Discussion:
Jaw-Dropping Pianism
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Richard Sauer
2006-03-22 03:13:45 UTC
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I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.

My recommendation:

Horowitz-Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody no. 15

Rich
Citizen
2006-03-22 04:43:03 UTC
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This might be more than your "single most spectacular display" asked
for, but there are so many great recordings to choose from!!!

Off the top of my head:

Lhevinne: Schulz-Evler Arabesque on Strauss's Blue Danube walz!!!
Richter: Scriabin Etude in Ninths (live recording)
Horowitz: Horowitz-Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 (live recording)
Michelangeli: Ravel Concerto in G, 1st mvt.
Argerich: Rachmaninoff Concerto No. 3 (live recording)
Cziffra: Liszt Grand galop chromatique (video)

Also, Bolet's whole recorded 1973 (?) Carnegie Hall recital is pretty
amazing
I've never heard the Horowitz recording you mention, though.
By the way, Hamelin's technical perfection does not strike me as a
"spectacular display of pianism."
Citizen
2006-03-22 21:51:01 UTC
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To add to my original list:
Sofronitsky: Scriabin Vers la flamme
Gilels: Ravel Toccata (from Le Tombeau de Couperin)
Francois: Ravel Scarbo (from Gaspard de la nuit)
Katchen: Ravel Concerto for the Left Hand Alone (recorded just days
before death from cancer, IIRC)
Richter: Liszt "feux follets" Transcendental Etude (live Sofia recital)
Berman: Liszt Transcendental Etudes
Paul Goldstein
2006-03-22 04:45:33 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
Horowitz-Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody no. 15
Mine has to be Bolet's live Tannhauser Overture.
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Royke
2006-03-22 05:47:32 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
Horowitz-Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody no. 15
Rich
Horowitz in Scriabin - Vers la Flamme.
SG
2006-03-22 07:04:44 UTC
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Something by Cziffra surely, but I am not certain what - the
Tritsch-Tratsch Polka or the Flight of the Bumble Bee or some third
thingy.

regards,
SG
v***@webtv.net
2006-03-22 20:08:46 UTC
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fats waller piano solos.
Peter Lemken
2006-03-22 08:30:25 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
Kissin: Strauss/Grünfeld Fledermaus Paraphrase
Zhukov: Tchaikovsky 2nd piano concerto
Richter: Debussy Etude "Pour les Accords"
Feinberg: Bach/Feinberg Largo from C-major trio sonata
Gilels: Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 9
Larrocha: Albeniz "Triana"
Moisewitsch: Wagner/Liszt Tannhäuser-Ouverture

And then there is stuff I've heard in recitals myself, such as Richter with
Feux Follets, Bolet with Norma-Fantasy, Gulda with Chopin's 3rd sonata,
Kissin with the Spanish Rhapsody, Volodos wth Rachmaninoff's Polka
Italienne, Michelangeli with Ravel's Ondine, Sokolov with Prokofiev 7th,
Zhukov with Ravel's La Valse, Enrico Pace with Liszt's Don Juan, Barto with
Liszt's Chasse Neige...

Peter Lemken
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Dan Koren
2006-03-22 10:44:32 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
Kissin: Strauss/GrÃŒnfeld Fledermaus Paraphrase
Zhukov: Tchaikovsky 2nd piano concerto
And the Tchaikovsky Sonata ;-)


dk
Tony - sidoze
2006-03-22 11:45:29 UTC
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Post by Peter Lemken
Gulda with Chopin's 3rd sonata,
Peter, is there perhaps a recording of this somewhere around?
Tony - sidoze
2006-03-22 11:50:41 UTC
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It's amusing how, when "jaw dropping pianism" is mentioned, all this
fluffy music appears, especially hyphenations. How about some jaw
dropping pianism such as, say, the little A minor posthumous waltz by
Chopin, played by Sokolov as an encore last year. Or Risler's 17/4
mazurka. Some heartfelt music played beautifully in other words, and
not all this flashy trash which is instantly forgettable.
Andy Evans
2006-03-22 12:02:11 UTC
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Feinberg - Scriabin Mazurkas op25, Mozart Sonata Eb K282
Rachmaninov - Schumann Carnival, Bach Preludio
Prokofiev plays Prokofiev (short pieces and PC 3)
Richter - from Sofia concert 1952, the Liszt items Valses Oublies, Feux
follets, Harmonies du Soir; Prokofiev PC 5 on DG
Horowitz - Liszt Scherzo and Marsch
Rosenthal - Chopin Mazurkas
Hofmann - Chopin sonata 3 first movement

and just for fun - Art Tatum playing Tiger Rag
MrT
2006-03-22 12:11:15 UTC
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Madeleine de Valmalete playing Ravel.
Sofronitsky playing Chopin mazurkas.
Horszowski playing Op. 110 (1958, in concert in Italy).
Schnabel playing K310.
Harold Bauer playing the Mondschein sonata

Note: I dislike the fireworks-type arrangements. I prefer to hear
original works.

Best,

MrT
Tony - sidoze
2006-03-22 13:01:59 UTC
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Post by MrT
Madeleine de Valmalete playing Ravel.
MrT
Mr. T, is that the Arbiter disc? I have been meaning to hear that.
How's the sound?
Alan Cooper
2006-03-22 13:49:58 UTC
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Post by Tony - sidoze
Post by MrT
Madeleine de Valmalete playing Ravel.
MrT
Mr. T, is that the Arbiter disc? I have been meaning to hear that.
How's the sound?
The sound in the 1928 recordings is dreadful; Arbiter was not able to
improve over Pearl's earlier effort. But it makes no difference: her
"Tombeau de Couperin" is one of the all-time great piano recordings
(truly "jaw-dropping"), and her Liszt is not far behind. And the
Arbiter disc also offers some later recordings in much better sound,
including two splendid Faure performances from the '60s, and some
astonishing Mozart recorded live in 1992. (The pianist was born in
1899!) Despite the artist's great old age, her technique was in
perfect order (unlike late Horszowski, which I sometimes find
unlistenable).

AC
Tony - sidoze
2006-03-22 14:15:01 UTC
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Post by Alan Cooper
Post by Tony - sidoze
Post by MrT
Madeleine de Valmalete playing Ravel.
MrT
Mr. T, is that the Arbiter disc? I have been meaning to hear that.
How's the sound?
The sound in the 1928 recordings is dreadful; Arbiter was not able to
improve over Pearl's earlier effort. But it makes no difference: her
"Tombeau de Couperin" is one of the all-time great piano recordings
(truly "jaw-dropping"), and her Liszt is not far behind. And the
Arbiter disc also offers some later recordings in much better sound,
including two splendid Faure performances from the '60s, and some
astonishing Mozart recorded live in 1992. (The pianist was born in
1899!) Despite the artist's great old age, her technique was in
perfect order (unlike late Horszowski, which I sometimes find
unlistenable).
AC
Thanks very much. That is going straight to the top of the wish list :)
Misha
2006-03-23 05:07:12 UTC
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Mr T: I picked up the Arbiter de Valmalete disc on a money-to-burn whim
(birthday money, was that it?). When I want the msyery that money can't
buy (but that this one time, it did!), I reach for Madeleine
MrT
2006-03-23 08:05:15 UTC
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Post by Misha
Mr T: I picked up the Arbiter de Valmalete disc on a money-to-burn whim
(birthday money, was that it?). When I want the msyery that money can't
buy (but that this one time, it did!), I reach for Madeleine.
So Misha, do you owe me or do I owe you? I wouldn't want to be known as
a top provider of misery tips... Did you like the thing or did you get
lemonized?

Best,

MrT
Charles Milton Ling
2006-03-22 23:29:56 UTC
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Post by Andy Evans
Feinberg - Scriabin Mazurkas op25, Mozart Sonata Eb K282
Rachmaninov - Schumann Carnival, Bach Preludio
Prokofiev plays Prokofiev (short pieces and PC 3)
Richter - from Sofia concert 1952, the Liszt items Valses Oublies, Feux
follets, Harmonies du Soir; Prokofiev PC 5 on DG
Horowitz - Liszt Scherzo and Marsch
Rosenthal - Chopin Mazurkas
Hofmann - Chopin sonata 3 first movement
and just for fun - Art Tatum playing Tiger Rag
Tatum-Pole Boogie! (And most of everything else the amazing Mr. Tatum
ever played.)

Charley
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JohnGavin
2006-03-22 12:14:30 UTC
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Post by Tony - sidoze
It's amusing how, when "jaw dropping pianism" is mentioned, all this
fluffy music appears, especially hyphenations. How about some jaw
dropping pianism such as, say, the little A minor posthumous waltz by
Chopin, played by Sokolov as an encore last year. Or Risler's 17/4
mazurka. Some heartfelt music played beautifully in other words, and
not all this flashy trash which is instantly forgettable.
Probably because "jaw dropping" implies staggering virtuosity - "how
does he do that"? virtuosity, not subtlety.

Michelangeli - Totentanz (Liszt)
Hamelin - Etude in Minor Seconds (Kapustin), "Marine's Hymn Vars"
-Offenbach/Hamelin
Triple Chopin Etude (Hamelin) Ignus Fatuus Etude & Bandinage
(Chopin-Godowsky)
Lhevinne - Blue Danube, Chopin Etude "Double Thirds"
Godowsky - La Leggierezza (Liszt)
Horowitz - Wedding March Vars (Liszt-Horowitz), Toccata - (Prokofiev)
Rachmaninoff - Scherzo (Mendelssohn -Rach), Etude in F (Mendelssohn)
Tony - sidoze
2006-03-22 13:01:05 UTC
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Post by JohnGavin
Post by Tony - sidoze
It's amusing how, when "jaw dropping pianism" is mentioned, all this
fluffy music appears, especially hyphenations. How about some jaw
dropping pianism such as, say, the little A minor posthumous waltz by
Chopin, played by Sokolov as an encore last year. Or Risler's 17/4
mazurka. Some heartfelt music played beautifully in other words, and
not all this flashy trash which is instantly forgettable.
Probably because "jaw dropping" implies staggering virtuosity - "how
does he do that"? virtuosity, not subtlety.
A slack jaw, then.
Richard Sauer
2006-03-22 14:53:59 UTC
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Post by JohnGavin
Michelangeli - Totentanz (Liszt)
JG..is that the one from the Vatican Recordings set?

Rich
JohnGavin
2006-03-22 14:59:24 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
Post by JohnGavin
Michelangeli - Totentanz (Liszt)
JG..is that the one from the Vatican Recordings set?
Rich
The recording that I'm thinking of is from Torino with Rafael Kubalik
(1961) along with a brilliant Liszt PC #1. Arkadia CD CDHIP 507.1
Andy Evans
2006-03-22 15:38:07 UTC
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Probably because "jaw dropping" implies staggering virtuosity - "how
does he do that"? virtuosity, not subtlety.>>

I'm with Tony here - much as I thrill to Liszt, which is such GREAT
concert music - the two Feinberg tracks I mentioned, Scriabin Mazurkas
op 25 and Mozart Sonata K282, really did make me think "how on earth
did he do that". The pieces are really slow, with sustained lyricism
that is so intense it's spooky. It's a bit like those incredible
lighting engineers for the old black and white classic films, where the
whole set is black, white and shades of grey with cheekbones thrown
into relief by the lighting angles. Maybe the equivalent, in pianism,
of light in photography.
JohnGavin
2006-03-23 04:46:31 UTC
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Two more examples of the most sophisticated levels of pianism:

Moiseiwitsch - Medtner - Szazka in E Minor op. 34
Michelangeli - Marescotti - Fantasque

Both represent not only a super-human displays of velocity, but also
myriad subtle nuances and masterful, innovative pedaling.
unknown
2006-03-23 05:33:18 UTC
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Post by JohnGavin
Moiseiwitsch - Medtner - Szazka in E Minor op. 34
Michelangeli - Marescotti - Fantasque
Both represent not only a super-human displays of velocity, but also
myriad subtle nuances and masterful, innovative pedaling.
This is probably as good a place as any to let you know that Sudbin has
recorded the Medtner 1st Concerto, scheduled for release in Dec. on
BIS.

wr
SG
2006-03-22 19:48:15 UTC
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Post by Tony - sidoze
It's amusing how, when "jaw dropping pianism" is mentioned, all this
fluffy music appears, especially hyphenations. How about some jaw
dropping pianism such as, say, the little A minor posthumous waltz by
Chopin, played by Sokolov as an encore last year. Or Risler's 17/4
mazurka. Some heartfelt music played beautifully in other words, and
not all this flashy trash which is instantly forgettable.
Tony, your appeal to depth is, in this given context, awfully shallow
(-:. The original poster's request (and example - the Horowitz-Liszt
thing) was clearly not for "what recordings impress you musically the
most" or "what piano pieces reach the innermost depths of your soul" or
"which is the little piece that a pianist exhibits most phrasing
subtlety in", but exactly what he asked for, an example of (unabashed,
acrobatic, unsubtle) jaw-dropping pianism. If you wanna talk about
hearfelt music played beautifully, start your own thread and I'll
comply( :!

By the way, calling some amazing, highly acrobatic piano transcriptions
"flashy trash which is instantly forgettable" does not necessarily
speak highly of one's memory. I know I will never forget the way
Cziffra plays his very high quality (Trish-)Trash (the spelling is
(Tritsch-)Tratsch, by the way (-:). That does not mean that I believe
that's the ultimate musical masterpiece and, frankly, it would be
presumptuous to believe anybody here would need to be reminded of that.

<< 'Basil, Turn off that racket' 'That's not racket- that's BRAAAHMS -
BrAAAhms' third racket!!' >>


regards,
SG
pgaron
2006-03-22 19:53:15 UTC
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Post by SG
By the way, calling some amazing, highly acrobatic piano transcriptions
"flashy trash which is instantly forgettable" does not necessarily
speak highly of one's memory. I know I will never forget the way
Cziffra plays his very high quality (Trish-)Trash (the spelling is
(Tritsch-)Tratsch, by the way (-:). That does not mean that I believe
that's the ultimate musical masterpiece and, frankly, it would be
presumptuous to believe anybody here would need to be reminded of that.
Hey, I remember that song: "Trish-Trash, I was taking a bath..."
Andrys Basten
2006-03-23 06:19:46 UTC
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Post by Tony - sidoze
It's amusing how, when "jaw dropping pianism" is mentioned, all this
fluffy music appears, especially hyphenations. How about some jaw
dropping pianism such as, say, the little A minor posthumous waltz by
Chopin, played by Sokolov as an encore last year. Or Risler's 17/4
mazurka. Some heartfelt music played beautifully in other words, and
not all this flashy trash which is instantly forgettable.
Well, Peter Lemken gave a prime example:

Feinberg: Bach/Feinberg Largo from C-major trio sonata


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fha.jonkers
2006-03-23 17:58:24 UTC
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Post by Tony - sidoze
It's amusing how, when "jaw dropping pianism" is mentioned, all this
fluffy music appears, especially hyphenations. How about some jaw
dropping pianism such as, say, the little A minor posthumous waltz by
Chopin, played by Sokolov as an encore last year. Or Risler's 17/4
mazurka. Some heartfelt music played beautifully in other words, and
not all this flashy trash which is instantly forgettable.
Speaking of hyphenations, what about Kempff with his Bach/Kempff
Siciliano.
Alan Cooper
2006-03-22 13:54:43 UTC
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:13:45 -0800, "Richard Sauer"
Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
Horowitz-Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody no. 15
Moiseiwitsch: either the 1928 recording of the Strauss/Godowsky
Fledermaus Concert Paraphrase, or the 1941 recording of La
leggierezza.

AC
dg
2006-03-22 18:28:25 UTC
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:13:45 -0800, "Richard Sauer"
Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
Horowitz-Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody no. 15
Rich
Lewenthal, Liszt Totentanz, Reminiscences de Norma, anything by Alkan
Moiseiwitsch, Wagner-Liszt Tannhauser Overture
Cziffra, Strauss transcriptions, anything improvised
Barere, Blumenfeld etude for left hand, La Leggierezza
Nyiregyhazi, Liszt Legends
Petri or Johansen, Busoni Fantasia Contrappuntistica
Gould, 1959 Salzburg live Goldberg vars.

I would add not least Tausig's arrangement of Wagner's transfiguration
scene from Tristan und Isolde as played by Dennis Hennig. Not because
of the pianist's inherent knack for spectacular displays, but the
piece itself is quite a spectacle and I've not heard another attempt
this beautiful transcription.
Todd Schurk
2006-03-22 18:58:54 UTC
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Post by Alan Cooper
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:13:45 -0800, "Richard Sauer"
Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
Horowitz-Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody no. 15
Rich
Lewenthal, Liszt Totentanz, Reminiscences de Norma, anything by Alkan
Moiseiwitsch, Wagner-Liszt Tannhauser Overture
Cziffra, Strauss transcriptions, anything improvised
Barere, Blumenfeld etude for left hand, La Leggierezza
Nyiregyhazi, Liszt Legends
Petri or Johansen, Busoni Fantasia Contrappuntistica
Gould, 1959 Salzburg live Goldberg vars.
I would add not least Tausig's arrangement of Wagner's transfiguration
scene from Tristan und Isolde as played by Dennis Hennig. Not because
of the pianist's inherent knack for spectacular displays, but the
piece itself is quite a spectacle and I've not heard another attempt
this beautiful transcription.
Horowitz-Sousa: Stars and Stripes forever! Your jaw might just fall off
onto the floor!
SG
2006-03-22 19:59:09 UTC
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Post by Todd Schurk
Horowitz-Sousa: Stars and Stripes forever! Your jaw might just fall off
onto the floor!
Very fun piece, yes. And it's not even as difficult as it sounds!
Hororrwitz knew how to write for piano.

regards,
SG
g***@cox.net
2006-03-22 20:12:23 UTC
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Post by SG
Post by Todd Schurk
Horowitz-Sousa: Stars and Stripes forever! Your jaw might just fall off
onto the floor!
Very fun piece, yes. And it's not even as difficult as it sounds!
Hororrwitz knew how to write for piano.
regards,
SG
And for piccolo! :-)
Todd Schurk
2006-03-22 20:38:25 UTC
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Post by g***@cox.net
Post by SG
Post by Todd Schurk
Horowitz-Sousa: Stars and Stripes forever! Your jaw might just fall off
onto the floor!
Very fun piece, yes. And it's not even as difficult as it sounds!
Hororrwitz knew how to write for piano.
regards,
SG
And for piccolo! :-)
Can anyone play EVERY note in this Horowitz-Sousa SASF? It sounds very
difficult indeed.
James Kahn
2006-03-22 21:10:06 UTC
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Post by Todd Schurk
Post by g***@cox.net
Post by SG
Post by Todd Schurk
Horowitz-Sousa: Stars and Stripes forever! Your jaw might just fall off
onto the floor!
Very fun piece, yes. And it's not even as difficult as it sounds!
Hororrwitz knew how to write for piano.
regards,
SG
And for piccolo! :-)
Can anyone play EVERY note in this Horowitz-Sousa SASF? It sounds very
difficult indeed.
I had read somewhere that Horowitz never actually wrote this out (at least
for anyone but himself), so that any sheet music we have is someone's attempt
to transcribe what he played. Anyone know if that's so?
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Matthew B. Tepper
2006-03-22 20:10:45 UTC
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Post by dg
Nyiregyhazi, Liszt Legends
Yes, but I was also astounded by his playing of "Alexander's Ragtime Band."
Post by dg
Petri or Johansen, Busoni Fantasia Contrappuntistica
Petri's Westminster recording (not yet on CD, but maybe it will be matey,
aaarrr), or the 2-piano version with Carlo Bussotti on Music and Arts?
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dg
2006-03-22 21:56:09 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:10:45 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by dg
Nyiregyhazi, Liszt Legends
Yes, but I was also astounded by his playing of "Alexander's Ragtime Band."
Yes, but we haven't all had the pleasure of hearing this
as you have, Matthew. At least the Legends are somewhat
available.
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by dg
Petri or Johansen, Busoni Fantasia Contrappuntistica
Petri's Westminster recording (not yet on CD, but maybe it will be matey,
aaarrr), or the 2-piano version with Carlo Bussotti on Music and Arts?
I havn't the Westminster, my recording is from M&A `The Art of Egon
Petri` with C. Bussotti 2nd piano c.1959. I guess a solo version
would be more jaw-dropping, I think that's what Johansen's is.
Matthew B. Tepper
2006-03-22 23:48:21 UTC
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Post by dg
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:10:45 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by dg
Nyiregyhazi, Liszt Legends
Yes, but I was also astounded by his playing of "Alexander's Ragtime Band."
Yes, but we haven't all had the pleasure of hearing this as you have,
Matthew. At least the Legends are somewhat available.
Merely a puckish remark that such a thing could be so remarkable. It is,
as far as I know, not available in any way shape or form. The friend who
had the tape has lost most of his sight, and so cannot find it among his
holdings. Someday maybe I'll drive over there and help him out....
Post by dg
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by dg
Petri or Johansen, Busoni Fantasia Contrappuntistica
Petri's Westminster recording (not yet on CD, but maybe it will be
matey, aaarrr), or the 2-piano version with Carlo Bussotti on Music and
Arts?
I havn't the Westminster, my recording is from M&A `The Art of Egon
Petri` with C. Bussotti 2nd piano c.1959. I guess a solo version
would be more jaw-dropping, I think that's what Johansen's is.
I must hear Johansen; wasn't there a Fanfare article about how his Artist
Direct recordings have been making their way to CD?
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dg
2006-03-23 00:41:14 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:48:21 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by dg
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:10:45 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by dg
Nyiregyhazi, Liszt Legends
Yes, but I was also astounded by his playing of "Alexander's Ragtime Band."
Yes, but we haven't all had the pleasure of hearing this as you have,
Matthew. At least the Legends are somewhat available.
Merely a puckish remark that such a thing could be so remarkable. It is,
as far as I know, not available in any way shape or form. The friend who
had the tape has lost most of his sight, and so cannot find it among his
holdings. Someday maybe I'll drive over there and help him out....
When I emailed Marston about a possible Nyiregyhazi reissue set
a while back(year or two?), he informed me that he would like
to do such a project which would be comprehensive and might include
things like the aforementioned piece not commercially issued.
But given that they have fallen under hard times, I am not sure if
this will ever come to fruition or at least not anytime soon probably.
I truly believe that N. could play a C major scale and have it
be remarkable, he was an odd but fascinating character. Not to
mention his prolific output as a composer, which I believe he
was more comfortable with being than merely a pianist. But here
again copyright or family issues may be a hindrance to music being
published or performed. Ok getting slightly off topic.
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by dg
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by dg
Petri or Johansen, Busoni Fantasia Contrappuntistica
Petri's Westminster recording (not yet on CD, but maybe it will be
matey, aaarrr), or the 2-piano version with Carlo Bussotti on Music and
Arts?
I havn't the Westminster, my recording is from M&A `The Art of Egon
Petri` with C. Bussotti 2nd piano c.1959. I guess a solo version
would be more jaw-dropping, I think that's what Johansen's is.
I must hear Johansen; wasn't there a Fanfare article about how his Artist
Direct recordings have been making their way to CD?
Well, I believe you can still get recordings from Artist Direct but
I'm not sure about cd reissue, I didn't read the Fanfare article. It
would be a rather large undertaking as there are so many recordings.
Also they are not all of particularly great sound quality, so might
not be a 'market' for anyone but the most diehard pianophiles who
appreciate a unique keyboard master.
I haven't figured out how to connect my record player -> computer
yet, but if I ever did I could make copies for friends, enthusiasts
etc. Plenty of spectacular playing gems to be heard from this
pianist that's for sure.
Matthew B. Tepper
2006-03-23 02:44:06 UTC
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When I emailed Marston about a possible Nyiregyhazi reissue set a while
back (year or two?), he informed me that he would like to do such a
project which would be comprehensive and might include things like the
aforementioned piece not commercially issued. But given that they have
fallen under hard times, I am not sure if this will ever come to fruition
or at least not anytime soon probably. I truly believe that N. could
play a C major scale and have it be remarkable, he was an odd but
fascinating character. Not to mention his prolific output as a composer,
which I believe he was more comfortable with being than merely a pianist.
But here again copyright or family issues may be a hindrance to music
being published or performed. Ok getting slightly off topic.
My copy of his Desmar LP is autographed by the pianist, who had made a rare
public appearance (with the understanding that he would not be asked to
play) at a Baldwin Piano store in Palo Alto c. 1977; the Columbias had yet
to be issued. A gentleman two spaces ahead of me in line had known EN in
Berlin in the '20s, and the two of them conversed for a couple of minutes;
this was told me by the gentleman just ahead of me in that line.

According to Mr. In-Between, the old friend introduced himself, and EN
remembered his friend's name and details of his life, the street addresses
of all the places they visited, and even events which occurred on specific
dates. Apparently he was one of those people who have an eidetic memory,
and never forgot *anything*.
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
I must hear Johansen; wasn't there a Fanfare article about how his Artist
Direct recordings have been making their way to CD?
Well, I believe you can still get recordings from Artist Direct but I'm
not sure about cd reissue, I didn't read the Fanfare article. It would
be a rather large undertaking as there are so many recordings. Also they
are not all of particularly great sound quality, so might not be a
'market' for anyone but the most diehard pianophiles who appreciate a
unique keyboard master.
I haven't figured out how to connect my record player -> computer yet,
but if I ever did I could make copies for friends, enthusiasts etc.
Plenty of spectacular playing gems to be heard from this pianist that's
for sure.
It's worth the effort. Swap you Petri (solo) for Johansen?
--
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My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
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I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made. ~ FDR (attrib.)
dg
2006-03-23 04:21:46 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 02:44:06 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
When I emailed Marston about a possible Nyiregyhazi reissue set a while
back (year or two?), he informed me that he would like to do such a
project which would be comprehensive and might include things like the
aforementioned piece not commercially issued. But given that they have
fallen under hard times, I am not sure if this will ever come to fruition
or at least not anytime soon probably. I truly believe that N. could
play a C major scale and have it be remarkable, he was an odd but
fascinating character. Not to mention his prolific output as a composer,
which I believe he was more comfortable with being than merely a pianist.
But here again copyright or family issues may be a hindrance to music
being published or performed. Ok getting slightly off topic.
My copy of his Desmar LP is autographed by the pianist, who had made a rare
public appearance (with the understanding that he would not be asked to
play) at a Baldwin Piano store in Palo Alto c. 1977; the Columbias had yet
to be issued. A gentleman two spaces ahead of me in line had known EN in
Berlin in the '20s, and the two of them conversed for a couple of minutes;
this was told me by the gentleman just ahead of me in that line.
Very lucky. Such an auspicious occasion comes along rarely even if he
didn't play, just meeting him I'd be awestruck.
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
According to Mr. In-Between, the old friend introduced himself, and EN
remembered his friend's name and details of his life, the street addresses
of all the places they visited, and even events which occurred on specific
dates. Apparently he was one of those people who have an eidetic memory,
and never forgot *anything*.
Yes, he was like his contemporary Erich von Korngold in that respect,
as he is compared with in the study of his childhood years;
``Psychology of a Musical Prodigy``. The study described not only his
auditory memory, being able to play a piece after hearing it once or
twice, but his tactile memory, being able to remember the fingers
placement on the keyboard etc. He used to sit and practice at his
kitchen table envisioning the keyboard or the sheetmusic in front of
him. Not that he needed much practice anyway. I think Hofmann was
probably somewhere like that too. It's curious they both turned to
the drink, perhaps having such an infallible memory is both a curse
and a blessing. Nyiregyhazi of course didn't have Hofmann's gift for
managing his finances, but they did share the creative spirit with
inventions and composing for Hofmann and the latter for N. I think
he was also an avid chess player most of his life. I believe there's
a new biography going to be published sometime soon, or was recently
published I can't remember where I read that.
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
I must hear Johansen; wasn't there a Fanfare article about how his Artist
Direct recordings have been making their way to CD?
Well, I believe you can still get recordings from Artist Direct but I'm
not sure about cd reissue, I didn't read the Fanfare article. It would
be a rather large undertaking as there are so many recordings. Also they
are not all of particularly great sound quality, so might not be a
'market' for anyone but the most diehard pianophiles who appreciate a
unique keyboard master.
I haven't figured out how to connect my record player -> computer yet,
but if I ever did I could make copies for friends, enthusiasts etc.
Plenty of spectacular playing gems to be heard from this pianist that's
for sure.
It's worth the effort. Swap you Petri (solo) for Johansen?
Yeah, give me some time to figure it out. I've lots of LPs I'd like
transferred digitally so I can listen to them more often.
Alan Briker
2006-03-23 00:11:19 UTC
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\My recommendations off the top of my head:
Rachmaninoff- Polka de VR - Cherkassky
Liszt- Rhapsody Espagnole- Berman- especially the live performance from his
NYC debut
Bauer-Gabrillowich- Waltz from Arensky Suite
Tchaikovsky=Feinberg Scherzo from Sym #6- Volodos
Dohnanyi-Capriccio- Horowitz
Liszt- Hungarian Rhap #6- Cziffra video
Liszt- Feux Follets- Nojima
Schumann- Carnaval- Rachmaninoff
Wagner-Liszt Tannhauser Ov- Bolet
Jan Winter
2006-03-22 21:14:33 UTC
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:13:45 -0800, "Richard Sauer"
Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
The most subtle (= the jaw needs good ears) jaw-dropping pianism may
be found in Moiseiwitsch's recording of Godowsky's Concert Paraphrase
on Die Fledermaus.

Jaw-dropping in several ways (sideways, upward, downward) are
Kapustins 24 Preludes in Jazz Style op. 53, as played by the composer.

But for the real jaw-dropping you have, of course, to turn to jazz, as
jazz was invented for jaw-dropping anyway. Tatum will do, but also the
mind boggling simplicism of Jimmy Yancey, the broad grins Fats Waller
will be the cause of, the virtuosity of Bud Powell (Tatum-adept), the
soundscapes of Monk, or Cecil Taylor for that matter. The most
satisfying dropping of the jaw may very well take place when you
listen to Erroll Garners Concert by the Sea.

-----
jan winter, amsterdam
email: name = j.winter; provider = xs4all; com = nl
Raymond Hall
2006-03-22 21:38:22 UTC
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Post by Alan Cooper
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:13:45 -0800, "Richard Sauer"
Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
The most subtle (= the jaw needs good ears) jaw-dropping pianism may
be found in Moiseiwitsch's recording of Godowsky's Concert Paraphrase
on Die Fledermaus.
Jaw-dropping in several ways (sideways, upward, downward) are
Kapustins 24 Preludes in Jazz Style op. 53, as played by the composer.
But for the real jaw-dropping you have, of course, to turn to jazz, as
jazz was invented for jaw-dropping anyway. Tatum will do, but also the
mind boggling simplicism of Jimmy Yancey, the broad grins Fats Waller
will be the cause of, the virtuosity of Bud Powell (Tatum-adept), the
soundscapes of Monk, or Cecil Taylor for that matter. The most
satisfying dropping of the jaw may very well take place when you
listen to Erroll Garners Concert by the Sea.
Agree fully, apart from the dreadful lapse (sin) of not yet having heard
Garner's Concert by the Sea. However I still find Richter's Liszt concertos
pretty astounding, and Michelangeli's Ravel pc in G, and Rach's pc 4. And of
course, Tatum is a purely technical marvel.

For any instrument, I still find the thought, execution and speed of Charlie
Parker on sax, almost unbelievable.

Ray H
Taree
Jan Winter
2006-03-22 21:44:51 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:38:22 GMT, "Raymond Hall"
Post by Raymond Hall
Post by Alan Cooper
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:13:45 -0800, "Richard Sauer"
Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
The most subtle (= the jaw needs good ears) jaw-dropping pianism may
be found in Moiseiwitsch's recording of Godowsky's Concert Paraphrase
on Die Fledermaus.
Jaw-dropping in several ways (sideways, upward, downward) are
Kapustins 24 Preludes in Jazz Style op. 53, as played by the composer.
But for the real jaw-dropping you have, of course, to turn to jazz, as
jazz was invented for jaw-dropping anyway. Tatum will do, but also the
mind boggling simplicism of Jimmy Yancey, the broad grins Fats Waller
will be the cause of, the virtuosity of Bud Powell (Tatum-adept), the
soundscapes of Monk, or Cecil Taylor for that matter. The most
satisfying dropping of the jaw may very well take place when you
listen to Erroll Garners Concert by the Sea.
Agree fully, apart from the dreadful lapse (sin) of not yet having heard
Garner's Concert by the Sea.
I just checked. It *is* the most satisfying. Sins can be remedied, but
make haste, brother! before it is too late.
Post by Raymond Hall
However I still find Richter's Liszt concertos
pretty astounding, and Michelangeli's Ravel pc in G, and Rach's pc 4. And of
course, Tatum is a purely technical marvel.
For any instrument, I still find the thought, execution and speed of Charlie
Parker on sax, almost unbelievable.
Luckily Bird didn't drop his jaw.

-----
jan winter, amsterdam
email: name = j.winter; provider = xs4all; com = nl
Steve Emerson
2006-03-22 22:11:38 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
Here are two that should cause lowering:

Cecil Taylor: "Spring of Two Blue Jays"
Josef Hofmann: Chopin Ballade #4 (Casimir Hall)

SE.
Peter Lemken
2006-03-22 23:35:07 UTC
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Post by Steve Emerson
Josef Hofmann: Chopin Ballade #4 (Casimir Hall)
Total agreement on the Hofman. Unbelievable.

Peter Lemken
Berlin
--
Paul Lincke ist dem Zille sein Milhaud.

(Harry Rowohlt)
tomdeacon
2006-03-22 23:23:00 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
I heard it just last night.

Cyprien Katsaris performed his own transcription of Bach's Toccata and
Fugue in D minor.

In a series devoted to piano-playing this audience is now rather blase
about technical feats. There is hardly a single major pianist who has
not appeared at Music Toronto over the past 35 years. But this had all
the jaws in the audience on the floor.

You really have to see Katsaris' rubber hands tackle the double octaves
in different directions and the myriad of other technical tricks he has
put into this transcription in order to understand why Cziffra
considered him his very worthy heir.

Incidentally, this transcription figures on his Bach transcription disc
on his own Piano 21 series. Copies simply flew off the shelf at the
little stand set up to sell his CDs during intermission and afterwards.
The lady whose job it was to sell them declared an early "sell out" of
all stock available.

Also incidentally Katsaris informed me after the concert that his own
recording of the Rach 3 - which he regards as one of the truly
difficult pieces in the repertoire, particularly the 3rd movement -
will appear in coming weeks. It is NOT the version which was recorded
at the Brussels competition, but one which was recorded live in Europe
in the late 1970s. He says it is really much better, with a finale
performed "Alle breve" as SR indicates in the score but which almost no
pianists are really capable of observing throughout the movement. This
is, in his opinion, the movement that truly separates the men (or
women) from the boys (or girls).

Anyway, for those interested in a truly mind-boggling display of every
technical trick in the book, Katsaris' own transcription of the Bach
Toccata is something to experience, at least once in one's life.

TD
Richard Sauer
2006-03-23 00:08:02 UTC
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Post by tomdeacon
I heard it just last night.
Cyprien Katsaris performed his own transcription of Bach's Toccata and
Fugue in D minor.
Mr. Katsaris will play a recital at Benaroya Hall - Seattle on May 16 (His
first visit to the Pacific Northwest) . According to the press release he
will play the aforementioned Bach Toccata and Fugue in D-minor (and works by
Schumann, Liszt, and Chopin) - so we all have something to look forward
to...
A note: I liked CK's Chopin Ballades and Scherzi on Teldec- a minority
view. Some RMCR contributors thought they were bottom-of-the-barrel.

Rich
Richard Sauer
2006-03-23 00:14:21 UTC
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Aldo Ciccolini's La Danse d Olaf (Pick-Mangiagalli) from the EMI Classic
Archive DVD .. a stunner.

Rich
Paul Goldstein
2006-03-23 00:42:29 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
Post by tomdeacon
I heard it just last night.
Cyprien Katsaris performed his own transcription of Bach's Toccata and
Fugue in D minor.
Mr. Katsaris will play a recital at Benaroya Hall - Seattle on May 16 (His
first visit to the Pacific Northwest) . According to the press release he
will play the aforementioned Bach Toccata and Fugue in D-minor (and works by
Schumann, Liszt, and Chopin) - so we all have something to look forward
to...
A note: I liked CK's Chopin Ballades and Scherzi on Teldec- a minority
view. Some RMCR contributors thought they were bottom-of-the-barrel.
Really? That's one of my favorite Chopin discs.
--
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tomdeacon
2006-03-23 02:00:28 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
Post by tomdeacon
I heard it just last night.
Cyprien Katsaris performed his own transcription of Bach's Toccata and
Fugue in D minor.
Mr. Katsaris will play a recital at Benaroya Hall - Seattle on May 16 (His
first visit to the Pacific Northwest) . According to the press release he
will play the aforementioned Bach Toccata and Fugue in D-minor (and works by
Schumann, Liszt, and Chopin) - so we all have something to look forward
to...
He talked about Seattle and his new manager, who is located there. Tim
Harris?

TD
Vaneyes
2006-03-23 06:07:01 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
Mr. Katsaris will play a recital at Benaroya Hall - Seattle on May 16 (His
first visit to the Pacific Northwest) .
No, he's performed with the Vancouver SO.

Regards
Ian Pace
2006-03-23 01:07:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by tomdeacon
Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
I heard it just last night.
Cyprien Katsaris performed his own transcription of Bach's Toccata and
Fugue in D minor.
In a series devoted to piano-playing this audience is now rather blase
about technical feats. There is hardly a single major pianist who has
not appeared at Music Toronto over the past 35 years. But this had all
the jaws in the audience on the floor.
You really have to see Katsaris' rubber hands tackle the double octaves
in different directions and the myriad of other technical tricks he has
put into this transcription in order to understand why Cziffra
considered him his very worthy heir.
Incidentally, this transcription figures on his Bach transcription disc
on his own Piano 21 series. Copies simply flew off the shelf at the
little stand set up to sell his CDs during intermission and afterwards.
The lady whose job it was to sell them declared an early "sell out" of
all stock available.
Also incidentally Katsaris informed me after the concert that his own
recording of the Rach 3 - which he regards as one of the truly
difficult pieces in the repertoire, particularly the 3rd movement -
will appear in coming weeks. It is NOT the version which was recorded
at the Brussels competition, but one which was recorded live in Europe
in the late 1970s. He says it is really much better, with a finale
performed "Alle breve" as SR indicates in the score but which almost no
pianists are really capable of observing throughout the movement. This
is, in his opinion, the movement that truly separates the men (or
women) from the boys (or girls).
Anyway, for those interested in a truly mind-boggling display of every
technical trick in the book, Katsaris' own transcription of the Bach
Toccata is something to experience, at least once in one's life.
Katsaris's recording of the last movement of the Beethoven-Liszt Eighth
Symphony (with his own additions to the score) counts as one of the most
incredible pieces of pianism I've ever heard. Indeed all of his
Beethoven-Liszt recordings come close to that recording (especially the last
movement of the 9th, as well).

Ian (who hates the vastly cliched term 'jaw-dropping')
g***@cox.net
2006-03-23 01:43:15 UTC
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Argerich: Rach 3
Liszt Sonata
Chopin: Etude 10/1 -
Tchaikowswki: Concerto /Bb minor
Bar-Illan: Mussourgsky. Pictures AaE (the "live" version)
Chopin: Etude in 3rds
Bernstein: Masque from "Age of Anxiety"
Cortot: Saint-Saens: Etude en forme de valse
De Lasrrocha: Albeniz: Triana
Granados: El Pelele
Horowitz: Scriabin: Sonata #5
Liszt: most
Volodos: Slow mv from Rachmaninoff's Sonata for Cello and Piano
(transc.)
Prokofiev: Concerto #2


Gerrie C
Tony - sidoze
2006-03-23 09:56:23 UTC
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Post by g***@cox.net
Bar-Illan: Mussourgsky. Pictures AaE (the "live" version)
Chopin: Etude in 3rds
Bernstein: Masque from "Age of Anxiety"
Who is this? Never heard of him (or her).
Andrys Basten
2006-03-23 10:10:02 UTC
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Post by Tony - sidoze
Post by g***@cox.net
Bar-Illan: Mussourgsky. Pictures AaE (the "live" version)
Chopin: Etude in 3rds
Bernstein: Masque from "Age of Anxiety"
Who is this? Never heard of him (or her).
Gerrie, you had the mp3s at one point. I may have
them on a backup disc of mp3s but it's late here.

You can use http://yousendit.com to make the file available
to individuals who request it.


- Andrys
--
http://andrys1.blogspot.com
g***@cox.net
2006-03-23 19:20:30 UTC
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Post by Andrys Basten
Post by Tony - sidoze
Post by g***@cox.net
Bar-Illan: Mussourgsky. Pictures AaE (the "live" version)
Chopin: Etude in 3rds
Bernstein: Masque from "Age of Anxiety"
Who is this? Never heard of him (or her).
Gerrie, you had the mp3s at one point. I may have
them on a backup disc of mp3s but it's late here.
You can use http://yousendit.com to make the file available
to individuals who request it.
Good idea. Will have to check to see if I still have the mp3s (but I
don't expect any requests).

As someone posted, there are still available some of his recordings at:

http://www.audiofonrecords.com/Bar-Illan/barillan-bio.htm

Gerrie
James Kahn
2006-03-23 15:01:04 UTC
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Post by Tony - sidoze
Post by g***@cox.net
Bar-Illan: Mussourgsky. Pictures AaE (the "live" version)
Chopin: Etude in 3rds
Bernstein: Masque from "Age of Anxiety"
Who is this? Never heard of him (or her).
David Bar-Illan, a fine Israeli pianist who mid-life went into journalism and
politics. He died a couple of years ago.

http://www.audiofonrecords.com/Bar-Illan/barillan-bio.htm
--
Jim
New York, NY
(Please remove "nospam." to get my e-mail address)
http://www.panix.com/~kahn
Matthew B. Tepper
2006-03-23 15:36:40 UTC
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"Tony - sidoze" <***@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:1143107783.402242.39380
Post by Tony - sidoze
Post by g***@cox.net
Bar-Illan: Mussourgsky. Pictures AaE (the "live" version)
Chopin: Etude in 3rds
Bernstein: Masque from "Age of Anxiety"
Who is this? Never heard of him (or her).
Let's just put it this way: He would never, EVER have gotten into the
Philips Great Pianists of the 20th Century series.
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made. ~ FDR (attrib.)
g***@cox.net
2006-03-23 16:03:32 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:1143107783.402242.39380
Post by Tony - sidoze
Post by g***@cox.net
Bar-Illan: Mussourgsky. Pictures AaE (the "live" version)
Chopin: Etude in 3rds
Bernstein: Masque from "Age of Anxiety"
Who is this? Never heard of him (or her).
Let's just put it this way: He would never, EVER have gotten into the
Philips Great Pianists of the 20th Century series.
A fine distinction, considering a few who did "get in". And have you
become the self-appointed arbiter of who merits such 'distinction'? [
Remember: Ravel did not win the Prix de Rome after 3 applications.]
Offer your qualifications, please. Even if Bar-Illan was a
reincarnation of Liszt, he would not have been included because of the
producer's outspoken villification of his pro-Israeli 'politics'.


Gerrie C
Matthew B. Tepper
2006-03-23 17:08:16 UTC
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Post by g***@cox.net
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:1143107783.402242.39380
Post by Tony - sidoze
Post by g***@cox.net
Bar-Illan: Mussourgsky. Pictures AaE (the "live" version)
Chopin: Etude in 3rds
Bernstein: Masque from "Age of Anxiety"
Who is this? Never heard of him (or her).
Let's just put it this way: He would never, EVER have gotten into the
Philips Great Pianists of the 20th Century series.
A fine distinction, considering a few who did "get in". And have you
become the self-appointed arbiter of who merits such 'distinction'? [
Remember: Ravel did not win the Prix de Rome after 3 applications.]
Offer your qualifications, please. Even if Bar-Illan was a
reincarnation of Liszt, he would not have been included because of the
producer's outspoken villification of his pro-Israeli 'politics'.
You just named the reason.
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made. ~ FDR (attrib.)
tomdeacon
2006-03-23 18:27:16 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Let's just put it this way: He would never, EVER have gotten into the
Philips Great Pianists of the 20th Century series.
Correct.

TD
Misha
2006-03-23 05:54:12 UTC
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Nelson Freire - Godowsky's Metamorphosis on Strauss's Die Fledermaus
William Kapell - Mephisto Waltz
Misha
2006-03-23 05:55:30 UTC
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Nelson Freire - Godowsky's Metamorphosis on Strauss's Die Fledermaus

Wm Kapell - Liszt Mephisto Waltz
Starobin
2006-03-23 08:27:57 UTC
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Ignaz Friedman - Chopin E-flat Nocturne, Op. 55 No. 2
fha.jonkers
2006-03-23 17:55:47 UTC
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Brahms Handel Variations by C. Arrau (Lugano, 1963).
Lena
2006-03-23 21:40:54 UTC
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Post by Richard Sauer
I'd like to get at least one recording (commercial or non-commercial)
recommendation from the good folks at RMCR which is the single most
spectacular display of pianism that you have ever heard.
Horowitz-Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody no. 15
I never have single most anythings, but I'll nominate the pianists who
play new music. The people who play pieces by Ferneyhough, Barrett,
Birtwistle, and even that old warhorse Boulez, (*) are virtuosos in
every way I can imagine.

(For starters, one might begin with the already much posted-about
recordings by the excellent pianists who have had a presence in this
newsgroup; you know who they are.)

Lena

(*) I don't mean that! :)
Andy Evans
2006-03-24 00:31:07 UTC
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(For starters, one might begin with the already much posted-about
recordings by the excellent pianists who have had a presence in this
newsgroup; you know who they are.) >

You may mean Nic Hodges as one - I had to laugh when his his wife (a
fine American soprano) told me "I went to one of his concerts and his
hands were moving so fast that at one moment I couldn't even see them"
Lena
2006-03-25 00:48:13 UTC
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Post by Lena
(For starters, one might begin with the already much posted-about
recordings by the excellent pianists who have had a presence in this
newsgroup; you know who they are.) >
You may mean Nic Hodges as one -
Yes, I do - both Nic and Ian Pace. Both are virtuosic pianists - and
in this sort of repertoire, it's pretty gratifying to get two
technically excellent performers who project slightly different views,
and have different pianistic styles. (Not that they don't vary their
takes by the piece...) - Anyway, neither pianist's playing style can be
inferred from their posting styles (Ian's seems almost antithetical to
the way he posts and even to his lists of favored pianists), so I think
one may have to actually hear the CDs. :)

Of course, there are other good pianists doing new music, too.
Post by Lena
I had to laugh when his his wife (a
fine American soprano) told me "I went to one of his concerts and his
hands were moving so fast that at one moment I couldn't even see them"
Very nice. Though somehow this gives me all kinds of wrong
associations about pianists as sublimated high-class pickpockets. :)

Lena

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