Discussion:
The 10 Most Overated Musicians of the 20th Century
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ansermetniac
2005-04-09 17:30:10 UTC
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In alphabetical order

Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Gould Glen
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce

Your list????


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MIFrost
2005-04-09 17:35:27 UTC
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These are just people whose music you don't personally care for. Right?
And Phil Spector isn't a "musician." Is he?

MIFrost
Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Gould Glen
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce
Your list????
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ansermetniac
2005-04-09 17:56:31 UTC
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Post by MIFrost
These are just people whose music you don't personally care for. Right?
And Phil Spector isn't a "musician." Is he?
No , it is a list of those who I feel are overated.

Abbedd
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MIFrost
Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Gould Glen
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce
Your list????
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Brian Cantin
2005-04-10 02:23:52 UTC
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Post by MIFrost
These are just people whose music you don't personally care
for. Right? And Phil Spector isn't a "musician." Is he?
Phil Spector played the guitar solo on the song Drifters' hit "On
Broadway". That may not make him a musician, but it certainly makes
him a "musician".
Michael Lehrman
2005-04-09 18:04:34 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Gould Glen
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce
Who are those people?!
ML
Matthew B. Tepper
2005-04-09 19:37:17 UTC
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Post by Michael Lehrman
Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Gould Glen
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce
Who are those people?!
ML
A bunch of Hungarians?
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Aaron Z Snyder
2005-04-10 15:21:46 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by Michael Lehrman
Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Gould Glen
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce
Who are those people?!
ML
A bunch of Hungarians?
All except for (apparently) Paul Whiteman.

Aarf!
David Hurwitz
2005-04-09 18:16:21 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet

...but only by Ansermetniac, who thinks that such comparisons really mean
something.

David Hurwitz
ansermetniac
2005-04-09 19:08:13 UTC
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Post by David Hurwitz
Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
...but only by Ansermetniac, who thinks that such comparisons really mean
something.
David Hurwitz
Once again Hurwitz shows he has nothing intelligent to say.

Can I assume you think NO ONE is overated

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Matthew B. Tepper
2005-04-09 19:37:17 UTC
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Can I assume you think NO ONE is overated
There are some people I regard as overrated, simply on the grounds that they
are thought to be musicians.
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ansermetniac
2005-04-09 19:49:43 UTC
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:37:17 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by ansermetniac
Can I assume you think NO ONE is overated
There are some people I regard as overrated, simply on the grounds that they
are thought to be musicians.
Although I disagree with your including Elvis and the pedophile I
totally agree with the above statement


Somebody posted Ms.Church singing some things from WSS. I can't
believe they wasted the effort to record her.. And what is more
astounding is that it probably sold well

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Matthew B. Tepper
2005-04-09 20:45:24 UTC
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Can I assume you think NO ONE is overated
There are some people I regard as overrated, simply on the grounds that
they are thought to be musicians.
Although I disagree with your including Elvis and the pedophile I
totally agree with the above statement
Somebody posted Ms.Church singing some things from WSS. I can't
believe they wasted the effort to record her.. And what is more
astounding is that it probably sold well
Not so much as astounding as depressing; so many people are sheep who go
along with what PR people tell them to do, and Sony had a massive campaign
to pushpushpush the moppet in everybody's face.

As I predicted here in Usenet nearly six (!) years ago, she has now been
discarded like a wet rag.
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David Hurwitz
2005-04-09 20:30:24 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
Once again Hurwitz shows he has nothing intelligent to say.
Unlike the subject of this thread and your own stupid list, for example.
Post by ansermetniac
Can I assume you think NO ONE is overated
Abbedd
You are, certainly in your own mind. I doubt anyone else thinks that you rate at
all.

David Hurwitz
Spam Scone
2005-04-10 13:31:29 UTC
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Post by David Hurwitz
Post by ansermetniac
Once again Hurwitz shows he has nothing intelligent to say.
Unlike the subject of this thread and your own stupid list, for example.
Post by ansermetniac
Can I assume you think NO ONE is overated
Abbedd
You are, certainly in your own mind. I doubt anyone else thinks that you rate at
all.
David Hurwitz
Hi David,

This was a nice response, but I liked your "Ken B. Lane of wind
instruments" remark better.
a***@att.net
2005-04-09 22:48:16 UTC
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Post by David Hurwitz
Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
Ernest Ansermet
...but only by Ansermetniac, who thinks that such comparisons really mean
something.
David Hurwitz
and Moravec (pianist)x10.

AB
Dick Sexton
2005-04-09 19:21:50 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Karajan Herbert von (classical's Sinatra)
Marley Bob (a dozen good tunes don't make a god)
Post by ansermetniac
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce
Zappa Frank (he's okay, but his fans drive me crazy)
Post by ansermetniac
Your list????
Yours (as amended) works for me. Now, what are your 10 Most Overrated Apple
and Orange Varieties?

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Matthew B. Tepper
2005-04-09 19:37:17 UTC
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Your list????
Cobain Kurt
Jackson Michael
Presley Elvis

Make up the rest of the list with any seven selected from a list of all rap
performers, mockera singers, inept instrumentalists overpublicized because
they wear skimpy clothing or had movies made about them, etc.
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Victor Martell
2005-04-10 04:31:37 UTC
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Cobain Kurt
Jackson Michael
Presley Elvis
This is a list that I can agree with... Have to keep in mind... overrated
doesn't mean bad; people tend to confuse the two terms... it simply means
(or, at least I understand it that way) "not as great as people say"...

From the pop world I would certainly add Sinatra, early Beatles, and U2.
From the classical world... hard to say; I used to think Szell and Mehta
were overrated, but lately I think I got Szell (and became something of a
fanatic... Rainer too) and I am warming up to Mehta... with that in mind, in
no particular order, mixing performers and composers:

Toscanini
Abbado
Webern
Copland
Gershwin
Glen Gould
John Williams (the film composer)

remember, not bad, just not as good as they say...

V
Dan Koren
2005-04-09 19:53:04 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
Your list????
Pronto:

Karlheinz Stockhausen
Krsysztof Penderecki
Dmitri Shostakovich
Galina Ustvolskaya
Witold Lutoslawski
Arnold Schoenberg
Aram Khachaturian
Hans Werner Henze
Charles Wuorinen
Alfred Schnittke
Nadia Boulanger
Igor Stravinsky
Iannis Xenakis
Gyorgy Kurtag
Pierre Boulez
George Enescu
Bruno Maderna
Aaron Copland
Hans Pfitzner
Zoltan Kodaly
Charles Ives
Bela Bartok
Luigi Nono
Arvo Paart
Carl Orff
John Cage


Wilhelm Furtwaengler
Hans Knappertsbusch
Herbert von Karajan
Serge Koussevitzky
Giuseppe Sinopoli
Arturo Toscanini
Bernard Haitink
Claudio Abbado
Carlos Kleiber
Erich Kleiber
Pierre Boulez
Ricardo Muti
Bruno Walter
Eugen Jochum
George Szell
Andre Previn
James Levine
Simon Rattle
Georg Solti
Karl Bohm


Nikolaus Harnoncourt
Philippe Herreweghe
John Eliot Gardiner
Christopher Hogwood
Roger Norrington
Neville Marriner
Trevor Pinnock
Frans Bruggen


Dinu Lipatti (aka Constipatti)
Clara Haskil (aka Santa Clara)
Claudio Arrau (aka Guanito)
Alexander Brailowsky
Benno Moisseiwitsch
Krystian Zimmermann
Marc-Andre Hamelin
Vladimir Horowitz
Paul Badura-Skoda
Robert Casadesus
Wilhelm Backhaus
Walter Gieseking
Maurizio Pollini
Maria Joao Pires
Martha Argerich
Alfred Brendel
Wilhelm Kempff
Willian Kapell
Ignaz Friedman
Murray Perahia
Mitsuko Uchida
Helene Grimaud
Josef Hofmann
Edwin Fischer
Rudolf Serkin
Evgeny Kissin
Alfred Cortot
Richard Goode
Emmanuel Ax
Jorg Demus
Elly Ney
Yves Nat
Solomon


Arthur Grumiaux
Yehudi Menuhim
Rudolf Barshai
George Enescu
Pablo Casals
Isaac Stern
Fritz Busch
Yo-Yo Ma


However, I think discussing the under-rateds
would be a lot more valuable and educational.



dk
ansermetniac
2005-04-09 19:59:20 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
Post by ansermetniac
Your list????
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Krsysztof Penderecki
Dmitri Shostakovich
Galina Ustvolskaya
Witold Lutoslawski
Arnold Schoenberg
Aram Khachaturian
Hans Werner Henze
Charles Wuorinen
Alfred Schnittke
Nadia Boulanger
Igor Stravinsky
Iannis Xenakis
Gyorgy Kurtag
Pierre Boulez
George Enescu
Bruno Maderna
Aaron Copland
Hans Pfitzner
Zoltan Kodaly
Charles Ives
Bela Bartok
Luigi Nono
Arvo Paart
Carl Orff
John Cage
Wilhelm Furtwaengler
Hans Knappertsbusch
Herbert von Karajan
Serge Koussevitzky
Giuseppe Sinopoli
Arturo Toscanini
Bernard Haitink
Claudio Abbado
Carlos Kleiber
Erich Kleiber
Pierre Boulez
Ricardo Muti
Bruno Walter
Eugen Jochum
George Szell
Andre Previn
James Levine
Simon Rattle
Georg Solti
Karl Bohm
Nikolaus Harnoncourt
Philippe Herreweghe
John Eliot Gardiner
Christopher Hogwood
Roger Norrington
Neville Marriner
Trevor Pinnock
Frans Bruggen
Dinu Lipatti (aka Constipatti)
Clara Haskil (aka Santa Clara)
Claudio Arrau (aka Guanito)
Alexander Brailowsky
Benno Moisseiwitsch
Krystian Zimmermann
Marc-Andre Hamelin
Vladimir Horowitz
Paul Badura-Skoda
Robert Casadesus
Wilhelm Backhaus
Walter Gieseking
Maurizio Pollini
Maria Joao Pires
Martha Argerich
Alfred Brendel
Wilhelm Kempff
Willian Kapell
Ignaz Friedman
Murray Perahia
Mitsuko Uchida
Helene Grimaud
Josef Hofmann
Edwin Fischer
Rudolf Serkin
Evgeny Kissin
Alfred Cortot
Richard Goode
Emmanuel Ax
Jorg Demus
Elly Ney
Yves Nat
Solomon
Arthur Grumiaux
Yehudi Menuhim
Rudolf Barshai
George Enescu
Pablo Casals
Isaac Stern
Fritz Busch
Yo-Yo Ma
However, I think discussing the under-rateds
would be a lot more valuable and educational.
dk
Dan

That takes care of almost everbody. So who do you like?

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Dan Koren
2005-04-09 20:42:47 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
Post by ansermetniac
Your list????
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Krsysztof Penderecki
Dmitri Shostakovich
Galina Ustvolskaya
Witold Lutoslawski
Arnold Schoenberg
Aram Khachaturian
Hans Werner Henze
Charles Wuorinen
Alfred Schnittke
Nadia Boulanger
Igor Stravinsky
Iannis Xenakis
Gyorgy Kurtag
Pierre Boulez
George Enescu
Bruno Maderna
Aaron Copland
Hans Pfitzner
Zoltan Kodaly
Charles Ives
Bela Bartok
Luigi Nono
Arvo Paart
Carl Orff
John Cage
Wilhelm Furtwaengler
Hans Knappertsbusch
Herbert von Karajan
Serge Koussevitzky
Giuseppe Sinopoli
Arturo Toscanini
Bernard Haitink
Claudio Abbado
Carlos Kleiber
Erich Kleiber
Pierre Boulez
Ricardo Muti
Bruno Walter
Eugen Jochum
George Szell
Andre Previn
James Levine
Simon Rattle
Georg Solti
Karl Bohm
Nikolaus Harnoncourt
Philippe Herreweghe
John Eliot Gardiner
Christopher Hogwood
Roger Norrington
Neville Marriner
Trevor Pinnock
Frans Bruggen
Dinu Lipatti (aka Constipatti)
Clara Haskil (aka Santa Clara)
Claudio Arrau (aka Guanito)
Alexander Brailowsky
Benno Moisseiwitsch
Krystian Zimmermann
Marc-Andre Hamelin
Vladimir Horowitz
Paul Badura-Skoda
Robert Casadesus
Wilhelm Backhaus
Walter Gieseking
Maurizio Pollini
Maria Joao Pires
Martha Argerich
Alfred Brendel
Wilhelm Kempff
Willian Kapell
Ignaz Friedman
Murray Perahia
Mitsuko Uchida
Helene Grimaud
Josef Hofmann
Edwin Fischer
Rudolf Serkin
Evgeny Kissin
Alfred Cortot
Richard Goode
Emmanuel Ax
Jorg Demus
Elly Ney
Yves Nat
Solomon
Arthur Grumiaux
Yehudi Menuhim
Rudolf Barshai
George Enescu
Pablo Casals
Isaac Stern
Fritz Busch
Yo-Yo Ma
However, I think discussing the under-rateds
would be a lot more valuable and educational.
Dan
That takes care of almost everybody.
?!?!?

Have you run out of fingers to count on?
So who do you like?
I'm sure you can search the DejaNews archive
faster than I can type.

Mey I respectfully remind you that you asked
about "overrated/righlyrated/underrated" (by
implication) and not about "like/dislike"?

One may very well like artists who are over-
rated while at the same time dislike artists
who are rightlyrated or underrated. Are you
familiar with the concept of orthogonality?



dk

PS. Add James Galway and Jean-Pierre Rampal.
John Gavin
2005-04-11 12:41:47 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
Post by Dan Koren
Post by ansermetniac
Your list????
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Krsysztof Penderecki
Dmitri Shostakovich
Galina Ustvolskaya
Witold Lutoslawski
Arnold Schoenberg
Aram Khachaturian
Hans Werner Henze
Charles Wuorinen
Alfred Schnittke
Nadia Boulanger
Igor Stravinsky
Iannis Xenakis
Gyorgy Kurtag
Pierre Boulez
George Enescu
Bruno Maderna
Aaron Copland
Hans Pfitzner
Zoltan Kodaly
Charles Ives
Bela Bartok
Luigi Nono
Arvo Paart
Carl Orff
John Cage
Wilhelm Furtwaengler
Hans Knappertsbusch
Herbert von Karajan
Serge Koussevitzky
Giuseppe Sinopoli
Arturo Toscanini
Bernard Haitink
Claudio Abbado
Carlos Kleiber
Erich Kleiber
Pierre Boulez
Ricardo Muti
Bruno Walter
Eugen Jochum
George Szell
Andre Previn
James Levine
Simon Rattle
Georg Solti
Karl Bohm
Nikolaus Harnoncourt
Philippe Herreweghe
John Eliot Gardiner
Christopher Hogwood
Roger Norrington
Neville Marriner
Trevor Pinnock
Frans Bruggen
Dinu Lipatti (aka Constipatti)
Clara Haskil (aka Santa Clara)
Claudio Arrau (aka Guanito)
Alexander Brailowsky
Benno Moisseiwitsch
Krystian Zimmermann
Marc-Andre Hamelin
Vladimir Horowitz
Paul Badura-Skoda
Robert Casadesus
Wilhelm Backhaus
Walter Gieseking
Maurizio Pollini
Maria Joao Pires
Martha Argerich
Alfred Brendel
Wilhelm Kempff
Willian Kapell
Ignaz Friedman
Murray Perahia
Mitsuko Uchida
Helene Grimaud
Josef Hofmann
Edwin Fischer
Rudolf Serkin
Evgeny Kissin
Alfred Cortot
Richard Goode
Emmanuel Ax
Jorg Demus
Elly Ney
Yves Nat
Solomon
Arthur Grumiaux
Yehudi Menuhim
Rudolf Barshai
George Enescu
Pablo Casals
Isaac Stern
Fritz Busch
Yo-Yo Ma
However, I think discussing the under-rateds
would be a lot more valuable and educational.
Dan
That takes care of almost everybody.
?!?!?
Have you run out of fingers to count on?
So who do you like?
I'm sure you can search the DejaNews archive
faster than I can type.
Mey I respectfully remind you that you asked
about "overrated/righlyrated/underrated" (by
implication) and not about "like/dislike"?
One may very well like artists who are over-
rated while at the same time dislike artists
who are rightlyrated or underrated. Are you
familiar with the concept of orthogonality?
dk
Well, the above sounds very high-minded - but if one looks back into
the rmcr archives, you will find posts where you berate many if not
most of the musicians on your list. Nice try though :)
Matthew B. Tepper
2005-04-09 20:45:31 UTC
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ansermetniac <***@hotmail.com> appears to have caused the
following letters to be typed in news:6vcg51190vni7b0pt6gt5to6gcr2ha4q5r@
4ax.com:

[snip quoted post by DK, listing dozens and dozens of great musicians whose
shoes he is not fit to shine]
Post by ansermetniac
That takes care of almost everbody. So who do you like?
Naida Cole, preferably with her panties around her ankles.
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Dan Koren
2005-04-09 21:51:04 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
[snip quoted post by DK, listing dozens and dozens of
great musicians whose shoes he is not fit to shine]
I never learned that trade.
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by ansermetniac
That takes care of almost everbody. So who do you like?
Naida Cole, preferably with her panties around her ankles.
Projecting as usual your very own thoughts on the matter.



dk
a***@att.net
2005-04-09 23:02:27 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
[snip quoted post by DK, listing dozens and dozens of great musicians whose
shoes he is not fit to shine]
or hundreds of musicians whose behinds he is not fit to wipe....

AB
hardman@sciences.sdsu.edu
2005-04-10 10:42:31 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
[snip quoted post by DK, listing dozens and dozens of great musicians
whose
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
shoes he is not fit to shine]
or hundreds of musicians whose behinds he is not fit to wipe....
----
what has that to do with their being over-rated?
Dan Koren
2005-04-10 18:07:17 UTC
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Post by a***@att.net
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
[snip quoted post by DK, listing dozens and dozens of great musicians
whose
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
shoes he is not fit to shine]
or hundreds of musicians whose behinds he is not fit to wipe....
----
what has that to do with their being over-rated?
As usual on these shores, the discussion has
turned into ad hominem attacks. Most writers
on this newsgroup do not seem to be able to
make the distinction between the topic under
discussion and the identities of the writers.

With very few exceptions, most of the rmcr
contributors take any comment that is ever
so slightly negative about any artist who
has ever been recorded as a personal attack.

Folks, you all need serious doses of valium.



dk
Tom Deacon
2005-04-10 19:37:51 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
As usual on these shores, the discussion has
turned into ad hominem attacks. Most writers
on this newsgroup do not seem to be able to
make the distinction between the topic under
discussion and the identities of the writers.
With very few exceptions, most of the rmcr
contributors take any comment that is ever
so slightly negative about any artist who
has ever been recorded as a personal attack.
Folks, you all need serious doses of valium.
That medicine will simply not work.

It is just far too mild.

I would rather suggest some form of stomach pump followed immediately by an
enema.

After that, perhaps a total lobotomy.

Oh, and don't forget to pull all their teeth as well.

Toothless, brainless, shitless, starving. That should do the trick.

To hell with valium.

TD
Dan Koren
2005-04-10 21:11:02 UTC
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Post by Tom Deacon
Post by Dan Koren
As usual on these shores, the discussion has
turned into ad hominem attacks. Most writers
on this newsgroup do not seem to be able to
make the distinction between the topic under
discussion and the identities of the writers.
With very few exceptions, most of the rmcr
contributors take any comment that is ever
so slightly negative about any artist who
has ever been recorded as a personal attack.
Folks, you all need serious doses of valium.
That medicine will simply not work.
It is just far too mild.
I would rather suggest some form of
stomach pump followed immediately
by an enema.
After that, perhaps a total lobotomy.
Oh, and don't forget to pull all their
teeth as well.
Toothless, brainless, shitless, starving.
That should do the trick.
To hell with valium.
Sounds like a prescription
from Dr. Torquemada.



dk
Tom Deacon
2005-04-10 21:34:55 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
Post by Tom Deacon
Post by Dan Koren
As usual on these shores, the discussion has
turned into ad hominem attacks. Most writers
on this newsgroup do not seem to be able to
make the distinction between the topic under
discussion and the identities of the writers.
With very few exceptions, most of the rmcr
contributors take any comment that is ever
so slightly negative about any artist who
has ever been recorded as a personal attack.
Folks, you all need serious doses of valium.
That medicine will simply not work.
It is just far too mild.
I would rather suggest some form of
stomach pump followed immediately
by an enema.
After that, perhaps a total lobotomy.
Oh, and don't forget to pull all their
teeth as well.
Toothless, brainless, shitless, starving.
That should do the trick.
To hell with valium.
Sounds like a prescription
from Dr. Torquemada.
Well, perhaps. But if you think a little valium pill is going to cure the
ills that afflict a large number of members of this forum, I think you've
been taking too much valium yourself.

Of course, nothing will really prevent the inherently vicious, nasty,
mean-spirited in the group from spewing their loathsome thoughts here. Even
prayer hasn't helped them so far as I can see. Hell, even the death of the
Pope only served to bring out more bile. Any idea, any opinion is seen
simply as a means of chucking more shit onto the pile.

But I think my method will put an end to most of them.

TD
Dan Koren
2005-04-10 22:19:48 UTC
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Post by Tom Deacon
Post by Dan Koren
Post by Tom Deacon
Post by Dan Koren
As usual on these shores, the discussion has
turned into ad hominem attacks. Most writers
on this newsgroup do not seem to be able to
make the distinction between the topic under
discussion and the identities of the writers.
With very few exceptions, most of the rmcr
contributors take any comment that is ever
so slightly negative about any artist who
has ever been recorded as a personal attack.
Folks, you all need serious doses of valium.
That medicine will simply not work.
It is just far too mild.
I would rather suggest some form of
stomach pump followed immediately
by an enema.
After that, perhaps a total lobotomy.
Oh, and don't forget to pull all their
teeth as well.
Toothless, brainless, shitless, starving.
That should do the trick.
To hell with valium.
Sounds like a prescription
from Dr. Torquemada.
Well, perhaps. But if you think a little
valium pill is going to cure the ills that
afflict a large number of members of this
forum, I think you've been taking too much
valium yourself.
a) None at all. I belong to the select group
of people on whom valium has the opposite
effect! ;-)

b) It was intended as a metaphor, not as an
actual Rx (this seems to have been lost
on you as you are an extreme literalist).

c) Obviously those interested in exploring
such passtimes can take more pills than
one.
Post by Tom Deacon
Of course, nothing will really prevent the
inherently vicious, nasty, mean-spirited in
the group from spewing their loathsome thoughts
here. Even prayer hasn't helped them so far as
I can see.
Has prayer ever helped anyone? Just curious...
Post by Tom Deacon
Hell, even the death of the Pope only served to
bring out more bile. Any idea, any opinion is seen
simply as a means of chucking more shit onto the pile.
You have been one of the most prolific contributors.
Post by Tom Deacon
But I think my method will put an end to most of them.
But then, what would you do about yourself?



dk
Tom Deacon
2005-04-11 13:22:45 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
You have been one of the most prolific contributors.
Post by Tom Deacon
But I think my method will put an end to most of them.
But then, what would you do about yourself?
As you have said yourself, Koren, people here just leap to make personal
insults.

Join the gang, I suppose, is your motto.

TD
a***@att.net
2005-04-11 01:03:45 UTC
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Post by Tom Deacon
That medicine will simply not work.
It is just far too mild.
I would rather suggest some form of stomach pump followed immediately by an
enema.
After that, perhaps a total lobotomy.
Oh, and don't forget to pull all their teeth as well.
Toothless, brainless, shitless, starving. That should do the trick.
To hell with valium.
TD
TD is a perfect example as to why the Canadian medical system is
broken.... in the US he would have been judged insane and shipped out
to Canada:-)

AB
a***@att.net
2005-04-11 00:01:11 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
With very few exceptions, most of the rmcr
contributors take any comment that is ever
so slightly negative about any artist who
has ever been recorded as a personal attack.
Folks, you all need serious doses of valium.
dk

speaking as a former pharmacist, your knowledge of medicine is as
outdated as your musical pronouncements. Valium has not been used for
the purpose you suggest for decades.

AB
Matthew B. Tepper
2005-04-10 17:17:33 UTC
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Post by a***@att.net
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
[snip quoted post by DK, listing dozens and dozens of great musicians
whose shoes he is not fit to shine]
or hundreds of musicians whose behinds he is not fit to wipe....
I had considered saying something like that, but it would have distracted
from the vulgarism that I did employ later in my post.
--
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My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
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To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Take THAT, Daniel Lin, Mark Sadek, James Lin & Christopher Chung!
Dan Koren
2005-04-10 18:01:13 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by a***@att.net
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
[snip quoted post by DK, listing dozens and dozens of great musicians
whose shoes he is not fit to shine]
or hundreds of musicians whose behinds he is not fit to wipe....
I had considered saying something like that, but it would have
distracted from the vulgarism that I did employ later in my post.
Yet another illiterate who cannot make the distinction
between "overrated/underrated" and "like/dislike".


dk
Tom Deacon
2005-04-09 22:11:05 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
Post by ansermetniac
Your list????
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Krsysztof Penderecki
Dmitri Shostakovich
Galina Ustvolskaya
Witold Lutoslawski
Arnold Schoenberg
Aram Khachaturian
Hans Werner Henze
Charles Wuorinen
Alfred Schnittke
Nadia Boulanger
Igor Stravinsky
Iannis Xenakis
Gyorgy Kurtag
Pierre Boulez
George Enescu
Bruno Maderna
Aaron Copland
Hans Pfitzner
Zoltan Kodaly
Charles Ives
Bela Bartok
Luigi Nono
Arvo Paart
Carl Orff
John Cage
Wilhelm Furtwaengler
Hans Knappertsbusch
Herbert von Karajan
Serge Koussevitzky
Giuseppe Sinopoli
Arturo Toscanini
Bernard Haitink
Claudio Abbado
Carlos Kleiber
Erich Kleiber
Pierre Boulez
Ricardo Muti
Bruno Walter
Eugen Jochum
George Szell
Andre Previn
James Levine
Simon Rattle
Georg Solti
Karl Bohm
Nikolaus Harnoncourt
Philippe Herreweghe
John Eliot Gardiner
Christopher Hogwood
Roger Norrington
Neville Marriner
Trevor Pinnock
Frans Bruggen
Dinu Lipatti (aka Constipatti)
Clara Haskil (aka Santa Clara)
Claudio Arrau (aka Guanito)
Alexander Brailowsky
Benno Moisseiwitsch
Krystian Zimmermann
Marc-Andre Hamelin
Vladimir Horowitz
Paul Badura-Skoda
Robert Casadesus
Wilhelm Backhaus
Walter Gieseking
Maurizio Pollini
Maria Joao Pires
Martha Argerich
Alfred Brendel
Wilhelm Kempff
Willian Kapell
Ignaz Friedman
Murray Perahia
Mitsuko Uchida
Helene Grimaud
Josef Hofmann
Edwin Fischer
Rudolf Serkin
Evgeny Kissin
Alfred Cortot
Richard Goode
Emmanuel Ax
Jorg Demus
Elly Ney
Yves Nat
Solomon
Arthur Grumiaux
Yehudi Menuhim
Rudolf Barshai
George Enescu
Pablo Casals
Isaac Stern
Fritz Busch
Yo-Yo Ma
However, I think discussing the under-rateds
would be a lot more valuable and educational.
Not at all.

What is REALLY interesting is those who are both underrated AND overrated.

That way we can see how stupid the people are who make the ratings.

You have shown your stupidity.

Some of us are smart enough not to show everyone theirs.

Back to your cage, Koren.

TD
a***@att.net
2005-04-09 22:57:52 UTC
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I find it amazing that anybody would go to the trouble of writing such
a list, (even if he is kidding about some on the list)

AB
Post by Dan Koren
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Krsysztof Penderecki
Dmitri Shostakovich
Galina Ustvolskaya
Witold Lutoslawski
Arnold Schoenberg
Aram Khachaturian
Hans Werner Henze
Charles Wuorinen
Alfred Schnittke
Nadia Boulanger
Igor Stravinsky
Iannis Xenakis
Gyorgy Kurtag
Pierre Boulez
George Enescu
Bruno Maderna
Aaron Copland
Hans Pfitzner
Zoltan Kodaly
Charles Ives
Bela Bartok
Luigi Nono
Arvo Paart
Carl Orff
John Cage
Wilhelm Furtwaengler
Hans Knappertsbusch
Herbert von Karajan
Serge Koussevitzky
Giuseppe Sinopoli
Arturo Toscanini
Bernard Haitink
Claudio Abbado
Carlos Kleiber
Erich Kleiber
Pierre Boulez
Ricardo Muti
Bruno Walter
Eugen Jochum
George Szell
Andre Previn
James Levine
Simon Rattle
Georg Solti
Karl Bohm
Nikolaus Harnoncourt
Philippe Herreweghe
John Eliot Gardiner
Christopher Hogwood
Roger Norrington
Neville Marriner
Trevor Pinnock
Frans Bruggen
Dinu Lipatti (aka Constipatti)
Clara Haskil (aka Santa Clara)
Claudio Arrau (aka Guanito)
Alexander Brailowsky
Benno Moisseiwitsch
Krystian Zimmermann
Marc-Andre Hamelin
Vladimir Horowitz
Paul Badura-Skoda
Robert Casadesus
Wilhelm Backhaus
Walter Gieseking
Maurizio Pollini
Maria Joao Pires
Martha Argerich
Alfred Brendel
Wilhelm Kempff
Willian Kapell
Ignaz Friedman
Murray Perahia
Mitsuko Uchida
Helene Grimaud
Josef Hofmann
Edwin Fischer
Rudolf Serkin
Evgeny Kissin
Alfred Cortot
Richard Goode
Emmanuel Ax
Jorg Demus
Elly Ney
Yves Nat
Solomon
Arthur Grumiaux
Yehudi Menuhim
Rudolf Barshai
George Enescu
Pablo Casals
Isaac Stern
Fritz Busch
Yo-Yo Ma
However, I think discussing the under-rateds
would be a lot more valuable and educational.
dk
William Sommerwerck
2005-04-09 23:38:40 UTC
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Post by a***@att.net
I find it amazing that anybody would go to the trouble of writing
such a list, (even if he is kidding about some on the list)
I don't know who assembled it (though I can guess), and I don't care. Either the
author is kidding, or he has a pathological distaste of everything that's
outside his incredibly narrow range of "likes." I mean, we're talking "parochial
to the fifth power."

Khachaturian could hardly be considered "overrated," because no one (except
possibly Stalin) ever took him seriously. But to include great artists like Jorg
Demus is nuts.
x***@hotmail.com
2005-04-10 06:39:50 UTC
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Post by William Sommerwerck
Khachaturian could hardly be considered "overrated," because no one (except
possibly Stalin) ever took him seriously.
If TRULY so - which I doubt - Stalin and I. (Didn't think I'll ever
write that phrase.)
Post by William Sommerwerck
But to include great artists like Jorg Demus is nuts.
To think a good pianist like Jorg Demus is a "great artist" compared to
an enduring composer, even Khachaturian, it's nuts indeed.

To take issue primarily with Jorg Demus, out of DK's hilariously insane
list (compiled entirely as in "everybody DK dislikes IS overrated) is
even more nuts.

I'll (mercifully) abstain from oferring my own list.

DK! ANSERTMANIAC AND ARRI BACHRACH ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON!!!!! (Thank
God for small favours.)

regards,
SG
Dan Koren
2005-04-10 08:38:53 UTC
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Post by William Sommerwerck
Post by William Sommerwerck
Khachaturian could hardly be considered "overrated," because no one
(except
Post by William Sommerwerck
possibly Stalin) ever took him seriously.
If TRULY so - which I doubt - Stalin and I. (Didn't think I'll ever
write that phrase.)
Post by William Sommerwerck
But to include great artists like Jorg Demus is nuts.
To think a good pianist like Jorg Demus is a "great artist" compared to
an enduring composer, even Khachaturian, it's nuts indeed.
To take issue primarily with Jorg Demus, out of DK's hilariously insane
list (compiled entirely as in "everybody DK dislikes IS overrated) is
even more nuts.
You completely missed my point.

Overrated/underrated have nothing to do with like/dislike.



dk
a***@att.net
2005-04-10 16:41:36 UTC
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Post by x***@hotmail.com
I'll (mercifully) abstain from oferring my own list.
DK! ANSERTMANIAC AND ARRI BACHRACH ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON!!!!! (Thank
God for small favours.)
regards,
SG
where is it implied that we are the same person........( we are not all
American Steinways with the same personaltiy, etc.) :-)

AB
hardman@sciences.sdsu.edu
2005-04-10 10:45:20 UTC
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don't know who assembled it (though I can guess), and I don't care.
Either the
author is kidding, or he has a pathological distaste of everything
that's
outside his incredibly narrow range of "likes." I mean, we're talking
"parochial
to the fifth power."

Khachaturian could hardly be considered "overrated," because no one
(except
possibly Stalin) ever took him seriously. But to include great artists
like Jorg
Demus is nuts.
--------------
you think if someone's any good, it's impossible to overrate them? and
who said anything about 'likes'?
a***@att.net
2005-04-10 16:38:55 UTC
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Post by William Sommerwerck
Post by a***@att.net
I find it amazing that anybody would go to the trouble of writing
such a list, (even if he is kidding about some on the list)
I don't know who assembled it (though I can guess), and I don't care. Either the
author is kidding, or he has a pathological distaste of everything that's
outside his incredibly narrow range of "likes." I mean, we're talking "parochial
to the fifth power."
excellent...... you describe dk's personality perfectly.

AB
Dan Koren
2005-04-09 23:43:35 UTC
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a) You asked for it.

b) I am not kidding.

c) Remember that you asked about "overrated", not
about good or bad. Things can be very good and
still overrated, or very bad and still underrated.



dk
Post by a***@att.net
I find it amazing that anybody would go to the trouble of writing
such a list, (even if he is kidding about some on the list)
Post by Dan Koren
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Krsysztof Penderecki
Dmitri Shostakovich
Galina Ustvolskaya
Witold Lutoslawski
Arnold Schoenberg
Aram Khachaturian
Hans Werner Henze
Charles Wuorinen
Alfred Schnittke
Nadia Boulanger
Igor Stravinsky
Iannis Xenakis
Gyorgy Kurtag
Pierre Boulez
George Enescu
Bruno Maderna
Aaron Copland
Hans Pfitzner
Zoltan Kodaly
Charles Ives
Bela Bartok
Luigi Nono
Arvo Paart
Carl Orff
John Cage
Wilhelm Furtwaengler
Hans Knappertsbusch
Herbert von Karajan
Serge Koussevitzky
Giuseppe Sinopoli
Arturo Toscanini
Bernard Haitink
Claudio Abbado
Carlos Kleiber
Erich Kleiber
Pierre Boulez
Ricardo Muti
Bruno Walter
Eugen Jochum
George Szell
Andre Previn
James Levine
Simon Rattle
Georg Solti
Karl Bohm
Nikolaus Harnoncourt
Philippe Herreweghe
John Eliot Gardiner
Christopher Hogwood
Roger Norrington
Neville Marriner
Trevor Pinnock
Frans Bruggen
Dinu Lipatti (aka Constipatti)
Clara Haskil (aka Santa Clara)
Claudio Arrau (aka Guanito)
Alexander Brailowsky
Benno Moisseiwitsch
Krystian Zimmermann
Marc-Andre Hamelin
Vladimir Horowitz
Paul Badura-Skoda
Robert Casadesus
Wilhelm Backhaus
Walter Gieseking
Maurizio Pollini
Maria Joao Pires
Martha Argerich
Alfred Brendel
Wilhelm Kempff
Willian Kapell
Ignaz Friedman
Murray Perahia
Mitsuko Uchida
Helene Grimaud
Josef Hofmann
Edwin Fischer
Rudolf Serkin
Evgeny Kissin
Alfred Cortot
Richard Goode
Emmanuel Ax
Jorg Demus
Elly Ney
Yves Nat
Solomon
Arthur Grumiaux
Yehudi Menuhim
Rudolf Barshai
George Enescu
Pablo Casals
Isaac Stern
Fritz Busch
Yo-Yo Ma
However, I think discussing the under-rateds
would be a lot more valuable and educational.
dk
Tom Deacon
2005-04-10 01:50:15 UTC
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On 4/9/05 6:57 PM, in article
Post by a***@att.net
I find it amazing that anybody would go to the trouble of writing such
a list, (even if he is kidding about some on the list)
As usual, Arri, the point has sailed right over your head.

He is NOT kidding about the names on the list.

C'est a mourrir de rire!

TD
Dan Koren
2005-04-10 05:50:20 UTC
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Post by Tom Deacon
On 4/9/05 6:57 PM, in article
Post by a***@att.net
I find it amazing that anybody would go to the trouble of writing such
a list, (even if he is kidding about some on the list)
As usual, Arri, the point has sailed right over your head.
He is NOT kidding about the names on the list.
C'est a mourrir de rire!
C'est a mourrir d'ennui.



dk
Dan Koren
2005-04-10 06:00:03 UTC
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Post by Tom Deacon
On 4/9/05 6:57 PM, in article
Post by a***@att.net
I find it amazing that anybody would go to the trouble of writing such
a list, (even if he is kidding about some on the list)
As usual, Arri, the point has sailed right over your head.
Arri's request is a perfect example of how (even educated)
people can misunderstand and misuse their native language.

He asked about "overrated". In other words, about artists
one believes are thought to be greater or more important
than they really are/were. After I replied to his request,
it became rather clear that he read it as "these folks were
no good".

Something (or someone) can be very good, and still overrated
by some criteria. Saying that Beethoven or Furtwaengler are
over-rated does not mean one was a bad composer or the other
a bad conductor. It simply means that in the opinion of this
writer they were not "the greatest", or as great as they are
considered. Nothing wrong would that. Just like saying that
Rolex watches are over-rated does not mean they're bad watches
-- it simply means they are not the greatest as some people
believe.

Is is fascinating to see how people tend to switch from
relative to absolute at any opportunity.
Post by Tom Deacon
He is NOT kidding about the names on the list.
Indeed not.
Post by Tom Deacon
C'est a mourrir de rire!
See my earlier reply.



dk
a***@att.net
2005-04-10 16:49:39 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
Post by Tom Deacon
Post by a***@att.net
I find it amazing that anybody would go to the trouble of writing such
a list, (even if he is kidding about some on the list)
As usual, Arri, the point has sailed right over your head.
Arri's request is a perfect example of how (even educated)
people can misunderstand and misuse their native language.
He asked about "overrated".
DK, *I* never asked about overrated.....
I am not even educated, let alone over educated. As usual in your
surly manner you misread and misinterpreted my little comment. I only
said that I was amazed that ANYONE, even one as insane as you would
BOTHER to write such a list, waste all the time and energy , etc....
That is all that I meant.....
Hope this is not too complex for your mind to comprehend....
AB




In other words, about artists
Post by Dan Koren
one believes are thought to be greater or more important
than they really are/were. After I replied to his request,
it became rather clear that he read it as "these folks were
no good".
Something (or someone) can be very good, and still overrated
by some criteria. Saying that Beethoven or Furtwaengler are
over-rated does not mean one was a bad composer or the other
a bad conductor. It simply means that in the opinion of this
writer they were not "the greatest", or as great as they are
considered. Nothing wrong would that. Just like saying that
Rolex watches are over-rated does not mean they're bad watches
-- it simply means they are not the greatest as some people
believe.
Is is fascinating to see how people tend to switch from
relative to absolute at any opportunity.
Post by Tom Deacon
He is NOT kidding about the names on the list.
Indeed not.
Post by Tom Deacon
C'est a mourrir de rire!
See my earlier reply.
dk
hardman@sciences.sdsu.edu
2005-04-11 07:00:54 UTC
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Post by a***@att.net
*I* never asked about overrated.....
the whole thread is about that, unless it's about
overeating...Jeffrey"Asshole"Powell can't spell any more than he can
think
a***@att.net
2005-04-10 16:36:37 UTC
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Post by Tom Deacon
Post by a***@att.net
I find it amazing that anybody would go to the trouble of writing such
a list, (even if he is kidding about some on the list)
As usual, Arri, the point has sailed right over your head.
He is NOT kidding about the names on the list.
C'est a mourrir de rire!
TD
well, then this is very clear and undoubtedly true, that he is even
sicker than you.

AB
A. Brain
2005-04-10 23:34:41 UTC
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Here's my list, including mostly classical or pseudo-classical
composers whose music I just don't like, for the most part,
but who are also well-respected in some circles, with a couple
of fine but overrated performers thrown in:

1. Richard Strauss (some extra-musical considerations here)
2. Sergei Rachmaninoff (though I love his choral liturgical works)
3. Aaron Copland (cowboy music)
4. Phillip Glass (mannered and dull)
5. John Adams (even more mannered and dull)
6. Carl Orff (one hit wonder)
7. Stephen Sondheim (an opera composer according to some)
8. Andrew Lloyd-Webber (well, he did write a Requiem)
9. Van Cliburn (underachiever)
10. Carlos Kleiber (underachiever)



Richard Wagner of course heads the 19th century list...
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Santiago de Compostela
2005-04-11 01:30:06 UTC
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Post by A. Brain
Here's my list, including mostly classical or pseudo-classical
composers whose music I just don't like, for the most part,
but who are also well-respected in some circles, with a couple
1. Richard Strauss (some extra-musical considerations here)
2. Sergei Rachmaninoff (though I love his choral liturgical works)
3. Aaron Copland (cowboy music)
4. Phillip Glass (mannered and dull)
5. John Adams (even more mannered and dull)
6. Carl Orff (one hit wonder)
7. Stephen Sondheim (an opera composer according to some)
8. Andrew Lloyd-Webber (well, he did write a Requiem)
9. Van Cliburn (underachiever)
10. Carlos Kleiber (underachiever)
Richard Wagner of course heads the 19th century list...
--
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I suppose it doesn't matter if I mix composers, conductors, and musicians,
both classical and popular, but here goes:

1. Igor Stravinsky (I like S, but I also think there are dozens of 20th c.
composers who were better.)
2. Bob Dylan (with the E*Trade Financial commercials portraying him as the
posterboy "extraordinary" musician, he needs to be on this list!)
3. The Beatles (I'm not going to say they're crap, but there are so many
people regard them as musical geniuses, which they are not.)
4. Pablo Casals (his recordings of the Bach suites are astonishingly bad for
such a celebrated performance. [runner up cellist: Gregor Piatigorsky.])
5. Dame Janet Baker (it seems every recording she made got a rosette in the
Penguin guide. She is good, but not *that* good)
6. Glenn Gould (I don't think there is any question of his technical
skills--it's his interpretations that suck, despite so many people claiming
he had the last word on Bach.)
7. Miles Davis (So much pretentious nonsense! Bitches Brew may have been the
all time best selling jazz album, but I find it unlistenable).
8. S. Kuijken. His (first?) recording of the Bach Sonatas and Partitas got
rave reviews, but he certainly wasn't up to the task of performing them
9.Neville Marriner. (the musical equivalent of milk toast, but his
recordings--Mozart in particular--sure seem to be popular)
10. Charlotte Church . ('nuff said, but could it be that she's had her day
in the sun?)


There are several that A. Brian mentioned I think would be good
choices--notably the minimalists, to which I would add Steve Reich, but it
seems they are all justly reviled by most serious musicians. I suppose Orff
could be added, though I once sang in Carmina Burana, which was lots of fun,
and think that work is *unjustly* reviled. Aaron Copeland, though if he
composed more works like his piano variations, he would be one of the top 10
*underrated* musicians. Conductors: HvK and Toscanini deserve honorable
mention.

Lorin Maazel and Zubin Mehta have been both mentioned in at least one other
list, but I don't know they're highly regarded to begin with. Maazel's
Symphonie Fantastique on Telarc has to be about the most deathly dull
recording I ever heard!
hardman@sciences.sdsu.edu
2005-04-11 07:07:07 UTC
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Post by Santiago de Compostela
3. The Beatles (I'm not going to say they're crap, but there are so many
people regard them as musical geniuses, which they are not.)
DO people regard them as *musical* geniuses? Surely it's a combination
of a number of things, including music.
In the literal sense of genius, as creators of an unrivalled cultural
phenomenon, the word is certainly applicable.
Kimba W. Lion
2005-04-11 11:26:40 UTC
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Post by Santiago de Compostela
Neville Marriner. (the musical equivalent of milk toast, but his
recordings--Mozart in particular--sure seem to be popular)
Hm. I forgot about Marriner. He definitely should have been on my list.
b.a.
2005-04-11 12:04:50 UTC
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My 2 cents:

Lindsay String Quartet (aka "The Lindsays")
Yuri Bashmet (aptly named, I might add)

b.a.
hardman@sciences.sdsu.edu
2005-04-11 07:03:49 UTC
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Post by A. Brain
8. Andrew Lloyd-Webber (well, he did write a Requiem)
Write in the sense of 'copy out'
Thomas Wood
2005-04-11 01:41:06 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
Your list????
[list containing 90% of prominent 20th century musicians deleted]

Where is Toscanini, the most overrated conductor of all time? (Gardiner with
bad sound.....)

And Horowitz, the most overrated pianist?

Tom Wood
Owen Hartnett
2005-04-11 02:21:02 UTC
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I believe I have the definitive list:

1) Liberace
2) Milli Vanilli
3) Jessica Simpson
4) Hanson
5) Ashley Simpson
6) Madonna
7) Spice Girls
8) Andrea Bocelli
9) Kenny G
10) Menudo

-Owen
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2005-04-11 02:53:16 UTC
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Post by Owen Hartnett
1) Liberace
2) Milli Vanilli
3) Jessica Simpson
4) Hanson
5) Ashley Simpson
6) Madonna
7) Spice Girls
8) Andrea Bocelli
9) Kenny G
10) Menudo
I wouldn't argue against the inclusion of any of those names.
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2005-04-11 10:54:59 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by Owen Hartnett
1) Liberace
2) Milli Vanilli
3) Jessica Simpson
4) Hanson
5) Ashley Simpson
6) Madonna
7) Spice Girls
8) Andrea Bocelli
9) Kenny G
10) Menudo
I wouldn't argue against the inclusion of any of those names.
I have some doubts if Milli Vanilli could be considered *musicians*...

Johannes
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2005-04-11 14:36:48 UTC
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Post by Johannes Roehl
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Post by Owen Hartnett
1) Liberace
2) Milli Vanilli
3) Jessica Simpson
4) Hanson
5) Ashley Simpson
6) Madonna
7) Spice Girls
8) Andrea Bocelli
9) Kenny G
10) Menudo
I wouldn't argue against the inclusion of any of those names.
I have some doubts if Milli Vanilli could be considered *musicians*...
Johannes
That's the point.
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2005-04-11 05:57:54 UTC
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1) Liberace
Liberace's 1950s TV show was excellent. Like most entertainers of his
era, he's better known for the career that came after his breakthrough
period than the stuff that actually made him famous in the first place.

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2005-04-11 06:25:23 UTC
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Post by Stephen Worth
Post by Owen Hartnett
1) Liberace
Liberace's 1950s TV show was excellent. Like most entertainers of his
era, he's better known for the career that came after his breakthrough
period than the stuff that actually made him famous in the first place.
Trivia Quiz: Some other "stars" known only by one name:

Pop from the'50s (at least two), maybe more:


Classical:


Movie stars:
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2005-04-11 07:00:59 UTC
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Post by Stephen Worth
Post by Owen Hartnett
1) Liberace
Liberace's 1950s TV show was excellent. Like most entertainers of his
era, he's better known for the career that came after his breakthrough
period than the stuff that actually made him famous in the first place.
Out of my scope... ;-)
Solomon, Setrak, Tirimo.
Bourvil.



dk
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2005-04-11 20:17:28 UTC
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Arlette, Fernandel, Mistinguette.

regards,
SG
John Thomas
2005-04-11 21:15:43 UTC
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Arlette, Fernandel, Mistinguette.
That's Arletty, meathead.
hardman@sciences.sdsu.edu
2005-04-11 07:09:09 UTC
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Solomon, Vanessa-Mae (is hyphenation ok?), the fat guy from fiddler on
the roof
John Harrington
2005-04-11 09:40:32 UTC
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A. Brain wrote:
<snip>
<snip>
Kennedy, in addition to the others mentioned.


J
deeb
2005-04-11 12:57:09 UTC
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Post by Stephen Worth
Post by Owen Hartnett
1) Liberace
Liberace's 1950s TV show was excellent. Like most entertainers of his
era, he's better known for the career that came after his breakthrough
period than the stuff that actually made him famous in the first place.
Hildegard (?)
Topol - fiddler on the roof

Cantinflas- around the world in 80 days

Hildegard - old time star

Capuchine - BeautyItalian actress - North to Alaska

Sabu - Indian jungle kid

db
Owen Hartnett
2005-04-11 13:22:09 UTC
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In article
Post by Stephen Worth
Post by Owen Hartnett
1) Liberace
Liberace's 1950s TV show was excellent. Like most entertainers of his
era, he's better known for the career that came after his breakthrough
period than the stuff that actually made him famous in the first place.
Dion
Fabian

Not that I could tell you anything they sung.

-Owen
Dick Sexton
2005-04-11 14:48:14 UTC
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Post by Owen Hartnett
Dion
Fabian
Possibly active late '50s: Charo
Post-'50s bonus: Cicciolina, Xuxa
Post by Owen Hartnett
Not that I could tell you anything they sung.
Ditto. Could this be more off-topic? Well, I suppose I could accuse *the
Pope* of spreading AIDS in Africa... (Franco!)
Owen Hartnett
2005-04-11 16:12:46 UTC
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Post by Dick Sexton
Post by Owen Hartnett
Dion
Fabian
Possibly active late '50s: Charo
Post-'50s bonus: Cicciolina, Xuxa
How could I have forgotten Cher?! (although she springs from the 60's)

and Sonny?

There was the hip-hopper who died from too much luggage when her plane
crashed: Aileeyah

Probably a bunch of other rappers as well, but there's Eminem and the
guy on Punk my Ride (a good show, btw) Xhibit.

Currently: Shakira

-Owen
Dick Sexton
2005-04-11 16:54:00 UTC
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Post by Owen Hartnett
Post by Dick Sexton
Post by Owen Hartnett
Dion
Fabian
Possibly active late '50s: Charo
Post-'50s bonus: Cicciolina, Xuxa
How could I have forgotten Cher?! (although she springs from the 60's)
Nico, Lulu
Post by Owen Hartnett
and Sonny?
Donovan
Post by Owen Hartnett
There was the hip-hopper who died from too much luggage when her plane
crashed: Aileeyah
Probably a bunch of other rappers as well, but there's Eminem and the
guy on Punk my Ride (a good show, btw) Xhibit.
Juvenile. Let's not start on punk or we'll be busy all day.
Post by Owen Hartnett
Currently: Shakira
Sade, Pink

Formerly: Selena, TAFKAP

Closing with a fighter: Butterbean
Robert Marshall
2005-04-11 17:24:23 UTC
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Mantovani

Robert
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Paul Goldstein
2005-04-11 18:11:16 UTC
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In article <***@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk>, Robert Marshall
says...
Post by Robert Marshall
Mantovani
I'll raise you a Melachrino.
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Allen
2005-04-11 21:45:30 UTC
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says...
Post by Robert Marshall
Mantovani
I'll raise you a Melachrino.
But with some strings attached, as they say.
Allen
Derek Haslam
2005-04-11 21:35:23 UTC
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Post by Dan Koren
Dinu Lipatti (aka Constipatti)
Clara Haskil (aka Santa Clara)
Claudio Arrau (aka Guanito)
Alexander Brailowsky
Benno Moisseiwitsch
Krystian Zimmermann
Marc-Andre Hamelin
Vladimir Horowitz
Paul Badura-Skoda
Robert Casadesus
Wilhelm Backhaus
Walter Gieseking
Maurizio Pollini
Maria Joao Pires
Martha Argerich
Alfred Brendel
Wilhelm Kempff
Willian Kapell
Ignaz Friedman
Murray Perahia
Mitsuko Uchida
Helene Grimaud
Josef Hofmann
Edwin Fischer
Rudolf Serkin
Evgeny Kissin
Alfred Cortot
Richard Goode
Emmanuel Ax
Jorg Demus
Elly Ney
Yves Nat
Solomon
You're slipping Dan: you didn't include Clifford Curzon ;-)

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a***@aol.com
2005-04-09 20:35:55 UTC
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Not qualified to say, unfortunately.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Matthew B. Tepper
2005-04-09 20:45:39 UTC
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Post by a***@aol.com
Not qualified to say, unfortunately.
You're probably quite qualified, but (unlike most of us) you have tact.
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2005-04-09 21:45:10 UTC
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Post by a***@aol.com
Not qualified to say, unfortunately.
You're probably quite qualified, but
(unlike most of us) you have tact.
He couldn't be a tympanist if he didn't
have tact! ;-)



dk
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2005-04-09 22:02:49 UTC
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It is not of my making, it is what the instrument itself is best at.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Joachim Pense
2005-04-09 20:52:56 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Gould Glen
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce
Your list????
Who is Whiteman Paul?

Joachim
ansermetniac
2005-04-09 21:02:53 UTC
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Post by Joachim Pense
Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Gould Glen
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce
Your list????
Who is Whiteman Paul?
Joachim
Paul Whitrman, the King of Jazz(self proclaimed). A member of his
orchestra said that he was a phoney. He did not conduct. There was a
real conductor on the side. He does not know how they got through
Rhapsody in blue

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a***@aol.com
2005-04-09 21:41:50 UTC
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They got through Rhapsody in Blue, so far as I have read, being fed
parts a page at a time by Ferde Grofe who was orchestrating it, I
think.

That at least says something about the musicians (hopefully), left
playing virtually at sight.

It's still a hard piece to play well even when you are not having to
sight read it but nowhere as tough as Porgy and Bess.

If the comments about Paul Whiteman are correct, perhaps it might have
been better if you had asked for the 10 Most Overrated Conductors of
the 20th Century rather than the actual musicians playing for them?
Sometimes there may be a confusion in these matters.

There again, that would also be difficult to answer, in my opinion.
Depends on the repertoire I would say.

But, whatever his failings as a conductor, perhaps we should give
credit to Whiteman for commissioning the work in the first place and in
the 23-piece arrangement for "Jazz Orchestra" to Harold McDonald who
coped so nobly with the percussion part, a page at a time, in such
arrangement? Of course, in 1924 there was nothing unusual between
leaping between "traps" and timpani although today it is called
"multi-percussion, one performer" and sometimes attracts attention.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Stephen Worth
2005-04-10 02:23:27 UTC
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Paul Whitrman, the King of Jazz(self proclaimed). A member of his
orchestra said that he was a phoney. He did not conduct. There was a
real conductor on the side. He does not know how they got through
Rhapsody in blue
Read up a little more. That's totally untrue. Whiteman's title "The
King of Jazz" wasn't accurate, but he certainly was the King of Dance
Band Leaders. His band set the standard for musicianship throughout the
teens and twenties.

My favorite Whiteman story was told by the animator, Walter Lantz. When
they were recording the soundtrack to the animated sequence in the film
"The King of Jazz" in 1929, Lantz had rigged up a blinking light to act
as a metronome. (Animators time their action to the beat of the music,
and they need the beat to be totally constant... every 8, 10 or 12
frames of film.) Whiteman did a couple of false start takes with the
light and became frustrated at the blinking. He ordered that the light
be turned off. Lantz explained that the animators needed a strict
metronomic beat to animate to. Whiteman said, "Sir, I have been
conducting for many years. If I can't maintain a steady beat, I'm not
doing my job... How long do you want this piece to be?" Lantz answered
"two minutes twenty four seconds..." Whiteman went through his score
and counted the bars, took out his pocketwatch and tapped out a few
beats on his music stand. Then put his watch back in his pocket, called
the orchestra to attention and proceeded to knock out a perfect take
that came out precisely to the correct length, with frame accurate
beats all the way through.

The records on Victor bearing the name "Sousa's Band" weren't conducted
by Sousa, but that was because he objected to the recording technology,
not because he was incapable of conducting.

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2005-04-10 03:34:33 UTC
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Post by Stephen Worth
Post by ansermetniac
Paul Whitrman, the King of Jazz(self proclaimed). A member of his
orchestra said that he was a phoney. He did not conduct. There was a
real conductor on the side. He does not know how they got through
Rhapsody in blue
Read up a little more. That's totally untrue. Whiteman's title "The
King of Jazz" wasn't accurate, but he certainly was the King of Dance
Band Leaders. His band set the standard for musicianship throughout the
teens and twenties.
So I guess the band member who said that in in an interview was lying.

Abbedd
Post by Stephen Worth
My favorite Whiteman story was told by the animator, Walter Lantz. When
they were recording the soundtrack to the animated sequence in the film
"The King of Jazz" in 1929, Lantz had rigged up a blinking light to act
as a metronome. (Animators time their action to the beat of the music,
and they need the beat to be totally constant... every 8, 10 or 12
frames of film.) Whiteman did a couple of false start takes with the
light and became frustrated at the blinking. He ordered that the light
be turned off. Lantz explained that the animators needed a strict
metronomic beat to animate to. Whiteman said, "Sir, I have been
conducting for many years. If I can't maintain a steady beat, I'm not
doing my job... How long do you want this piece to be?" Lantz answered
"two minutes twenty four seconds..." Whiteman went through his score
and counted the bars, took out his pocketwatch and tapped out a few
beats on his music stand. Then put his watch back in his pocket, called
the orchestra to attention and proceeded to knock out a perfect take
that came out precisely to the correct length, with frame accurate
beats all the way through.
The records on Victor bearing the name "Sousa's Band" weren't conducted
by Sousa, but that was because he objected to the recording technology,
not because he was incapable of conducting.
See ya
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Stephen Worth
2005-04-10 08:34:03 UTC
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So I guess the band member who said that in in an interview was lying.
Most likely. Maybe he got fired for too many clams and wanted to get
back at his old boss.

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hardman@sciences.sdsu.edu
2005-04-10 10:39:09 UTC
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ansermetniac is a moron
Kimba W. Lion
2005-04-09 23:21:06 UTC
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Your list????
HvK - boooorrrrring
Lorin Maazel - couldn't conduct if you plugged him in to 240 volts
John Williams (not the guitar player) - made a career of plagiarism
John Cage - great con artist
Morton Subotnick - shshshshshshshkikbeepshshshshshshshkik

...and since you didn't limit it to the classical field...
Judy Garland - painful to hear or see
Billie Holiday - extra painful to hear
Frank Zappa - needed an editor to be great
Emerson Lake and Palmer - pretentiousness incarnate
Bob Dylan - he could write, yes-- but who left the mic open?
William Sommerwerck
2005-04-09 23:40:44 UTC
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Post by Kimba W. Lion
HvK - boooorrrrring
Lorin Maazel - couldn't conduct if you plugged him in to 240 volts
John Williams (not the guitar player) - made a career of plagiarism
John Cage - great con artist
Morton Subotnick - shshshshshshshkikbeepshshshshshshshkik
...and since you didn't limit it to the classical field...
Judy Garland - painful to hear or see
Billie Holiday - extra painful to hear
Frank Zappa - needed an editor to be great
Emerson Lake and Palmer - pretentiousness incarnate
Bob Dylan - he could write, yes-- but who left the mic open?
I don't completely agree with this list, but at least one could rationally
justify these.
a***@aol.com
2005-04-10 00:17:36 UTC
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Praise be that the Kilfenora Ceili Band has so far been excluded from
this. They've a great percussionist and she's only 13 and, bless her,
still persisting with traditional grip.

Pupil of John Fennessy in the RTE Concert Orchestra.

I promise not to tell her about this thread, lest it puts her off.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Spam Scone
2005-04-10 13:29:22 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
Abbedd
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell
Ken B. Lane
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell
Charlotte Church
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell
Zubin Mehta
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell
Matthew B. Tepper
2005-04-10 17:17:33 UTC
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Let me submit a new list:

Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl

;--)
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ansermetniac
2005-04-10 17:42:49 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:17:33 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
;--)
Surely you can still find one slot for Ms.Church

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Matthew B. Tepper
2005-04-10 17:49:54 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:17:33 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
;--)
Surely you can still find one slot for Ms.Church
I'm not aiming at that target this time 'round.
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2005-04-10 18:03:06 UTC
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Post by Matthew B. Tepper
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
Studer Cheryl
;--)
Charlotte Church
Charlotte Church
Charlotte Church
Charlotte Church
Charlotte Church
Charlotte Church
Charlotte Church
Charlotte Church
Charlotte Church
Charlotte Church


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dk
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2005-04-11 00:03:34 UTC
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In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard
Crosby Bing
Davis Miles
Garland Judy
Gould Glen
Mehta Zubin
Paul Whiteman
Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil
Springsteen Bruce
Your list????
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Derek Haslam
2005-04-11 21:30:53 UTC
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In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard Crosby Bing Davis Miles Garland Judy
Gould Glen Mehta Zubin Paul Whiteman Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil Springsteen Bruce
Your list????
Abbedd
Surely any such list has to include Andrew Lloyd-Webber?

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graham
2005-04-11 22:17:50 UTC
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Post by ansermetniac
In alphabetical order
Bernstein Leonard Crosby Bing Davis Miles Garland Judy
Gould Glen Mehta Zubin Paul Whiteman Sinatra Frank
Spector Phil Springsteen Bruce
Your list????
Abbedd
Surely any such list has to include Andrew Lloyd-Webber?
And his brother!

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