet could be a traumatic experience. My first experience was the
Alban Berg recording; drove me to drink.
My first experience was also the AB recording, but then I heard several
better ones and ended up selling the Bergs.
Bob Lombard
2006-10-23 01:29:51 UTC
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Post by Bob Lombard
Heaven? Heaven as a deeply sad place is a new concept for me. Beauty
and the death of it. The OP should be aware that the first hearing of
the quintet could be a traumatic experience. My first experience was
the Alban Berg recording; drove me to drink.
My first experience was also the AB recording, but then I heard
several better ones and ended up selling the Bergs.
Most others are at least warmer, though not better played.

bl
Paul Ilechko
2006-10-23 01:35:13 UTC
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Heaven? Heaven as a deeply sad place is a new concept for me. Beauty
and the death of it. The OP should be aware that the first hearing of
the quintet could be a traumatic experience. My first experience was
the Alban Berg recording; drove me to drink.
My first experience was also the AB recording, but then I heard
several better ones and ended up selling the Bergs.
Most others are at least warmer, though not better played.
That's not how I would say it. In fact, I think the AB recording is
quite warm, just not very interesting. The Hungarian Quartet recording,
which I think is far superior, I would not describe as being
particularly warm.
Bob Lombard
2006-10-23 02:52:15 UTC
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Heaven? Heaven as a deeply sad place is a new concept for me.
Beauty and the death of it. The OP should be aware that the first
hearing of the quintet could be a traumatic experience. My first
experience was the Alban Berg recording; drove me to drink.
My first experience was also the AB recording, but then I heard
several better ones and ended up selling the Bergs.
Most others are at least warmer, though not better played.
That's not how I would say it. In fact, I think the AB recording is
quite warm, just not very interesting. The Hungarian Quartet
recording, which I think is far superior, I would not describe as
being particularly warm.
Despair is never warm; I find the ABQ version particularly cold, so
bleak an outlook that what others render as crimson shading to dark red
eventually becomes mostly blackness with swirls of ocher.

bl
Gerard
2006-10-23 07:09:40 UTC
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Most others are at least warmer, though not better played.
That's not how I would say it. In fact, I think the AB recording is
quite warm, just not very interesting. The Hungarian Quartet
recording, which I think is far superior, I would not describe as
being particularly warm.
Despair is never warm; I find the ABQ version particularly cold, so
bleak an outlook that what others render as crimson shading to dark
red eventually becomes mostly blackness with swirls of ocher.
Doesn't that fit the music very well? These tones naked in the cold?
Ordinary_CWH
2006-10-23 13:55:30 UTC
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String quintet!
String Quintet KV 593 - Mozart
I love it, a dream like paradise...<3.
It gives me relief.
My saviour, my soil.
I really want my time is full of music.
However, I can't.
Otherwise I will break the school rule.
Paul Ilechko
2006-10-23 14:08:51 UTC
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Despair is never warm; I find the ABQ version particularly cold, so
bleak an outlook that what others render as crimson shading to dark red
eventually becomes mostly blackness with swirls of ocher.
Didn't realize that you had synesthesia !
Bob Lombard
2006-10-23 15:04:06 UTC
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Despair is never warm; I find the ABQ version particularly cold, so
bleak an outlook that what others render as crimson shading to dark
red eventually becomes mostly blackness with swirls of ocher.
Didn't realize that you had synesthesia !
More like a substitution of metaphor for technical language I don't
know.

bl
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2021-12-31 08:50:17 UTC
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Hi, everyone. I am just a beginger to listen to classical music (>2
year), and I like Schubert's works most.
How do you guys think about Schubert?Can you tell me about Symphony
No.5? I think it's fantastic and gorgeous at all. Besides, I think
"Great" is also suit to me - the horn sounds great. I feel warm when I
listen the 1st movement.
Please give me some respond for it.
Thanks a lot.;-)
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