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MELMOTH
2021-04-01 11:43:13 UTC
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Ave, RMCR friends...
I lived these last 72 hours with my favorite symphony (since its first
discovery in the early 60's, by Walter and Barbirolli)...The one I
played to myself for 10 years while I was doing a bovine c-section at 2
am...When everything was going well (# 40 minutes), I played the
"short" version... In case of complication (>40 minutes), the "long"
version, with all the recoveries (I once removed a 74 kg calf from a
Charolais cow !)...Needless to say that almost all the recorded
versions are in my collection !...(only DVD, LP and CD)...And these
comments are obviously only MY choices, as usual !...Yours will be
inevitably quite different !.

1 - The Historicals

I will pass over the recordings that are said to be
"historical"...*Mengelberg* (1940), the 4 versions of *Furt* (the one
of 1941 is by far the best for me)...But *Karajan 1946* (by far his
best) and *Abendroth* 1949 are fascinating too...
*Toscanini* 1941 with Philadelphia is stunning and of a rare beauty
(his best in my opinion)...
*Krips* 1952 ?...No for me...I never appreciated this conductor...

2 - The Reformers

Concerned to rid the work of its (post)romantic ornaments (tempos,
dynamics, Alla Breve from the beginning)...With or without period
instruments...
*Norrington* (twice; 1988 and 2001)...Absence of vibrao pushed to the
absurd...
*Brüggen* ?...I find it too morxelated, but clearly preferable to the
previous one...
*Daussgard* 2007 and *Minkowski* 2012) ?...Unable to make the musical
text really come alive...
*Hengelbrock* 2012 ?...I find him very prosaic...
*Harnoncourt*...This score has always haunted him...Amsterdam 1992,
either too brittle or too loose...*Berlin 2006*...Natural, dazzling
even if sometimes abrupt...Finally, and by far his best, Vienna
2009...Mysterious...Miraculous...Hypnotic...
*Mackeras* 1987...The first to use ancient instruments, and the first
disc of the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment...I find it
convincing...Don't look for the monumental dimensio of the work...

3 - The Guardian of the Temple

Solemn without asking too many questions!...
*Klemperer1960*...*Karajan* 1968/1977, ronflants...
*Barenboim* 1985, bloated...
*Schmidt
Isserstedt*...*Maazel*...*Haitink*...*Masur*...*Munch*...*Jochum*
?...Bof...
*Szell* 1957/1970...Interesting, but rather dry (sound recording?)...
*Levine* 1983 (Chicago) and *Solti* (Vienna 1981) are fascinating even
if they are a little too "univocal"...
*Wand* (NDR 1991)...One of my favorites...Quite Brucknerian...But I
prefer the recording with Berlin in 1985...Captivating by its agogic
freedom and its narrative breath...

4 - The Gatherers

*Abbado* 1987...*Rattle* 2005...Let's say "mainstream"...Passable,...
*Dohnanyi* (Cleveland 1985)...Attractive, transparent, rigorous...
*Kertesz* 1963...Who, like Walter 1959, is charming, but pulls the work
too much towards the Pastoral of LdV, in my opinion...
*Gardiner* 1997 is also absolutely fascinating...Idiomatic, in a way...
*Boehm* (in his DG complete works of 1963) ?...A little too gullible in
my opinion...Best in Dresden in 1979...He was 84 years old !...Alert,
spontaneous, flamboyant...I had heard him in concert in Stockhom in
1968, with Vienna...One of my most beautiful concert memories !
*Bernstein* (Amsterdam 1987)...Feverish, intuitive, subtle (infinitely
superior to his Sony recording)...
*Sawwalisch* (Dresden 1966)...A "must"...Noble, poetic...Shadows and
lights in equal parts...One of the greatest Schubertian conductors, for
me...
*Muti* 2009 (with Berlin)Olympian...Galvanizing...Monumental and
prophetic, eloquent...

And to finish *Monteux* !...Of course !...
1] ø Concert Boston, February 24, 1956 - Boston OS.
* CD : West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6022 [8CD] - [Radio Archive ]
2] ø Concert Moscow, Great Hall of the Conservatory, September 9, 1956
- Boston OS.
* LP : Melodiya M10 45701 005
* CD : Ars Nova ARS-003 / Cin Cin CCCD1034 (Italy) / Tahra (p 2008 +
Debussy's "Fêtes") - [Origin : Archive Radio]
Durations : I. 13'06 - II. 12'19 - III. 9'00 - IV. 11'53
3] ø [stereo] Concert 8 March 1960 - Philadelphia O. - [Radio archive ]
4] ø [stereo] Concert September 1960
* CD : Disco Archivia 631 - [Archive radio ]
5] ø [stereo] Concert March 30, 1963 - LSO - [Unpublished ]

Unfortunately, I only have the first two recordings...
Why Monteux, you will say to me ?... But because it is Monteux, let's
see !...

So...My podium :

The greatness : *Muti*...
The style : *Sawallisch*...
The verve : *Bernstein*...
The mystery : *Harnoncourt* 2009
The elegance : *Monteux*

I thank those who had the patience to read me until the end !...
Alex Brown
2021-04-01 11:52:49 UTC
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Post by MELMOTH
Ave, RMCR friends...
I lived these last 72 hours with my favorite symphony (since its first
discovery in the early 60's, by Walter and Barbirolli)...The one I
played to myself for 10 years while I was doing a bovine c-section at 2
am...When everything was going well (# 40 minutes), I played the "short"
version... In case of complication (>40 minutes), the "long" version,
with all the recoveries (I once removed a 74 kg calf from a Charolais
cow !)...Needless to say that almost all the recorded versions are in my
collection !...(only DVD, LP and CD)...And these comments are obviously
only MY choices, as usual !...Yours will be inevitably quite different !.
1 - The Historicals
I will pass over the recordings that are said to be
"historical"...*Mengelberg* (1940), the 4 versions of *Furt* (the one of
1941 is by far the best for me)...But *Karajan 1946* (by far his best)
and *Abendroth* 1949 are fascinating too...
*Toscanini* 1941 with Philadelphia is stunning and of a rare beauty (his
best in my opinion)...
*Krips* 1952 ?...No for me...I never appreciated this conductor...
2 - The Reformers
Concerned to rid the work of its (post)romantic ornaments (tempos,
dynamics, Alla Breve from the beginning)...With or without period
instruments...
*Norrington* (twice; 1988 and 2001)...Absence of vibrao pushed to the
absurd...
*Brüggen* ?...I find it too morxelated, but clearly preferable to the
previous one...
*Daussgard* 2007 and *Minkowski* 2012) ?...Unable to make the musical
text really come alive...
*Hengelbrock* 2012 ?...I find him very prosaic...
*Harnoncourt*...This score has always haunted him...Amsterdam 1992,
either too brittle or too loose...*Berlin 2006*...Natural, dazzling even
if sometimes abrupt...Finally, and by far his best, Vienna
2009...Mysterious...Miraculous...Hypnotic...
*Mackeras* 1987...The first to use ancient instruments, and the first
disc of the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment...I find it
convincing...Don't look for the monumental dimensio of the work...
3 - The Guardian of the Temple
Solemn without asking too many questions!...
*Klemperer1960*...*Karajan* 1968/1977, ronflants...
*Barenboim* 1985, bloated...
*Schmidt
Isserstedt*...*Maazel*...*Haitink*...*Masur*...*Munch*...*Jochum*
?...Bof...
*Szell* 1957/1970...Interesting, but rather dry (sound recording?)...
*Levine* 1983 (Chicago) and *Solti* (Vienna 1981) are fascinating even
if they are a little too "univocal"...
*Wand* (NDR 1991)...One of my favorites...Quite Brucknerian...But I
prefer the recording with Berlin in 1985...Captivating by its agogic
freedom and its narrative breath...
4 - The Gatherers
*Abbado* 1987...*Rattle* 2005...Let's say "mainstream"...Passable,...
*Dohnanyi* (Cleveland 1985)...Attractive, transparent, rigorous...
*Kertesz* 1963...Who, like Walter 1959, is charming, but pulls the work
too much towards the Pastoral of LdV, in my opinion...
*Gardiner* 1997 is also absolutely fascinating...Idiomatic, in a way...
*Boehm* (in his DG complete works of 1963) ?...A little too gullible in
my opinion...Best in Dresden in 1979...He was 84 years old !...Alert,
spontaneous, flamboyant...I had heard him in concert in Stockhom in
1968, with Vienna...One of my most beautiful concert memories !
*Bernstein* (Amsterdam 1987)...Feverish, intuitive, subtle (infinitely
superior to his Sony recording)...
*Sawwalisch* (Dresden 1966)...A "must"...Noble, poetic...Shadows and
lights in equal parts...One of the greatest Schubertian conductors, for
me...
*Muti* 2009 (with Berlin)Olympian...Galvanizing...Monumental and
prophetic, eloquent...
And to finish *Monteux* !...Of course !...
1] ø Concert Boston, February 24, 1956 - Boston OS.
* CD : West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6022 [8CD] - [Radio Archive ]
2] ø Concert Moscow, Great Hall of the Conservatory, September 9, 1956 -
Boston OS.
* LP : Melodiya M10 45701 005
* CD : Ars Nova ARS-003 / Cin Cin CCCD1034 (Italy) / Tahra (p 2008 +
Debussy's "Fêtes") - [Origin : Archive Radio]
Durations : I. 13'06 - II. 12'19 - III. 9'00 - IV. 11'53
3] ø [stereo] Concert 8 March 1960 - Philadelphia O. - [Radio archive ]
4] ø [stereo] Concert September 1960
* CD : Disco Archivia 631 - [Archive radio ]
5] ø [stereo] Concert March 30, 1963 - LSO - [Unpublished ]
Unfortunately, I only have the first two recordings...
Why Monteux, you will say to me ?... But because it is Monteux, let's
see !...
The greatness : *Muti*...
The style : *Sawallisch*...
The verve : *Bernstein*...
The mystery : *Harnoncourt* 2009
The elegance : *Monteux*
I thank those who had the patience to read me until the end !...
One that should definitely be heard (and this was a dk recommendation
many years ago) is Franz *Konwitschny* with the Czech PO in 1962. Maybe
the best of all, except perhaps for a fractional lack of heft in the
finale. The Czech PO winds are at their most succulent.

No such heft problems with Hans *Knappertsbusch* and the Vienna PO
(live, 1957) which is sui generis.
--
- Alex Brown
MELMOTH
2021-04-01 12:31:36 UTC
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One that should definitely be heard (and this was a dk recommendation many
years ago) is Franz *Konwitschny* with the Czech PO in 1962. Maybe the best
of all, except perhaps for a fractional lack of heft in the finale. The Czech
PO winds are at their most succulent.
I forgot him !...Indeed a very good version...
I also forgot *Menuhin* (EMI...As much as he is very good in the first
6 symphonies, he is disappointing in the 8th and 9th, alas...Not the
breath)...
And *Vegh* (wonderful complete set)...
And *Celibidache*...It's Celibidache...Everyone will think what he
wants !...
Herman
2021-04-01 12:45:33 UTC
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Once again you fail to mention WHICH symphony you are talking about.

Maybe you think it's cute, or literary, but I'm not going to spend the time thinking if it's the C major or the Unfinished, if you don't spend the time mentioning it.
MELMOTH
2021-04-01 12:50:57 UTC
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Post by Herman
Maybe you think it's cute, or literary, but I'm not going to spend the time
thinking if it's the C major or the Unfinished, if you don't spend the time
mentioning it.
I distinguished the "long" version (with all the repeats) from the
"short" version...
Do you know of a 1 hour long version of the second symphony ?...
Well...Let's dot the i's...It's obviously "The Great One", right!...
mswd...@gmail.com
2021-04-01 12:57:33 UTC
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Post by Herman
Once again you fail to mention WHICH symphony you are talking about.
Maybe you think it's cute, or literary, but I'm not going to spend the time thinking if it's the C major or the Unfinished, if you don't spend the time mentioning it.
An "unfinished" that lasts 40 minutes? They'd be calling it Schubert's "Internminable".
Al Eisner
2021-04-03 01:27:26 UTC
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Post by Herman
Once again you fail to mention WHICH symphony you are talking about.
Maybe you think it's cute, or literary, but I'm not going to spend the time thinking if it's the C major or the Unfinished, if you don't spend the time mentioning it.
While I mostly agree with your position, in this case it was quite
clear what he was referring to. I was momentarily stumped by the
early statement that the symphony was discovered in the early
1960's, but I suspect he meant that he first heard it then.
Anyway, preponderance of evidence....
--
Al Eisner
Todd Michel McComb
2021-04-03 01:46:21 UTC
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Post by Al Eisner
While I mostly agree with your position, in this case it was quite
clear what he was referring to.
Classical music & the decoder ring....

But the issue of course is whether to read the thread, yes, Mr.
Monkmoth? (Let me tell you, I think that Monk can be very good on
guitar....)

(You, Al, are of course pretty much the best behaved person here.
Unlike me.)
Dan Koren
2021-04-03 01:53:21 UTC
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Post by Todd Michel McComb
Post by Al Eisner
While I mostly agree with your position, in this case it was quite
clear what he was referring to.
Classical music & the decoder ring....
But the issue of course is whether to read the thread,
yes, Mr. Monkmoth? (Let me tell you, I think that Monk
can be very good on guitar....)
(You, Al, are of course pretty much the best behaved
person here. Unlike me.)
You are very well behaved, Todd! If you would like to
become a bad boy, I would be happy to coach you!

dk
Todd Michel McComb
2021-04-03 02:16:01 UTC
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You are very well behaved, Todd! If you would like to become a bad
boy, I would be happy to coach you!
Sorry Dan, but thanks for the good feelings....
Al Eisner
2021-04-03 21:43:07 UTC
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Post by Todd Michel McComb
Post by Al Eisner
While I mostly agree with your position, in this case it was quite
clear what he was referring to.
Classical music & the decoder ring....
But the issue of course is whether to read the thread, yes, Mr.
Monkmoth? (Let me tell you, I think that Monk can be very good on
guitar....)
Well, with "SCHUBERT" as the subject, I was likely to read it, and
pretty soon found out what it wax about. (WOuld you start reading if
(however unlikely) MELMOTH started a thread engtitled "CAGE"?)
But there are far less specific examples of the same issue. Not
the only annoyance here....
Post by Todd Michel McComb
(You, Al, are of course pretty much the best behaved person here.
Unlike me.)
I guess I need to remedy that. There are certainly temptgations. :)

Seriously, there are others in that category, including several who are
much more knowledgeable (and hence more useful to the forum) than I am.
--
Al Eisner
Todd Michel McComb
2021-04-03 23:20:39 UTC
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Post by Al Eisner
Well, with "SCHUBERT" as the subject, I was likely to read it, and
pretty soon found out what it wax about. (WOuld you start reading if
(however unlikely) MELMOTH started a thread engtitled "CAGE"?)
Not unlikely at all, I assume, seeing as BARRAQUE is the only
composer he doesn't get....

But yes, I probably would -- although the volume written on the two
composers over the years is not actually comparable.
mswd...@gmail.com
2021-04-01 13:02:33 UTC
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I spent too much of my life thinking the "Great" was serious and grim. For all that I love Szell, that' what he does with the piece. But it can be a joy in the right hands. Maag makes it all light and even subverts the drama of the last big chords, as if to say "this is not the point". It isn't my favorite, but there is a lot to enjoy. I think it was Mengelberg who opened my eyes to what a pleasure the symphony could be.
MELMOTH
2021-04-01 14:23:04 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
a joy in the right hands. Maag makes
I do not know Maag...
Dan Koren
2021-04-02 23:36:46 UTC
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Post by MELMOTH
Post by ***@gmail.com
a joy in the right hands. Maag makes
I do not know Maag...
How about this one?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q1lgwb3agmhh0qf/take%201.mp3?dl=0

dk
Phl Maestro
2021-04-01 14:57:15 UTC
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Post by MELMOTH
Ave, RMCR friends...
I lived these last 72 hours with my favorite symphony (since its first
discovery in the early 60's, by Walter and Barbirolli)...The one I
played to myself for 10 years while I was doing a bovine c-section at 2
am...When everything was going well (# 40 minutes), I played the
"short" version... In case of complication (>40 minutes), the "long"
version, with all the recoveries (I once removed a 74 kg calf from a
Charolais cow !)...Needless to say that almost all the recorded
versions are in my collection !...(only DVD, LP and CD)...And these
comments are obviously only MY choices, as usual !...Yours will be
inevitably quite different !.
1 - The Historicals
I will pass over the recordings that are said to be
"historical"...*Mengelberg* (1940), the 4 versions of *Furt* (the one
of 1941 is by far the best for me)...But *Karajan 1946* (by far his
best) and *Abendroth* 1949 are fascinating too...
*Toscanini* 1941 with Philadelphia is stunning and of a rare beauty
(his best in my opinion)...
*Krips* 1952 ?...No for me...I never appreciated this conductor...
2 - The Reformers
Concerned to rid the work of its (post)romantic ornaments (tempos,
dynamics, Alla Breve from the beginning)...With or without period
instruments...
*Norrington* (twice; 1988 and 2001)...Absence of vibrao pushed to the
absurd...
*Brüggen* ?...I find it too morxelated, but clearly preferable to the
previous one...
*Daussgard* 2007 and *Minkowski* 2012) ?...Unable to make the musical
text really come alive...
*Hengelbrock* 2012 ?...I find him very prosaic...
*Harnoncourt*...This score has always haunted him...Amsterdam 1992,
either too brittle or too loose...*Berlin 2006*...Natural, dazzling
even if sometimes abrupt...Finally, and by far his best, Vienna
2009...Mysterious...Miraculous...Hypnotic...
*Mackeras* 1987...The first to use ancient instruments, and the first
disc of the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment...I find it
convincing...Don't look for the monumental dimensio of the work...
3 - The Guardian of the Temple
Solemn without asking too many questions!...
*Klemperer1960*...*Karajan* 1968/1977, ronflants...
*Barenboim* 1985, bloated...
*Schmidt
Isserstedt*...*Maazel*...*Haitink*...*Masur*...*Munch*...*Jochum*
?...Bof...
*Szell* 1957/1970...Interesting, but rather dry (sound recording?)...
*Levine* 1983 (Chicago) and *Solti* (Vienna 1981) are fascinating even
if they are a little too "univocal"...
*Wand* (NDR 1991)...One of my favorites...Quite Brucknerian...But I
prefer the recording with Berlin in 1985...Captivating by its agogic
freedom and its narrative breath...
4 - The Gatherers
*Abbado* 1987...*Rattle* 2005...Let's say "mainstream"...Passable,...
*Dohnanyi* (Cleveland 1985)...Attractive, transparent, rigorous...
*Kertesz* 1963...Who, like Walter 1959, is charming, but pulls the work
too much towards the Pastoral of LdV, in my opinion...
*Gardiner* 1997 is also absolutely fascinating...Idiomatic, in a way...
*Boehm* (in his DG complete works of 1963) ?...A little too gullible in
my opinion...Best in Dresden in 1979...He was 84 years old !...Alert,
spontaneous, flamboyant...I had heard him in concert in Stockhom in
1968, with Vienna...One of my most beautiful concert memories !
*Bernstein* (Amsterdam 1987)...Feverish, intuitive, subtle (infinitely
superior to his Sony recording)...
*Sawwalisch* (Dresden 1966)...A "must"...Noble, poetic...Shadows and
lights in equal parts...One of the greatest Schubertian conductors, for
me...
*Muti* 2009 (with Berlin)Olympian...Galvanizing...Monumental and
prophetic, eloquent...
And to finish *Monteux* !...Of course !...
1] ø Concert Boston, February 24, 1956 - Boston OS.
* CD : West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6022 [8CD] - [Radio Archive ]
2] ø Concert Moscow, Great Hall of the Conservatory, September 9, 1956
- Boston OS.
* LP : Melodiya M10 45701 005
* CD : Ars Nova ARS-003 / Cin Cin CCCD1034 (Italy) / Tahra (p 2008 +
Debussy's "Fêtes") - [Origin : Archive Radio]
Durations : I. 13'06 - II. 12'19 - III. 9'00 - IV. 11'53
3] ø [stereo] Concert 8 March 1960 - Philadelphia O. - [Radio archive ]
4] ø [stereo] Concert September 1960
* CD : Disco Archivia 631 - [Archive radio ]
5] ø [stereo] Concert March 30, 1963 - LSO - [Unpublished ]
Unfortunately, I only have the first two recordings...
Why Monteux, you will say to me ?... But because it is Monteux, let's
see !...
The greatness : *Muti*...
The style : *Sawallisch*...
The verve : *Bernstein*...
The mystery : *Harnoncourt* 2009
The elegance : *Monteux*
I thank those who had the patience to read me until the end !...
My podium holds:

Furtwangler/BPO, the live '42 performance, which I think is far superior to the studio DG release
Szell/Cleveland/Columbia (Sony)
Walter/NY/1946, which I have on United Archives in pretty good sound for the period

Just below those are Krips and Bohm/Dresden.
Steve Emerson
2021-04-01 21:51:47 UTC
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Post by MELMOTH
Ave, RMCR friends...
I lived these last 72 hours with my favorite symphony (since its first
discovery in the early 60's, by Walter and Barbirolli)...The one I
played to myself for 10 years while I was doing a bovine c-section at 2
am...When everything was going well (# 40 minutes), I played the
"short" version... In case of complication (>40 minutes), the "long"
version, with all the recoveries (I once removed a 74 kg calf from a
Charolais cow !)...Needless to say that almost all the recorded
versions are in my collection !...(only DVD, LP and CD)...And these
comments are obviously only MY choices, as usual !...Yours will be
inevitably quite different !.
1 - The Historicals
I will pass over the recordings that are said to be
"historical"...*Mengelberg* (1940), the 4 versions of *Furt* (the one
of 1941 is by far the best for me)...But *Karajan 1946* (by far his
best) and *Abendroth* 1949 are fascinating too...
*Toscanini* 1941 with Philadelphia is stunning and of a rare beauty
(his best in my opinion)...
*Krips* 1952 ?...No for me...I never appreciated this conductor...
2 - The Reformers
Concerned to rid the work of its (post)romantic ornaments (tempos,
dynamics, Alla Breve from the beginning)...With or without period
instruments...
*Norrington* (twice; 1988 and 2001)...Absence of vibrao pushed to the
absurd...
*Brüggen* ?...I find it too morxelated, but clearly preferable to the
previous one...
*Daussgard* 2007 and *Minkowski* 2012) ?...Unable to make the musical
text really come alive...
*Hengelbrock* 2012 ?...I find him very prosaic...
*Harnoncourt*...This score has always haunted him...Amsterdam 1992,
either too brittle or too loose...*Berlin 2006*...Natural, dazzling
even if sometimes abrupt...Finally, and by far his best, Vienna
2009...Mysterious...Miraculous...Hypnotic...
*Mackeras* 1987...The first to use ancient instruments, and the first
disc of the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment...I find it
convincing...Don't look for the monumental dimensio of the work...
3 - The Guardian of the Temple
Solemn without asking too many questions!...
*Klemperer1960*...*Karajan* 1968/1977, ronflants...
*Barenboim* 1985, bloated...
*Schmidt
Isserstedt*...*Maazel*...*Haitink*...*Masur*...*Munch*...*Jochum*
?...Bof...
*Szell* 1957/1970...Interesting, but rather dry (sound recording?)...
*Levine* 1983 (Chicago) and *Solti* (Vienna 1981) are fascinating even
if they are a little too "univocal"...
*Wand* (NDR 1991)...One of my favorites...Quite Brucknerian...But I
prefer the recording with Berlin in 1985...Captivating by its agogic
freedom and its narrative breath...
4 - The Gatherers
*Abbado* 1987...*Rattle* 2005...Let's say "mainstream"...Passable,...
*Dohnanyi* (Cleveland 1985)...Attractive, transparent, rigorous...
*Kertesz* 1963...Who, like Walter 1959, is charming, but pulls the work
too much towards the Pastoral of LdV, in my opinion...
*Gardiner* 1997 is also absolutely fascinating...Idiomatic, in a way...
*Boehm* (in his DG complete works of 1963) ?...A little too gullible in
my opinion...Best in Dresden in 1979...He was 84 years old !...Alert,
spontaneous, flamboyant...I had heard him in concert in Stockhom in
1968, with Vienna...One of my most beautiful concert memories !
*Bernstein* (Amsterdam 1987)...Feverish, intuitive, subtle (infinitely
superior to his Sony recording)...
*Sawwalisch* (Dresden 1966)...A "must"...Noble, poetic...Shadows and
lights in equal parts...One of the greatest Schubertian conductors, for
me...
*Muti* 2009 (with Berlin)Olympian...Galvanizing...Monumental and
prophetic, eloquent...
And to finish *Monteux* !...Of course !...
1] ø Concert Boston, February 24, 1956 - Boston OS.
* CD : West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6022 [8CD] - [Radio Archive ]
2] ø Concert Moscow, Great Hall of the Conservatory, September 9, 1956
- Boston OS.
* LP : Melodiya M10 45701 005
* CD : Ars Nova ARS-003 / Cin Cin CCCD1034 (Italy) / Tahra (p 2008 +
Debussy's "Fêtes") - [Origin : Archive Radio]
Durations : I. 13'06 - II. 12'19 - III. 9'00 - IV. 11'53
3] ø [stereo] Concert 8 March 1960 - Philadelphia O. - [Radio archive ]
4] ø [stereo] Concert September 1960
* CD : Disco Archivia 631 - [Archive radio ]
5] ø [stereo] Concert March 30, 1963 - LSO - [Unpublished ]
Unfortunately, I only have the first two recordings...
Why Monteux, you will say to me ?... But because it is Monteux, let's
see !...
The greatness : *Muti*...
The style : *Sawallisch*...
The verve : *Bernstein*...
The mystery : *Harnoncourt* 2009
The elegance : *Monteux*
I thank those who had the patience to read me until the end !...
Our tastes never seem to overlap (at all!) so I was pleased to see you add Sandor Vegh* to your list. I haven't heard everything here, but I have heard a good amount. As usual, most of my great favorites are not on your list, I say FWIW. They include Munch, Steinberg/BSO, Krips, Vegh/Camerata Salzburg, Rosbaud, and Wand/WDR 1977. I know at least one of the Wand recordings you mention, but didn't find it compelling (par for the course in my experience of GW, sorry to say). --Asahina/Osaka 1996 is one more; another of my favorite Asahina recordings. Heavenly length.*Vegh, I think perhaps there are two? Is the one you're thinking of Camerata Salzburg (formerly Camerata Academica... Mozarteum Salzburg), with crazy packaging on the Budapest Music Center label? I still haven't heard the Maag outing MSW mentions though I like one with the NHK.

SE/
MELMOTH
2021-04-02 07:49:36 UTC
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Post by Steve Emerson
Our tastes never seem to overlap (at all!)
You know, my dear, that it is MY choices that are the best !...
And I forgot *Zinmann*, who recorded a very good complete work for Arte
Nova...

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Alan Cooper
2021-04-02 15:09:20 UTC
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Post by Steve Emerson
Our tastes never seem to overlap (at all!) so I was pleased to see you add Sandor Vegh* to your list. I haven't heard everything here, but I have heard a good amount. As usual, most of my great favorites are not on your list, I say FWIW. They include Munch, Steinberg/BSO, Krips, Vegh/Camerata Salzburg, Rosbaud, and Wand/WDR 1977. I know at least one of the Wand recordings you mention, but didn't find it compelling (par for the course in my experience of GW, sorry to say). --Asahina/Osaka 1996 is one more; another of my favorite Asahina recordings. Heavenly length.*Vegh, I think perhaps there are two? Is the one you're thinking of Camerata Salzburg (formerly Camerata Academica... Mozarteum Salzburg), with crazy packaging on the Budapest Music Center label? I still haven't heard the Maag outing MSW mentions though I like one with the NHK.
SE/
As usual, my taste is aligned more or less with Steve's, esp. regarding Munch, Steinberg, and Rosbaud. Last time I listened to Krips (a longtime favorite) I found it dull. I haven't listened to Wand in ages and don't recall if I have heard Vegh at all. My current favorites are Cantelli/NBC (1953), Leibowitz/RPO, and Maag/BSO (1975). I also have high hopes for a recently acquired Maderna performance that I have not yet auditioned because I like Maderna in just about everything. Among Melmoth's selections, I heartily endorse Sawallisch/Dresden, which is included in my favorite set of the complete symphonies.

AC
Al Eisner
2021-04-03 21:19:02 UTC
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Post by Steve Emerson
Post by MELMOTH
Ave, RMCR friends...
I lived these last 72 hours with my favorite symphony (since its first
discovery in the early 60's, by Walter and Barbirolli)...The one I
played to myself for 10 years while I was doing a bovine c-section at 2
am...When everything was going well (# 40 minutes), I played the
"short" version... In case of complication (>40 minutes), the "long"
version, with all the recoveries (I once removed a 74 kg calf from a
Charolais cow !)...Needless to say that almost all the recorded
versions are in my collection !...(only DVD, LP and CD)...And these
comments are obviously only MY choices, as usual !...Yours will be
inevitably quite different !.
1 - The Historicals
I will pass over the recordings that are said to be
"historical"...*Mengelberg* (1940), the 4 versions of *Furt* (the one
of 1941 is by far the best for me)...But *Karajan 1946* (by far his
best) and *Abendroth* 1949 are fascinating too...
*Toscanini* 1941 with Philadelphia is stunning and of a rare beauty
(his best in my opinion)...
*Krips* 1952 ?...No for me...I never appreciated this conductor...
2 - The Reformers
Concerned to rid the work of its (post)romantic ornaments (tempos,
dynamics, Alla Breve from the beginning)...With or without period
instruments...
*Norrington* (twice; 1988 and 2001)...Absence of vibrao pushed to the
absurd...
*BrÃŒggen* ?...I find it too morxelated, but clearly preferable to the
previous one...
*Daussgard* 2007 and *Minkowski* 2012) ?...Unable to make the musical
text really come alive...
*Hengelbrock* 2012 ?...I find him very prosaic...
*Harnoncourt*...This score has always haunted him...Amsterdam 1992,
either too brittle or too loose...*Berlin 2006*...Natural, dazzling
even if sometimes abrupt...Finally, and by far his best, Vienna
2009...Mysterious...Miraculous...Hypnotic...
*Mackeras* 1987...The first to use ancient instruments, and the first
disc of the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment...I find it
convincing...Don't look for the monumental dimensio of the work...
3 - The Guardian of the Temple
Solemn without asking too many questions!...
*Klemperer1960*...*Karajan* 1968/1977, ronflants...
*Barenboim* 1985, bloated...
*Schmidt
Isserstedt*...*Maazel*...*Haitink*...*Masur*...*Munch*...*Jochum*
?...Bof...
*Szell* 1957/1970...Interesting, but rather dry (sound recording?)...
*Levine* 1983 (Chicago) and *Solti* (Vienna 1981) are fascinating even
if they are a little too "univocal"...
*Wand* (NDR 1991)...One of my favorites...Quite Brucknerian...But I
prefer the recording with Berlin in 1985...Captivating by its agogic
freedom and its narrative breath...
4 - The Gatherers
*Abbado* 1987...*Rattle* 2005...Let's say "mainstream"...Passable,...
*Dohnanyi* (Cleveland 1985)...Attractive, transparent, rigorous...
*Kertesz* 1963...Who, like Walter 1959, is charming, but pulls the work
too much towards the Pastoral of LdV, in my opinion...
*Gardiner* 1997 is also absolutely fascinating...Idiomatic, in a way...
*Boehm* (in his DG complete works of 1963) ?...A little too gullible in
my opinion...Best in Dresden in 1979...He was 84 years old !...Alert,
spontaneous, flamboyant...I had heard him in concert in Stockhom in
1968, with Vienna...One of my most beautiful concert memories !
*Bernstein* (Amsterdam 1987)...Feverish, intuitive, subtle (infinitely
superior to his Sony recording)...
*Sawwalisch* (Dresden 1966)...A "must"...Noble, poetic...Shadows and
lights in equal parts...One of the greatest Schubertian conductors, for
me...
*Muti* 2009 (with Berlin)Olympian...Galvanizing...Monumental and
prophetic, eloquent...
And to finish *Monteux* !...Of course !...
1] Þ Concert Boston, February 24, 1956 - Boston OS.
* CD : West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6022 [8CD] - [Radio Archive ]
2] Þ Concert Moscow, Great Hall of the Conservatory, September 9, 1956
- Boston OS.
* LP : Melodiya M10 45701 005
* CD : Ars Nova ARS-003 / Cin Cin CCCD1034 (Italy) / Tahra (p 2008 +
Debussy's "Fêtes") - [Origin : Archive Radio]
Durations : I. 13'06 - II. 12'19 - III. 9'00 - IV. 11'53
3] Þ [stereo] Concert 8 March 1960 - Philadelphia O. - [Radio archive ]
4] Þ [stereo] Concert September 1960
* CD : Disco Archivia 631 - [Archive radio ]
5] Þ [stereo] Concert March 30, 1963 - LSO - [Unpublished ]
Unfortunately, I only have the first two recordings...
Why Monteux, you will say to me ?... But because it is Monteux, let's
see !...
The greatness : *Muti*...
The style : *Sawallisch*...
The verve : *Bernstein*...
The mystery : *Harnoncourt* 2009
The elegance : *Monteux*
I thank those who had the patience to read me until the end !...
Our tastes never seem to overlap (at all!) so I was pleased to see you add Sandor Vegh* to your list. I haven't heard everything here, but I have heard a good amount. As usual, most of my great favorites are not on your list, I say FWIW. They include Munch, Steinberg/BSO, Krips, Vegh/Camerata Salzburg, Rosbaud, and Wand/WDR 1977. I know at least one of the Wand recordings you mention, but didn't find it compelling (par for the course in my experience of GW, sorry to say). --Asahina/Osaka 1996 is one more; another of my favorite Asahina recordings. Heavenly length.*Vegh, I think perhaps there are two? Is the one you're thinking of Camerata Salzburg (formerly Camerata Academica... Mozarteum Salzburg), with crazy packaging on the Budapest Music Center label? I still haven't heard the Maag outing MSW mentions though I like one with the NHK.
SE/
The words "heavenly length" in Steve's reply drew my attention - I'm always
potentially interested in a performance which takes the repeats in the
outer movements. (Of course it has to satisfy me in other ways too.)
I can't ell if those words reer to Asahina/Osaka or to Vegh. I suspect
the former, but I looked fof it without success. (Amazon has some
high-priced Asahina/Osaka, but no Schubert. HMV Japan has no Asahina
Schubert at all - and typical prices look very high even before shipping.
Curiously, Berkshire has a couple of Asahina/Osaka recordings, including
a Mahler 4, and some other Asahina - mostly on a label called Tobu.)
--
Al Eisner
weary flake
2021-04-05 23:55:39 UTC
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Post by MELMOTH
Ave, RMCR friends...
I lived these last 72 hours with my favorite symphony (since its first
discovery in the early 60's, by Walter and Barbirolli)...The one I
played to myself for 10 years while I was doing a bovine c-section at 2
am...When everything was going well (# 40 minutes), I played the
"short" version... In case of complication (>40 minutes), the "long"
version, with all the recoveries (I once removed a 74 kg calf from a
Charolais cow !)...Needless to say that almost all the recorded
versions are in my collection !...(only DVD, LP and CD)...And these
comments are obviously only MY choices, as usual !...Yours will be
inevitably quite different !.
1 - The Historicals
I will pass over the recordings that are said to be
"historical"...*Mengelberg* (1940), the 4 versions of *Furt* (the one
of 1941 is by far the best for me)...But *Karajan 1946* (by far his
best) and *Abendroth* 1949 are fascinating too...
*Toscanini* 1941 with Philadelphia is stunning and of a rare beauty
(his best in my opinion)...
*Krips* 1952 ?...No for me...I never appreciated this conductor...
2 - The Reformers
Concerned to rid the work of its (post)romantic ornaments (tempos,
dynamics, Alla Breve from the beginning)...With or without period
instruments...
*Norrington* (twice; 1988 and 2001)...Absence of vibrao pushed to the
absurd...
*Brüggen* ?...I find it too morxelated, but clearly preferable to the
previous one...
*Daussgard* 2007 and *Minkowski* 2012) ?...Unable to make the musical
text really come alive...
*Hengelbrock* 2012 ?...I find him very prosaic...
*Harnoncourt*...This score has always haunted him...Amsterdam 1992,
either too brittle or too loose...*Berlin 2006*...Natural, dazzling
even if sometimes abrupt...Finally, and by far his best, Vienna
2009...Mysterious...Miraculous...Hypnotic...
*Mackeras* 1987...The first to use ancient instruments, and the first
disc of the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment...I find it
convincing...Don't look for the monumental dimensio of the work...
3 - The Guardian of the Temple
Solemn without asking too many questions!...
*Klemperer1960*...*Karajan* 1968/1977, ronflants...
*Barenboim* 1985, bloated...
*Schmidt
Isserstedt*...*Maazel*...*Haitink*...*Masur*...*Munch*...*Jochum*
?...Bof...
*Szell* 1957/1970...Interesting, but rather dry (sound recording?)...
*Levine* 1983 (Chicago) and *Solti* (Vienna 1981) are fascinating even
if they are a little too "univocal"...
*Wand* (NDR 1991)...One of my favorites...Quite Brucknerian...But I
prefer the recording with Berlin in 1985...Captivating by its agogic
freedom and its narrative breath...
4 - The Gatherers
*Abbado* 1987...*Rattle* 2005...Let's say "mainstream"...Passable,...
*Dohnanyi* (Cleveland 1985)...Attractive, transparent, rigorous...
*Kertesz* 1963...Who, like Walter 1959, is charming, but pulls the work
too much towards the Pastoral of LdV, in my opinion...
*Gardiner* 1997 is also absolutely fascinating...Idiomatic, in a way...
*Boehm* (in his DG complete works of 1963) ?...A little too gullible in
my opinion...Best in Dresden in 1979...He was 84 years old !...Alert,
spontaneous, flamboyant...I had heard him in concert in Stockhom in
1968, with Vienna...One of my most beautiful concert memories !
*Bernstein* (Amsterdam 1987)...Feverish, intuitive, subtle (infinitely
superior to his Sony recording)...
*Sawwalisch* (Dresden 1966)...A "must"...Noble, poetic...Shadows and
lights in equal parts...One of the greatest Schubertian conductors, for
me...
*Muti* 2009 (with Berlin)Olympian...Galvanizing...Monumental and
prophetic, eloquent...
And to finish *Monteux* !...Of course !...
1] ø Concert Boston, February 24, 1956 - Boston OS.
* CD : West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6022 [8CD] - [Radio Archive ]
2] ø Concert Moscow, Great Hall of the Conservatory, September 9, 1956
- Boston OS.
* LP : Melodiya M10 45701 005
* CD : Ars Nova ARS-003 / Cin Cin CCCD1034 (Italy) / Tahra (p 2008 +
Debussy's "Fêtes") - [Origin : Archive Radio]
Durations : I. 13'06 - II. 12'19 - III. 9'00 - IV. 11'53
3] ø [stereo] Concert 8 March 1960 - Philadelphia O. - [Radio archive ]
4] ø [stereo] Concert September 1960
* CD : Disco Archivia 631 - [Archive radio ]
5] ø [stereo] Concert March 30, 1963 - LSO - [Unpublished ]
Unfortunately, I only have the first two recordings...
Why Monteux, you will say to me ?... But because it is Monteux, let's
see !...
The greatness : *Muti*...
The style : *Sawallisch*...
The verve : *Bernstein*...
The mystery : *Harnoncourt* 2009
The elegance : *Monteux*
I thank those who had the patience to read me until the end !...
Our tastes never seem to overlap (at all!) so I was pleased to see you add Sandor Vegh* to your list. I haven't heard everything here, but I have heard a good amount. As usual, most of my great favorites are not on your list, I say FWIW. They include Munch, Steinberg/BSO, Krips, Vegh/Camerata Salzburg, Rosbaud, and Wand/WDR 1977. I know at least one of the Wand recordings you mention, but didn't find it compelling (par for the course in my experience of GW, sorry to say). --Asahina/Osaka 1996 is one more; another of my favorite Asahina recordings. Heavenly length.*Vegh, I think perhaps thereare two? Is the one you're thinking of Camerata Salzburg (formerly Camerata Academica... Mozarteum Salzburg), with crazy packaging on the Budapest Music Center label? I still haven't heard the Maag outing MSW mentions thoughI like one with the NHK.
SE/
The words "heavenly length" in Steve's reply drew my attention - I'm  always potentially interested in a performance which takes the repeats in the
outer movements.  (Of course it has to satisfy me in other ways too.)
Does Muti do all repeats? I assume it is because it's
an hour long and doesn't sound slow.
I can't ell if those words reer to Asahina/Osaka or to Vegh.  I suspect
the former, but I looked fof it without success.  (Amazon has some
high-priced Asahina/Osaka, but no Schubert.  HMV Japan has no Asahina
Schubert at all - and typical prices look very high even before shipping.
Curiously, Berkshire has a couple of Asahina/Osaka recordings, including
a Mahler 4, and some other Asahina - mostly on a label called Tobu.)
Steve Emerson
2021-04-11 16:10:58 UTC
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Post by Steve Emerson
Post by MELMOTH
Ave, RMCR friends...
I lived these last 72 hours with my favorite symphony (since its first
discovery in the early 60's, by Walter and Barbirolli)...The one I
played to myself for 10 years while I was doing a bovine c-section at 2
am...When everything was going well (# 40 minutes), I played the
"short" version... In case of complication (>40 minutes), the "long"
version, with all the recoveries (I once removed a 74 kg calf from a
Charolais cow !)...Needless to say that almost all the recorded
versions are in my collection !...(only DVD, LP and CD)...And these
comments are obviously only MY choices, as usual !...Yours will be
inevitably quite different !.
1 - The Historicals
I will pass over the recordings that are said to be
"historical"...*Mengelberg* (1940), the 4 versions of *Furt* (the one
of 1941 is by far the best for me)...But *Karajan 1946* (by far his
best) and *Abendroth* 1949 are fascinating too...
*Toscanini* 1941 with Philadelphia is stunning and of a rare beauty
(his best in my opinion)...
*Krips* 1952 ?...No for me...I never appreciated this conductor...
2 - The Reformers
Concerned to rid the work of its (post)romantic ornaments (tempos,
dynamics, Alla Breve from the beginning)...With or without period
instruments...
*Norrington* (twice; 1988 and 2001)...Absence of vibrao pushed to the
absurd...
*Brüggen* ?...I find it too morxelated, but clearly preferable to the
previous one...
*Daussgard* 2007 and *Minkowski* 2012) ?...Unable to make the musical
text really come alive...
*Hengelbrock* 2012 ?...I find him very prosaic...
*Harnoncourt*...This score has always haunted him...Amsterdam 1992,
either too brittle or too loose...*Berlin 2006*...Natural, dazzling
even if sometimes abrupt...Finally, and by far his best, Vienna
2009...Mysterious...Miraculous...Hypnotic...
*Mackeras* 1987...The first to use ancient instruments, and the first
disc of the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment...I find it
convincing...Don't look for the monumental dimensio of the work...
3 - The Guardian of the Temple
Solemn without asking too many questions!...
*Klemperer1960*...*Karajan* 1968/1977, ronflants...
*Barenboim* 1985, bloated...
*Schmidt
Isserstedt*...*Maazel*...*Haitink*...*Masur*...*Munch*...*Jochum*
?...Bof...
*Szell* 1957/1970...Interesting, but rather dry (sound recording?)...
*Levine* 1983 (Chicago) and *Solti* (Vienna 1981) are fascinating even
if they are a little too "univocal"...
*Wand* (NDR 1991)...One of my favorites...Quite Brucknerian...But I
prefer the recording with Berlin in 1985...Captivating by its agogic
freedom and its narrative breath...
4 - The Gatherers
*Abbado* 1987...*Rattle* 2005...Let's say "mainstream"...Passable,...
*Dohnanyi* (Cleveland 1985)...Attractive, transparent, rigorous...
*Kertesz* 1963...Who, like Walter 1959, is charming, but pulls the work
too much towards the Pastoral of LdV, in my opinion...
*Gardiner* 1997 is also absolutely fascinating...Idiomatic, in a way...
*Boehm* (in his DG complete works of 1963) ?...A little too gullible in
my opinion...Best in Dresden in 1979...He was 84 years old !...Alert,
spontaneous, flamboyant...I had heard him in concert in Stockhom in
1968, with Vienna...One of my most beautiful concert memories !
*Bernstein* (Amsterdam 1987)...Feverish, intuitive, subtle (infinitely
superior to his Sony recording)...
*Sawwalisch* (Dresden 1966)...A "must"...Noble, poetic...Shadows and
lights in equal parts...One of the greatest Schubertian conductors, for
me...
*Muti* 2009 (with Berlin)Olympian...Galvanizing...Monumental and
prophetic, eloquent...
And to finish *Monteux* !...Of course !...
1] ø Concert Boston, February 24, 1956 - Boston OS.
* CD : West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6022 [8CD] - [Radio Archive ]
2] ø Concert Moscow, Great Hall of the Conservatory, September 9, 1956
- Boston OS.
* LP : Melodiya M10 45701 005
* CD : Ars Nova ARS-003 / Cin Cin CCCD1034 (Italy) / Tahra (p 2008 +
Debussy's "Fêtes") - [Origin : Archive Radio]
Durations : I. 13'06 - II. 12'19 - III. 9'00 - IV. 11'53
3] ø [stereo] Concert 8 March 1960 - Philadelphia O. - [Radio archive ]
4] ø [stereo] Concert September 1960
* CD : Disco Archivia 631 - [Archive radio ]
5] ø [stereo] Concert March 30, 1963 - LSO - [Unpublished ]
Unfortunately, I only have the first two recordings...
Why Monteux, you will say to me ?... But because it is Monteux, let's
see !...
The greatness : *Muti*...
The style : *Sawallisch*...
The verve : *Bernstein*...
The mystery : *Harnoncourt* 2009
The elegance : *Monteux*
I thank those who had the patience to read me until the end !...
Our tastes never seem to overlap (at all!) so I was pleased to see you add Sandor Vegh* to your list. I haven't heard everything here, but I have heard a good amount. As usual, most of my great favorites are not on your list, I say FWIW. They include Munch, Steinberg/BSO, Krips, Vegh/Camerata Salzburg, Rosbaud, and Wand/WDR 1977. I know at least one of the Wand recordings you mention, but didn't find it compelling (par for the course in my experience of GW, sorry to say). --Asahina/Osaka 1996 is one more; another of my favorite Asahina recordings. Heavenly length.*Vegh, I think perhaps there are two? Is the one you're thinking of Camerata Salzburg (formerly Camerata Academica... Mozarteum Salzburg), with crazy packaging on the Budapest Music Center label? I still haven't heard the Maag outing MSW mentions though I like one with the NHK.
SE/
The words "heavenly length" in Steve's reply drew my attention - I'm always
potentially interested in a performance which takes the repeats in the
outer movements. (Of course it has to satisfy me in other ways too.)
I can't ell if those words reer to Asahina/Osaka or to Vegh. I suspect
the former, but I looked fof it without success. (Amazon has some
high-priced Asahina/Osaka, but no Schubert. HMV Japan has no Asahina
Schubert at all - and typical prices look very high even before shipping.
Curiously, Berkshire has a couple of Asahina/Osaka recordings, including
a Mahler 4, and some other Asahina - mostly on a label called Tobu.)
--
Al Eisner
Hope you're still there, Al. Heavenly length was meant for the Asahina, timings of which are: 15:54 - 15:24 - 13:23 - 17:03. But the Vegh recording I have is not without expansiveness and grace; though it achieves more clout. Vegh (Budapest Music Center label) timings: 13:43 - 16:01 - 10:12 - 11:54. I will email you about the Asahina; it looks like your SLAC address is still current. Incidentally, this Vegh package is quite something. Verbal tributes from Andras Schiff and Kurtag. Of his leadership of the orchestra: "After taking over leadership... Vegh slowly replaced the whole ensemble, leaving only the bassist. A marked feaure of the Camerata sound was that the strings were usually Vegh's students.... Sandor Vegh was not a conductor in the customary sense. In his hands, the Camerata was like a multiplied string quartet" (this somehow despite the presence of brass and winds...) Quoth Schiff: "It really is difficult to explain in words what he did when he conducted. Perhaps we get closest to the truth if I say that somehow he drew, he painted the music into the air." --This is exactly the kind of writing about performance that some people hate; I love it.

SE.
Andy Evans
2021-04-11 16:53:33 UTC
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For some reason I can't get into Schubert's symphonies much. I'm pretty addicted to Winterreise and his piano music, though.
Johannes Roehl
2021-04-12 09:56:57 UTC
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Post by Andy Evans
For some reason I can't get into Schubert's symphonies much. I'm pretty addicted to Winterreise and his piano music, though.
There is only one really mature complete symphony, the great C major and it can be an acquired taste. I occasionally enjoy the early symphonies (and the b minor is great despite being a fragment) but I am also a bit surprised how many complete recordings of the early symphonies are out there. (I think his two greatest instrumental pieces are the string quintet and the G major quartet, followed by the other late chamber pieces, piano (inc. 4 hand) and also the Great C major symph) The hidden treasures are dozens of hardly known lieder outside the large cycles and handful of famous numbers (like Erlkönig) and also some choral pieces (although these are ranging from the fairly trite Gebrauchsmusik pieces to sublime things like "Gesang der Geister ueber den Wassern").
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