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Liszt Transcriptions of Schubert Lieder
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Charles H. Sampson
2011-05-24 08:05:04 UTC
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It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?

Charlie
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HvT
2011-05-24 08:49:33 UTC
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It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
Charlie
Bolet recorded a number of Schubert/Liszt transcriptions: die Forelle, der
Müller, Wohin?, Lebe wohl!, das Wandern, der Lindenbaum, die Lerch, auf dem
Wasser, die Post, Aufenthalt, Lob der Tränen, and Erlkönig. It's one of
Bolet's best recordings.

Henk
Dufus
2011-05-24 12:56:39 UTC
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. It's one of
Bolet's best recordings.
Agreed.
pianomaven
2011-05-24 15:05:35 UTC
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. It's one of
Bolet's best recordings.
Agreed.
Disagree. Too phlegmatic. Too controlled in the late manner of JB.

TD
David Fox
2011-05-24 19:53:12 UTC
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. It's one of
Bolet's best recordings.
Agreed.
Agreed also. He made two recordings. One in the early 70's on
Ensayo, and another on Decca in the late 70's/early 80's. I slightly
prefer the Ensayo performances, but the recorded sound of the Decca is
much better. Also, the Decca recording contains more selections.
Bolet was inconsistent in the studio, especially toward the end, but
these recordings do not catch him either too late or too uninvolved.
I listened to the Decca just a few weeks ago and I enjoyed it more
than I thought I would based on my memory. The Ensayo recordings have
a little more forward momentum while in the Decca he tends to
luxuriate in his own sound a little more. Given the beautiful sound
he brings forth, it's hard to blame him.

DF
pianomaven
2011-05-24 21:25:18 UTC
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. It's one of
Bolet's best recordings.
Agreed.
Agreed also.  He made two recordings.  One in the early 70's on
Ensayo, and another on Decca in the late 70's/early 80's.
The Ensayo was in the early 60s.

Both are only OK. Nothing special.

TD
David Fox
2011-05-24 22:35:41 UTC
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. It's one of
Bolet's best recordings.
Agreed.
Agreed also.  He made two recordings.  One in the early 70's on
Ensayo, and another on Decca in the late 70's/early 80's.
The Ensayo was in the early 60s.
Both are only OK. Nothing special.
TD
The recording date is listed as 1972. Gramophone first reviews it in
1974.

http://bit.ly/kTGPKv


DF
pianomaven
2011-05-25 00:18:41 UTC
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. It's one of
Bolet's best recordings.
Agreed.
Agreed also.  He made two recordings.  One in the early 70's on
Ensayo, and another on Decca in the late 70's/early 80's.
The Ensayo was in the early 60s.
Both are only OK. Nothing special.
TD
The recording date is listed as 1972.  Gramophone first reviews it in
1974.
Hardly credible.

TD
woytek
2011-05-24 09:53:25 UTC
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     It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about.  Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
                                Charlie
--
[A certain TV newsreader] had a role to play: presenter of the Other
Side of the Argument, to whom fair-minded people were obligated to
pay heed, no matter what nonsense he spouted.
Charlie Pierce, Idiot America
Sofronitzky! In Brilliant Classics box - Die Stadt; Die junge Nonne,
Am Meer;
Frühlingsglaube; Auf dem Wasser zu singen; Der
Doppelgänger; Erlkönig. Sound is of course so-so but interpretations
are splendid!
pianomaven
2011-05-24 10:21:00 UTC
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     It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about.  Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
                                Charlie
--
[A certain TV newsreader] had a role to play: presenter of the Other
Side of the Argument, to whom fair-minded people were obligated to
pay heed, no matter what nonsense he spouted.
Charlie Pierce, Idiot America
Sofronitzky! In Brilliant Classics box - Die Stadt; Die junge Nonne,
Am Meer;
Frühlingsglaube; Auf dem Wasser zu singen; Der
Doppelgänger; Erlkönig. Sound is of course so-so but interpretations
are splendid!
Ghindin has made two CDs in Japan. And Leslie Howard has recorded
every single one of them for Hyperion.

TD
bassppn
2011-05-24 15:26:14 UTC
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     It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about.  Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
                                Charlie
--
[A certain TV newsreader] had a role to play: presenter of the Other
Side of the Argument, to whom fair-minded people were obligated to
pay heed, no matter what nonsense he spouted.
Charlie Pierce, Idiot America
Sofronitzky! In Brilliant Classics box - Die Stadt; Die junge Nonne,
Am Meer;
Frühlingsglaube; Auf dem Wasser zu singen; Der
Doppelgänger; Erlkönig. Sound is of course so-so but interpretations
are splendid!
Ghindin has made two CDs in Japan. And Leslie Howard has recorded
every single one of them for Hyperion.
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Volodos also recorded a number of them

AB
pianomaven
2011-05-24 21:23:13 UTC
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     It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about.  Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
                                Charlie
--
[A certain TV newsreader] had a role to play: presenter of the Other
Side of the Argument, to whom fair-minded people were obligated to
pay heed, no matter what nonsense he spouted.
Charlie Pierce, Idiot America
Sofronitzky! In Brilliant Classics box - Die Stadt; Die junge Nonne,
Am Meer;
Frühlingsglaube; Auf dem Wasser zu singen; Der
Doppelgänger; Erlkönig. Sound is of course so-so but interpretations
are splendid!
Ghindin has made two CDs in Japan. And Leslie Howard has recorded
every single one of them for Hyperion.
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Volodos also recorded a number of them
That would have shaken up the landscape considerably, I should think.

TD
mandryka
2011-05-24 14:50:24 UTC
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     It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about.  Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
                                Charlie
--
[A certain TV newsreader] had a role to play: presenter of the Other
Side of the Argument, to whom fair-minded people were obligated to
pay heed, no matter what nonsense he spouted.
Charlie Pierce, Idiot America
Sofronitzky! In Brilliant Classics box - Die Stadt; Die junge Nonne,
Am Meer;
Frühlingsglaube; Auf dem Wasser zu singen; Der
Doppelgänger; Erlkönig. Sound is of course so-so but interpretations
are splendid!
I don't know what is on the Brilliant box bit I think his performances
of these things improved over the years. Basically, I like the most
the recordings he made in 1960, especially the Miller and the Brook.
Sofronitsky said that it wasn't an objective of his to make the piano
sing -- so the way he takes these song transcriptions may be a
surprise to the OP. I expect it's all on youtube.

I think Sofronitsky was an excellent Schubert player. And indeed an
excellent Liszt player.

There is, by the way, a performace of Erlkonig on youtube:



Simone Pedrone is good too.
mandryka
2011-05-24 16:06:41 UTC
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Post by woytek
     It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about.  Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
                                Charlie
--
[A certain TV newsreader] had a role to play: presenter of the Other
Side of the Argument, to whom fair-minded people were obligated to
pay heed, no matter what nonsense he spouted.
Charlie Pierce, Idiot America
Sofronitzky! In Brilliant Classics box - Die Stadt; Die junge Nonne,
Am Meer;
Frühlingsglaube; Auf dem Wasser zu singen; Der
Doppelgänger; Erlkönig. Sound is of course so-so but interpretations
are splendid!
I don't know what is on the Brilliant box bit I think his performances
of these things improved over the years. Basically, I like the most
the recordings he made in 1960, especially the Miller and the Brook.
Sofronitsky said that it wasn't an objective of his to make the piano
sing -- so the way he takes these song transcriptions may be a
surprise to the OP. I expect it's all on youtube.
I think Sofronitsky was an excellent Schubert player. And indeed an
excellent Liszt player.
http://youtu.be/ZYOqmfiKCNE
Simone Pedrone is good too.
That should have said:

There is, by the way, a performace of Erlkonig on youtube, by
Sviatoslav Richter

http://youtu.be/ZYOqmfiKCNE
Terry
2011-05-24 13:24:17 UTC
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It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
Charlie
There's a good one on Naxos, played by Oxana Yablonskaya.
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Alan Cooper
2011-05-24 13:30:48 UTC
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It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of
Schubert lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is
there a recommended recording of anybody doing a decent
performance of several of them?
Charlie
There's a good one on Naxos, played by Oxana Yablonskaya.
That's volume 1; there's also a second volume in the same series with performances by
Valerie Tryon. They're both good. (Tryon is a particularly fine Liszt player.)
Like Howard's set (aso well played), mainly for those who want all of the
transcriptions, possibly too much of a muchness. Others might prefer selections such
as Bolet's, Sofronitsky's, Berman's, Kissin's.

AC
Matthew B. Tepper
2011-05-24 14:35:57 UTC
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It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of
several of them?
Charlie
There's a good one on Naxos, played by Oxana Yablonskaya.
That's volume 1; there's also a second volume in the same series with
performances by Valerie Tryon. They're both good. (Tryon is a
particularly fine Liszt player.) Like Howard's set (aso well played),
mainly for those who want all of the transcriptions, possibly too much
of a muchness. Others might prefer selections such as Bolet's,
Sofronitsky's, Berman's, Kissin's.
AC
Berman's repertoire dwindled over the years, but his later recitals (and
recordings) always seemed to include a group of these.
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Kip Williams
2011-05-24 14:23:37 UTC
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Post by Charles H. Sampson
It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
There's a good one on Naxos, played by Oxana Yablonskaya.
Leslie Howard has recorded them all, including variants. The Naxos is
probably a good lower-priced alternative. Frederic Chiu recorded
"Schwangengesang" (plus The Trout). I used to like Lazar Berman's LP
with one side devoted to the song transcriptions, but haven't seen it in
CD form.


Kip W
Matthew B. Tepper
2011-05-24 14:35:57 UTC
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Post by Charles H. Sampson
It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
There's a good one on Naxos, played by Oxana Yablonskaya.
Leslie Howard has recorded them all, including variants. The Naxos is
probably a good lower-priced alternative. Frederic Chiu recorded
"Schwangengesang" (plus The Trout). I used to like Lazar Berman's LP
with one side devoted to the song transcriptions, but haven't seen it in
CD form.
Bjorn Ostlund's Berman Discography has fallen off the internet, but there
is a two-year-old archive of it that's better than nothing. Look under
Schubert for the Lieder transcriptions by Liszt:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/BermanDiscography
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Dufus
2011-05-24 16:04:30 UTC
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On May 24, 9:23 am, Kip Williams <***@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
I used to like Lazar Berman's LP
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with one side devoted to the song transcriptions, but haven't seen it in
CD form.
Here is one cd :
http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Sonata-Major-Liszt-Transcriptions/dp/B00000221R/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1306252870&sr=1-1

There is also an Aura Classics cd.
Kip Williams
2011-05-24 18:32:40 UTC
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I used to like Lazar Berman's LP
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with one side devoted to the song transcriptions, but haven't seen it in
CD form.
http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Sonata-Major-Liszt-Transcriptions/dp/B00000221R/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1306252870&sr=1-1
There is also an Aura Classics cd.
Thanks!


Kip W
MELMOTH
2011-05-24 17:06:59 UTC
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Ce cher mammifère du nom de Charles H. Sampson nous susurrait, le mardi
24/05/2011, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales tout
de même, et dans le message
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It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of
several of them?
9 CDs (!) in complete piano collection (99 CDs!) by *Leslie Howard*
(Hyperion)...
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2011-05-24 19:48:50 UTC
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Ce cher mammifère du nom de Charles H. Sampson nous susurrait, le mardi
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Post by Charles H. Sampson
It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several of
them?
9 CDs (!) in complete piano collection (99 CDs!) by *Leslie Howard*
(Hyperion)...
--
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accroît sa science accroît sa douleur.
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David Fox
2011-05-24 21:31:39 UTC
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     It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about.  Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
                                Charlie
--
[A certain TV newsreader] had a role to play: presenter of the Other
Side of the Argument, to whom fair-minded people were obligated to
pay heed, no matter what nonsense he spouted.
Charlie Pierce, Idiot America
I'd also suggest the several that Evgeny Kissin has recorded. He
recorded four of them for his DG Recital disc (1991) and a few more as
fillers for his Schumann Concerto with Giulini on Sony (1993).

DF
mandryka
2011-05-24 22:11:24 UTC
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Another good one to look out for is Yudina's 1954 Kiev recital with Am
Meer. As far as I know her only Schubert/Liszt on record.
Matthew B. Tepper
2011-05-25 02:01:47 UTC
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It appears that Liszt made a number of transcriptions of Schubert
lieder, not just the Erlkoenig that I knew about. Is there a
recommended recording of anybody doing a decent performance of several
of them?
Charlie
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Side of the Argument, to whom fair-minded people were obligated to
pay heed, no matter what nonsense he spouted.
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