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MELMOTH
2021-11-16 15:05:14 UTC
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RMCR...
Frank Berger
2021-11-16 16:42:19 UTC
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RMCR...
Maybe life support. Time to pull the plug?
Bob Harper
2021-11-16 19:59:45 UTC
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RMCR...
Maybe life support. Time to pull the plug?
There certainly hasn't been much activity for several weeks now. I will
miss it if it folds, but life will go on.

Bob Harper
Chris from Lafayette
2021-11-16 22:10:38 UTC
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These things have ups and downs.
Obviously things will get more active if people just post on whatever they're listening to.
I think the wrong person stopped posting - if it had been gggg gggg rather than dk, everything would still be fine! ;-)
Andy Evans
2021-11-16 22:16:29 UTC
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These things have ups and downs.
Obviously things will get more active if people just post on whatever they're listening to.
I think the wrong person stopped posting - if it had been gggg gggg rather than dk, everything would still be fine! ;-)
It's clear that Dan was holding up the group with his energy and eccentric impact.
Graham
2021-11-17 19:50:47 UTC
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The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
That may or may not be true, but "discussing" mr gggg isn't "discussing people". He's an automaton, a soulless quoter and linker.
and polluting the wine group too.
Herman
2021-11-17 19:57:40 UTC
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The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
That may or may not be true, but "discussing" mr gggg isn't "discussing people". He's an automaton, a soulless quoter and linker.
and polluting the wine group too.
plus, allegedly, some movie group as well. I said fungus.
gggg gggg
2021-11-17 23:38:12 UTC
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Post by Graham
The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
That may or may not be true, but "discussing" mr gggg isn't "discussing people". He's an automaton, a soulless quoter and linker.
and polluting the wine group too.
plus, allegedly, some movie group as well. I said fungus.
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Herman
2021-11-18 10:01:13 UTC
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The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
That may or may not be true, but "discussing" mr gggg isn't "discussing people". He's an automaton, a soulless quoter and linker.
and polluting the wine group too.
plus, allegedly, some movie group as well. I said fungus.
So, in response to some complaints about his m.o. Mr. gggg doubles down and posts eight or nine topics, that is a couple new topics with stupid links, and six or seven resurrections, old topics that are catapulted back on top with self-referential links - i.e. links to more recent gggg duds.

It's pretty clear that gggg just wants to kill this group.
Andy Evans
2021-11-18 10:25:59 UTC
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It's pretty clear that gggg just wants to kill this group.
This group can easily survive gggg - that's just shifting the blame. What it needs is energy and motivation.

A lot more posts and discussion. Not games and lists like the other classical forum but just some life and colour. Dan was controversial and that in itself generated posts. So controversial is good. All dramas need a villain, and that isn't gggg.
Herman
2021-11-18 12:04:57 UTC
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It's pretty clear that gggg just wants to kill this group.
This group can easily survive gggg - that's just shifting the blame. What it needs is energy and motivation.
A lot more posts and discussion. Not games and lists like the other classical forum but just some life and colour. Dan was controversial and that in itself generated posts. So controversial is good. All dramas need a villain, and that isn't gggg.
I agree that it takes more activity; but it's also pretty clear that there are days gggg posts so many links on different topics because he just wants to bury the 'front page' under his topics. It's a deliberate tactic.
MiNe109
2021-11-18 13:12:45 UTC
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It's pretty clear that gggg just wants to kill this group.
This group can easily survive gggg - that's just shifting the
blame. What it needs is energy and motivation.
A lot more posts and discussion. Not games and lists like the other
classical forum but just some life and colour. Dan was
controversial and that in itself generated posts. So controversial
is good. All dramas need a villain, and that isn't gggg.
I agree that it takes more activity; but it's also pretty clear that
there are days gggg posts so many links on different topics because
he just wants to bury the 'front page' under his topics. It's a
deliberate tactic.
RMCR is more readable with a newsreader with filter but that's like
complaining fax newsletters or telegram digests aren't what they used to be.
gggg gggg
2021-11-18 15:54:02 UTC
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Post by Graham
The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
That may or may not be true, but "discussing" mr gggg isn't "discussing people". He's an automaton, a soulless quoter and linker.
and polluting the wine group too.
plus, allegedly, some movie group as well. I said fungus.
So, in response to some complaints about his m.o. Mr. gggg doubles down and posts eight or nine topics, that is a couple new topics with stupid links, and six or seven resurrections, old topics that are catapulted back on top with self-referential links - i.e. links to more recent gggg duds.
It's pretty clear that gggg just wants to kill this group.
Look...............if this country can survive Trump, then rmcr can soitenly survoive ME.
HT
2021-11-18 22:12:00 UTC
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Post by Graham
The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
That may or may not be true, but "discussing" mr gggg isn't "discussing people". He's an automaton, a soulless quoter and linker.
and polluting the wine group too.
plus, allegedly, some movie group as well. I said fungus.
So, in response to some complaints about his m.o. Mr. gggg doubles down and posts eight or nine topics, that is a couple new topics with stupid links, and six or seven resurrections, old topics that are catapulted back on top with self-referential links - i.e. links to more recent gggg duds.
It's pretty clear that gggg just wants to kill this group.
Look...............if this country can survive Trump, then rmcr can soitenly survoive ME.
<g> Words of wisdom - and your own words at that.

Henk
Frank Berger
2021-11-18 23:33:51 UTC
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The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
That may or may not be true, but "discussing" mr gggg isn't "discussing people". He's an automaton, a soulless quoter and linker.
and polluting the wine group too.
plus, allegedly, some movie group as well. I said fungus.
So, in response to some complaints about his m.o. Mr. gggg doubles down and posts eight or nine topics, that is a couple new topics with stupid links, and six or seven resurrections, old topics that are catapulted back on top with self-referential links - i.e. links to more recent gggg duds.
It's pretty clear that gggg just wants to kill this group.
Look...............if this country can survive Trump, then rmcr can soitenly survoive ME.
<g> Words of wisdom - and your own words at that.
Henk
Just like everything he posts, this statement makes no sense.
HT
2021-11-19 10:28:42 UTC
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The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
That may or may not be true, but "discussing" mr gggg isn't "discussing people". He's an automaton, a soulless quoter and linker.
and polluting the wine group too.
plus, allegedly, some movie group as well. I said fungus.
So, in response to some complaints about his m.o. Mr. gggg doubles down and posts eight or nine topics, that is a couple new topics with stupid links, and six or seven resurrections, old topics that are catapulted back on top with self-referential links - i.e. links to more recent gggg duds.
It's pretty clear that gggg just wants to kill this group.
Look...............if this country can survive Trump, then rmcr can soitenly survoive ME.
<g> Words of wisdom - and your own words at that.
Henk
Just like everything he posts, this statement makes no sense.
Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.

Henk
Herman
2021-11-19 17:14:32 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Al Eisner
2021-11-20 22:57:24 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Frankly, I find this discussion near-incomprehensible. If you don't
want to read bis posts, just skip them. This is trivial to do, with
or without a kill file. If "noone ever responds", you won't evem
see threads he starts.

In fact, there are some responses, but give your fellow participants the
benefit of the doubt: if they respond, maybe a topic (even one 15 years
old) interests them, or maybe they have their own comment on a link.
(In classical music, just because a topic is old doesn't exclude it
from current interest.)

I too wish there were more posts actually expressing views on new
(or old) performances. And I wish this current thread focused more
on that. If we don't like the percentages, we need to contribute.
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Al Eisner
Frank Berger
2021-11-21 00:13:57 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Frankly, I find this discussion near-incomprehensible.  If you don't
want to read bis posts, just skip them.  This is trivial to do, with
or without a kill file.  If "noone ever responds", you won't evem
see threads he starts.
It is perfectly reasonable to find gggg's type of participation here objectionable and it is perfectly reasonable to say so.
In fact, there are some responses, but give your fellow participants the
benefit of the doubt:  if they respond, maybe a topic (even one 15 years
old) interests them, or maybe they have their own comment on a link.
(In classical music, just because a topic is old doesn't exclude it
from current interest.)
I too wish there were more posts actually expressing views on new
(or old) performances.  And I wish this current thread focused more
on that.  If we don't like the percentages, we need to contribute.
HT
2021-11-21 10:28:20 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Frankly, I find this discussion near-incomprehensible. If you don't
want to read bis posts, just skip them. This is trivial to do, with
or without a kill file. If "noone ever responds", you won't evem
see threads he starts.
It is perfectly reasonable to find gggg's type of participation here objectionable and it is perfectly reasonable to say so.
<g> "Type"-objections have little to do with reason.

Henk
Marc S
2021-11-26 12:05:07 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Frankly, I find this discussion near-incomprehensible. If you don't
want to read bis posts, just skip them. This is trivial to do, with
or without a kill file. If "noone ever responds", you won't evem
see threads he starts.
It is perfectly reasonable to find gggg's type of participation here objectionable and it is perfectly reasonable to say so.
<g> "Type"-objections have little to do with reason.
Henk
BTW Henk. Gilels is not one of my favourite Mozart pianists anymore ;D And since I remember that you once posted about wanting to read more on Kierkegaard, you might find interest in what Adorno has to say here:

"De gustibus est disputandum – Even those who are convinced of the incomparability of works of art, find themselves continually entangled in debates where works of art, and precisely those of the highest and for that reason incomparable rank, are compared with and evaluated against each other. The objection invariably raised during such considerations, that it is all just a matter of collectors’ instincts, of measuring by ells, usually means only that the good citizens, to whom art can never be irrational enough, wish to keep the inner constitution and claim of truth distant from the works. The compulsion of the consideration is however located in the work of art itself. So much is true, that they do not allow themselves to be compared. Rather, they want to annihilate each other. It is not for nothing that the ancients [i.e. Greeks] reserved the pantheon of that which is compatible to the gods or to ideas, but required works of art to enter the agon [Greek: contest, conflict, struggle], each one the mortal enemy of the other. The depiction of a “pantheon of classicism,” which Kierkegaard still clung to, is a fiction of neutralized upbringing. For if the idea of the beautiful is portrayed as merely divided up into many works, each individual one nevertheless reckons on an inalienable claim to the whole, claiming the beautiful for itself out of its uniqueness and can never admit its segmentation, without annulling itself. The beautiful, as something unitary, true and appearanceless [scheinlos], emancipated from such individuation, is not represented by the synthesis of all works, by the unity of arts and of art, but solely corporeally and actually: in the downfall of art itself. Every work of art aims at such a downfall, by seeking the death of all the others. That all art reckons on its own end, is another way of stating the same state of affairs. It is out of such a compulsion towards self-annihilation in works of art, from their innermost concern, that drives towards the appearanceless [scheinlos] picture of what is beautiful, which stirs up seemingly useless aesthetic disputes over and over again. While they stubbornly and obstinately wish to find what is aesthetically correct [Recht] and precisely thereby fall victim to an unquenchable dialectic, they are more correct than they can know; by delimiting each art-work, whose energy they take into themselves and raise to a concept, they work towards the destruction of art, which is its salvation. The aesthetic tolerance, which validates works of art in their immediate narrowness, without breaking this last, yields only the wrong downfall, that of the juxtaposition, which denies the claim of the unitary truth."

It is out of Minima Moralia and while I don't always agree with Adorno on Music, I think he makes some good points here and also elsewhere (I still have to get more familiar with his musical philosophy, and even though much of it is very likely wrong, one can still learn a lot). What I get out the upper mentioned essay is: That taste is debatable. De gustibus est disputandum as opposed to De gustibus non est disputandum.
HT
2021-11-27 13:55:02 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Frankly, I find this discussion near-incomprehensible. If you don't
want to read bis posts, just skip them. This is trivial to do, with
or without a kill file. If "noone ever responds", you won't evem
see threads he starts.
It is perfectly reasonable to find gggg's type of participation here objectionable and it is perfectly reasonable to say so.
<g> "Type"-objections have little to do with reason.
Henk
"De gustibus est disputandum – Even those who are convinced of the incomparability of works of art, find themselves continually entangled in debates where works of art, and precisely those of the highest and for that reason incomparable rank, are compared with and evaluated against each other. The objection invariably raised during such considerations, that it is all just a matter of collectors’ instincts, of measuring by ells, usually means only that the good citizens, to whom art can never be irrational enough, wish to keep the inner constitution and claim of truth distant from the works. The compulsion of the consideration is however located in the work of art itself. So much is true, that they do not allow themselves to be compared. Rather, they want to annihilate each other. It is not for nothing that the ancients [i.e. Greeks] reserved the pantheon of that which is compatible to the gods or to ideas, but required works of art to enter the agon [Greek: contest, conflict, struggle], each one the mortal enemy of the other. The depiction of a “pantheon of classicism,” which Kierkegaard still clung to, is a fiction of neutralized upbringing. For if the idea of the beautiful is portrayed as merely divided up into many works, each individual one nevertheless reckons on an inalienable claim to the whole, claiming the beautiful for itself out of its uniqueness and can never admit its segmentation, without annulling itself. The beautiful, as something unitary, true and appearanceless [scheinlos], emancipated from such individuation, is not represented by the synthesis of all works, by the unity of arts and of art, but solely corporeally and actually: in the downfall of art itself. Every work of art aims at such a downfall, by seeking the death of all the others. That all art reckons on its own end, is another way of stating the same state of affairs. It is out of such a compulsion towards self-annihilation in works of art, from their innermost concern, that drives towards the appearanceless [scheinlos] picture of what is beautiful, which stirs up seemingly useless aesthetic disputes over and over again. While they stubbornly and obstinately wish to find what is aesthetically correct [Recht] and precisely thereby fall victim to an unquenchable dialectic, they are more correct than they can know; by delimiting each art-work, whose energy they take into themselves and raise to a concept, they work towards the destruction of art, which is its salvation. The aesthetic tolerance, which validates works of art in their immediate narrowness, without breaking this last, yields only the wrong downfall, that of the juxtaposition, which denies the claim of the unitary truth."
It is out of Minima Moralia and while I don't always agree with Adorno on Music, I think he makes some good points here and also elsewhere (I still have to get more familiar with his musical philosophy, and even though much of it is very likely wrong, one can still learn a lot). What I get out the upper mentioned essay is: That taste is debatable. De gustibus est disputandum as opposed to De gustibus non est disputandum.
Hello Marc, I am not familiar with the Frankfurter's philosophy of art.
From this text, I gather that a work of art has to be "raised to a concept ", to be debatable, i.e. related to the idea of beauty and aesthetic correctness.
Personally, I do not see the need for a unitary truth, for a clear conception of what beauty is. I am one of Adorno's "good citizens".

Henk
Marc S
2021-11-28 14:01:54 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Frankly, I find this discussion near-incomprehensible. If you don't
want to read bis posts, just skip them. This is trivial to do, with
or without a kill file. If "noone ever responds", you won't evem
see threads he starts.
It is perfectly reasonable to find gggg's type of participation here objectionable and it is perfectly reasonable to say so.
<g> "Type"-objections have little to do with reason.
Henk
"De gustibus est disputandum – Even those who are convinced of the incomparability of works of art, find themselves continually entangled in debates where works of art, and precisely those of the highest and for that reason incomparable rank, are compared with and evaluated against each other. The objection invariably raised during such considerations, that it is all just a matter of collectors’ instincts, of measuring by ells, usually means only that the good citizens, to whom art can never be irrational enough, wish to keep the inner constitution and claim of truth distant from the works. The compulsion of the consideration is however located in the work of art itself. So much is true, that they do not allow themselves to be compared. Rather, they want to annihilate each other. It is not for nothing that the ancients [i.e. Greeks] reserved the pantheon of that which is compatible to the gods or to ideas, but required works of art to enter the agon [Greek: contest, conflict, struggle], each one the mortal enemy of the other. The depiction of a “pantheon of classicism,” which Kierkegaard still clung to, is a fiction of neutralized upbringing. For if the idea of the beautiful is portrayed as merely divided up into many works, each individual one nevertheless reckons on an inalienable claim to the whole, claiming the beautiful for itself out of its uniqueness and can never admit its segmentation, without annulling itself. The beautiful, as something unitary, true and appearanceless [scheinlos], emancipated from such individuation, is not represented by the synthesis of all works, by the unity of arts and of art, but solely corporeally and actually: in the downfall of art itself. Every work of art aims at such a downfall, by seeking the death of all the others. That all art reckons on its own end, is another way of stating the same state of affairs. It is out of such a compulsion towards self-annihilation in works of art, from their innermost concern, that drives towards the appearanceless [scheinlos] picture of what is beautiful, which stirs up seemingly useless aesthetic disputes over and over again. While they stubbornly and obstinately wish to find what is aesthetically correct [Recht] and precisely thereby fall victim to an unquenchable dialectic, they are more correct than they can know; by delimiting each art-work, whose energy they take into themselves and raise to a concept, they work towards the destruction of art, which is its salvation. The aesthetic tolerance, which validates works of art in their immediate narrowness, without breaking this last, yields only the wrong downfall, that of the juxtaposition, which denies the claim of the unitary truth."
It is out of Minima Moralia and while I don't always agree with Adorno on Music, I think he makes some good points here and also elsewhere (I still have to get more familiar with his musical philosophy, and even though much of it is very likely wrong, one can still learn a lot). What I get out the upper mentioned essay is: That taste is debatable. De gustibus est disputandum as opposed to De gustibus non est disputandum.
Hello Marc, I am not familiar with the Frankfurter's philosophy of art.
From this text, I gather that a work of art has to be "raised to a concept ", to be debatable, i.e. related to the idea of beauty and aesthetic correctness.
Personally, I do not see the need for a unitary truth, for a clear conception of what beauty is. I am one of Adorno's "good citizens".
Henk
You can believe this. Nothing against it, even though I am of different opinion.
Dan Koren
2021-11-28 19:37:14 UTC
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BTW: It may also be too much as an introduction to
Adorno probably. I also don't fully grasp Adorno here.
Thank God you don't! Otherwise
you would be writing a hundred
times longer posts to explain
Adorno's philosophy! Please
spare us such lectures.

dk

Herman
2021-11-21 11:20:04 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Frankly, I find this discussion near-incomprehensible. If you don't
want to read bis posts, just skip them. This is trivial to do, with
or without a kill file. If "noone ever responds", you won't evem
see threads he starts.
This is only partly true. Over time Mr gggg has developed a method of building a wall of topics so that if you open RMCR on google groups, you see nothing but topics without any substance other than "gggg was here" - resurrected topics from ten or fifteen years ago with nothing added other than a mention of a vaguely connected youtube posting (without link, so completely useless), or, the latest trick, a link to another gggg topic, so that you're getting the anxious feeling you're dealing with a totally self-involved crazy man, whose entire world consists of gggg and his extremily limited concerns i.e. Holst's Neptune, a couple of movies from a long time ago, like Space Odyssey, and the decline of intellectual culture, which is kind of ironic since mr gggg would serve well as Exhibit A for said decline.

It reminds me too much of Ansermaniac, another self-obsessed RMCRer. I'm fully aware every internet group attracts at least one of these cases, and I'm fully willing to sidestep or humour them. Ansermaniac made me sad sometimes, he was obviously suffering. However, if you look at the wine group mr. gggg has colonized with a similar strategy, it doesn't make me sad, and there is no way to sidestep gggg; he's all over the place, he desperately wants you to see his thingie, over and over again, even though he's got nothing to contribute. That's why he started ressurecting these old topics: you think, 'Hey that's a topic I'm interested in, and what happened to the OP?' and then you find out it's just gggg again. It's tedious and exhausting.
Frank Berger
2021-11-21 14:13:51 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Frankly, I find this discussion near-incomprehensible. If you don't
want to read bis posts, just skip them. This is trivial to do, with
or without a kill file. If "noone ever responds", you won't evem
see threads he starts.
This is only partly true. Over time Mr gggg has developed a method of building a wall of topics so that if you open RMCR on google groups, you see nothing but topics without any substance other than "gggg was here" - resurrected topics from ten or fifteen years ago with nothing added other than a mention of a vaguely connected youtube posting (without link, so completely useless), or, the latest trick, a link to another gggg topic, so that you're getting the anxious feeling you're dealing with a totally self-involved crazy man, whose entire world consists of gggg and his extremily limited concerns i.e. Holst's Neptune, a couple of movies from a long time ago, like Space Odyssey, and the decline of intellectual culture, which is kind of ironic since mr gggg would serve well as Exhibit A for said decline.
It reminds me too much of Ansermaniac, another self-obsessed RMCRer. I'm fully aware every internet group attracts at least one of these cases, and I'm fully willing to sidestep or humour them. Ansermaniac made me sad sometimes, he was obviously suffering. However, if you look at the wine group mr. gggg has colonized with a similar strategy, it doesn't make me sad, and there is no way to sidestep gggg; he's all over the place, he desperately wants you to see his thingie, over and over again, even though he's got nothing to contribute. That's why he started ressurecting these old topics: you think, 'Hey that's a topic I'm interested in, and what happened to the OP?' and then you find out it's just gggg again. It's tedious and exhausting.
Would it be possible to turn this into a moderated group and ban him?
Herman
2021-11-21 15:38:08 UTC
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Would it be possible to turn this into a moderated group and ban him?
It would not be possible. And even it were it would not be worth the trouble.
Al Eisner
2021-11-22 22:52:25 UTC
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Most of what gggg posts makes sense. He would make more sense if he didn't disguise himself as a quote bot.
Henk
He's a madman talking to himself. Which is why noone ever responds.
Virtually all his stuff is on endless all gggg fungus topics.
If you like his stuff, go and give him your email address.
Frankly, I find this discussion near-incomprehensible. If you don't
want to read bis posts, just skip them. This is trivial to do, with
or without a kill file. If "noone ever responds", you won't evem
see threads he starts.
This is only partly true. Over time Mr gggg has developed a method of building a wall of topics so that if you open RMCR on google groups, you see nothing but topics without any substance other than "gggg was here" - resurrected topics from ten or fifteen years ago with nothing added other than a mention of a vaguely connected youtube posting (without link, so completely useless), or, the latest trick, a link to another gggg topic, so that you're getting the anxious feeling you're dealing with a totally self-involved crazy man, whose entire world consists of gggg and his extremily limited concerns i.e. Holst's Neptune, a couple of movies from a long time ago, like Space Odyssey, and the decline of intellectual culture, which is kind of ironic since mr gggg would serve well as Exhibit A for said decline.
It reminds me too much of Ansermaniac, another self-obsessed RMCRer. I'm fully aware every internet group attracts at least one of these cases, and I'm fully willing to sidestep or humour them. Ansermaniac made me sad sometimes, he was obviously suffering. However, if you look at the wine group mr. gggg has colonized with a similar strategy, it doesn't make me sad, and there is no way to sidestep gggg; he's all over the place, he desperately wants you to see his thingie, over and over again, even though he's got nothing to contribute. That's why he started ressurecting these old topics: you think, 'Hey that's a topic I'm interested in, and what happened to the OP?' and then you find out it's just gggg again. It's tedious and exhausting.
Well, perhaps the perspective of a google groups user differs from mine.
I find the site extraordinarily annoying, and my only usage of it is
to search (it is good at that, but still annoyingly comes up with entire
long threads, rather than focusing on the one or two posts relevant to
my search).

As to gggg, I think your comparison does him (likely a him) a disservice.
The messages themselves are all over the place, as you say, but not
(at least in rncr) neither nuts nor insulting. Rose-colored lenses perhaos?
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Al Eisner
Ricardo Jimenez
2021-11-17 22:33:24 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 10:37:01 -0800 (PST), gggg gggg
The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
Just as I always had thought. One of my least favorite authors, Jane
Austen, had a small mind.
Frank Berger
2021-11-17 22:56:01 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 10:37:01 -0800 (PST), gggg gggg
The only thing RMCRers can do is just post about things they're interested in, preferably music.
However if you look at other places where mr. gggg is active it's clear that his posts / links are like a fungus, overwhelming all other activity and demoralizing the original posters, so that in the end a site is 100% gggg. That's the way, uhuh, he likes it.
- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
Just as I always had thought. One of my least favorite authors, Jane
Austen, had a small mind.
I thought pride, prejudice, sense, sensibility and such were ideas.
Dan Koren
2021-11-21 02:28:54 UTC
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It's clear that Dan was holding up the
group with his energy and eccentric
impact.
Non sense.

dk
HT
2021-11-17 11:03:32 UTC
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Post by Chris from Lafayette
These things have ups and downs.
Obviously things will get more active if people just post on whatever they're listening to.
I think the wrong person stopped posting - if it had been gggg gggg rather than dk, everything would still be fine! ;-)
<g> A group that depends on one poster is doomed, whether it is DK or gggg (bien étonnés de se trouver ensemble).

Henk
sci.space
2021-11-17 13:30:41 UTC
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All of Usenet seems to be dying. I used to subscribe to about 20 sites and most have transitioned to dedicated forums or Facebook pages. RMCR is the last one to have at least one post a day; most have shut down.

Possibly the dearth of retail outlets is a big factor in the decline of RMCR. I managed to find recordings I ultimately loved by flipping through bins. I also found a lot of dross that way.

Anyone know of any good moderated forums related to recorded classical music?
Gerard
2021-11-18 12:37:45 UTC
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All of Usenet seems to be dying. I used to subscribe to about 20 sites and most have transitioned to dedicated forums or Facebook pages. RMCR is the last one to have at least one post a day; most have shut down.
Possibly the dearth of retail outlets is a big factor in the decline of RMCR. I managed to find recordings I ultimately loved by flipping through bins. I also found a lot of dross that way.
Anyone know of any good moderated forums related to recorded classical music?
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/board,5.0.html

https://www.talkclassical.com/?s=a3f08c21d4dc139abddf92d8515bfe5a
Chris from Lafayette
2021-11-19 23:15:23 UTC
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Anyone know of any good moderated forums related to recorded classical music?
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/board,5.0.html
https://www.talkclassical.com/?s=a3f08c21d4dc139abddf92d8515bfe5a
I might as well put in a plug for a forum which I moderate: the "Classical Court" forum of the Audio Asylum site, whose motto is "From Perotin to Prokofiev (and beyond), performed by Caruso to Khatia, it's all here." It might be problematical for some here on RMCR because of the "audiophile" orientation of the AA site itself, as well as the dust-ups which occasionally arise from some pretty bitter arguments over SJW issues, HIP vs. non-HIP, and (my favorite!) babe classical musicians. Although I moderate this particular forum, I'm inclined NOT to "prune" messages if I can help it. In addition, there are a few other former posters there who have left because they've taken offense at what I've posted (i.e., not how I've moderated the forum, but just with what I've posted!). In any case, here's the link:

https://www.audioasylum.com/audio/music/classical/bbs.html

One other thing: if you choose "classic view", I think the layout/organization of the posts makes a lot of sense, although some disagree on this point.
frankwm
2021-11-20 07:25:07 UTC
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I might as well put in a plug for a forum which I moderate: the "Classical Court" forum ......... I'm inclined NOT to "prune" messages if I can help it. In addition, there are a few other former posters there who have left because they've taken offense at what I've posted (i.e., not how I've moderated the forum, but just with what I've posted!).
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https://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/search.mpl?forum=classical&searchtext=frankwm

I'd left because of that guy's arrogance ('Classical Court' being his special little Fiefdom) after over 15 years on AA: he sure doesn't like to be shown as being incorrect and engages in Winston Smith re-writing/editing/removal of posts (had previously mentioned Philips' re-recording (in another acoustic) of Stokowski/Tchaikovsky - also Davis/Berlioz Te Deum) where he engaged in contortions to prove he was originally correct after stating I was wrong (as if....) - now seemingly all vanished.
Typically that lot only wish to read those opinions that they hold so dear.

Thought he was in safe-ground re: the over-hyped Barbirolli Elgar/RVW string disc.. see his laughable inability to Comprehend the written-word..
https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=classical&m=25836

gggg gggg should love-bomb that joint..
Ricardo Jimenez
2021-11-20 15:30:32 UTC
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Post by frankwm
I might as well put in a plug for a forum which I moderate: the "Classical Court" forum ......... I'm inclined NOT to "prune" messages if I can help it. In addition, there are a few other former posters there who have left because they've taken offense at what I've posted (i.e., not how I've moderated the forum, but just with what I've posted!).
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https://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/search.mpl?forum=classical&searchtext=frankwm
I'd left because of that guy's arrogance ('Classical Court' being his special little Fiefdom) after over 15 years on AA: he sure doesn't like to be shown as being incorrect and engages in Winston Smith re-writing/editing/removal of posts (had previously mentioned Philips' re-recording (in another acoustic) of Stokowski/Tchaikovsky - also Davis/Berlioz Te Deum) where he engaged in contortions to prove he was originally correct after stating I was wrong (as if....) - now seemingly all vanished.
Typically that lot only wish to read those opinions that they hold so dear.
Thought he was in safe-ground re: the over-hyped Barbirolli Elgar/RVW string disc.. see his laughable inability to Comprehend the written-word..
https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=classical&m=25836
gggg gggg should love-bomb that joint..
I looked over the list of posts on the "Classical Court" website and I
didn't see a single one devoted to the most important and long lasting
medium of contemporary classical music making, DVDs and Blu-Rays of
operas.
Chris from Lafayette
2021-11-21 20:57:10 UTC
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I might as well put in a plug for a forum which I moderate: the "Classical Court" forum ......... I'm inclined NOT to "prune" messages if I can help it. In addition, there are a few other former posters there who have left because they've taken offense at what I've posted (i.e., not how I've moderated the forum, but just with what I've posted!).
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https://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/search.mpl?forum=classical&searchtext=frankwm
I'd left because of that guy's arrogance ('Classical Court' being his special little Fiefdom) after over 15 years on AA: he sure doesn't like to be shown as being incorrect and engages in Winston Smith re-writing/editing/removal of posts (had previously mentioned Philips' re-recording (in another acoustic) of Stokowski/Tchaikovsky - also Davis/Berlioz Te Deum) where he engaged in contortions to prove he was originally correct after stating I was wrong (as if....) - now seemingly all vanished.
Typically that lot only wish to read those opinions that they hold so dear.
Thought he was in safe-ground re: the over-hyped Barbirolli Elgar/RVW string disc.. see his laughable inability to Comprehend the written-word..
https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=classical&m=25836
Oh dear! The "victim" has spoken!

Generally, the only time posts are "pruned" from "Classical Court" is when they involve pure name calling, or, more seriously, threats of violence (in which case, the poster might be banished from the site or, at the very least, obliged to take an enforced "vacation" for some period of time too.) However, I am not the only moderator on the Audio Asylum site, and, in rare cases, another moderator will remove posts from the Classical Court forum. I don't remember your posts about Stokowski/Tchaikovsky or the Davis/Berlioz Te Deum - but posts on those subjects would certainly not have been removed if that was their only subject matter. It's also the case that posts could be removed after complaints on the part of other "inmates" there.
frankwm
2021-11-21 21:33:51 UTC
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Oh dear! The "victim" has spoken!
........
I'm no 'victim'.

You edited some 4 lines from your last message - which was highly personal and offensive.

Poster's edits retain a link to the original post - yours doesn't: in 15 years I never had other than 2 >loopy< complaints about my posts (posts still there).

You didn't like being condradicted (SoL): yet you were previously 'begging' for my involvement

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https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=classical&m=24580

So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 11:49:12 01/8/21 (2)

RE: So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - frankwm 12:44:52 01/8/21 (1)
"Saving the Keyboard from over-excitement" - No doubt a wise move! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 17:44:16 01/8/21 (0)

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"Yankee Style dissertation" is the typical AA use of 1000 words when 100 would do - not to mention your pretending the reputation of the SoL was so good - by referencing near 60year-later recordings - with pictures - 'to prove that'..bizarre.

Don't attempt to depict me as a troublemaker: The classical postings prior to 2018 were on Vinyl Asylum: they were informative & good-natured for very many years by Tom B., Garrod, myself and some others...people now gone: I don't recall your being part of That.

As was my input in your 'Court' - until I was abused that day by "Ivan303" - which you were quite happy to allow.
Chris from Lafayette
2021-11-22 20:46:48 UTC
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Oh dear! The "victim" has spoken!
........
I'm no 'victim'.
You edited some 4 lines from your last message - which was highly personal and offensive.
Poster's edits retain a link to the original post - yours doesn't: in 15 years I never had other than 2 >loopy< complaints about my posts (posts still there).
You didn't like being condradicted (SoL): yet you were previously 'begging' for my involvement
..................................
https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=classical&m=24580
So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 11:49:12 01/8/21 (2)
RE: So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - frankwm 12:44:52 01/8/21 (1)
"Saving the Keyboard from over-excitement" - No doubt a wise move! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 17:44:16 01/8/21 (0)
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"Yankee Style dissertation" is the typical AA use of 1000 words when 100 would do - not to mention your pretending the reputation of the SoL was so good - by referencing near 60year-later recordings - with pictures - 'to prove that'..bizarre.
Don't attempt to depict me as a troublemaker: The classical postings prior to 2018 were on Vinyl Asylum: they were informative & good-natured for very many years by Tom B., Garrod, myself and some others...people now gone: I don't recall your being part of That.
As was my input in your 'Court' - until I was abused that day by "Ivan303" - which you were quite happy to allow.
Wow, frank - you're not only a victim, but an aggrieved victim! ;-)
Frank Berger
2021-11-22 22:21:32 UTC
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Post by Chris from Lafayette
Oh dear! The "victim" has spoken!
........
I'm no 'victim'.
You edited some 4 lines from your last message - which was highly personal and offensive.
Poster's edits retain a link to the original post - yours doesn't: in 15 years I never had other than 2 >loopy< complaints about my posts (posts still there).
You didn't like being condradicted (SoL): yet you were previously 'begging' for my involvement
..................................
https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=classical&m=24580
So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 11:49:12 01/8/21 (2)
RE: So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - frankwm 12:44:52 01/8/21 (1)
"Saving the Keyboard from over-excitement" - No doubt a wise move! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 17:44:16 01/8/21 (0)
...................................
"Yankee Style dissertation" is the typical AA use of 1000 words when 100 would do - not to mention your pretending the reputation of the SoL was so good - by referencing near 60year-later recordings - with pictures - 'to prove that'..bizarre.
Don't attempt to depict me as a troublemaker: The classical postings prior to 2018 were on Vinyl Asylum: they were informative & good-natured for very many years by Tom B., Garrod, myself and some others...people now gone: I don't recall your being part of That.
As was my input in your 'Court' - until I was abused that day by "Ivan303" - which you were quite happy to allow.
Wow, frank - you're not only a victim, but an aggrieved victim! ;-)
The best kind.
Bob Harper
2021-11-23 01:30:25 UTC
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Post by Chris from Lafayette
Oh dear! The "victim" has spoken!
........
I'm no 'victim'.
You edited some 4 lines from your last message - which was highly
personal and offensive.
Poster's edits retain a link to the original post - yours doesn't: in
15 years I never had other than 2 >loopy< complaints about my posts
(posts still there).
You didn't like being condradicted (SoL): yet you were previously
'begging' for my involvement
..................................
https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=classical&m=24580
So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette
11:49:12 01/8/21 (2)
RE: So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - frankwm 12:44:52 01/8/21 (1)
"Saving the Keyboard from over-excitement" - No doubt a wise move!
[nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 17:44:16 01/8/21 (0)
...................................
"Yankee Style dissertation" is the typical AA use of 1000 words when
100 would do - not to mention your pretending the reputation of the
SoL was so good - by referencing near 60year-later recordings - with
pictures - 'to prove that'..bizarre.
Don't attempt to depict me as a troublemaker: The classical postings
prior to 2018 were on Vinyl Asylum: they were informative &
good-natured for very many years by Tom B., Garrod, myself and some
others...people now gone: I don't recall your being part of That.
As was my input in your 'Court' - until I was abused that day by
"Ivan303" - which you were quite happy to allow.
Wow, frank - you're not only a victim, but an aggrieved victim! ;-)
The best kind.
I've never seen anything from Mr. WM that has *not* been aggrieved.

Bob Harper
Frank Berger
2021-11-23 01:54:22 UTC
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Post by Chris from Lafayette
Oh dear! The "victim" has spoken!
........
I'm no 'victim'.
You edited some 4 lines from your last message - which was highly personal and offensive.
Poster's edits retain a link to the original post - yours doesn't: in 15 years I never had other than 2 >loopy< complaints about my posts (posts still there).
You didn't like being condradicted (SoL): yet you were previously 'begging' for my involvement
..................................
https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=classical&m=24580
So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 11:49:12 01/8/21 (2)
RE: So, Frank - you aren't SHY, are you? [nt] ;-) - frankwm 12:44:52 01/8/21 (1)
"Saving the Keyboard from over-excitement" - No doubt a wise move! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 17:44:16 01/8/21 (0)
...................................
"Yankee Style dissertation" is the typical AA use of 1000 words when 100 would do - not to mention your pretending the reputation of the SoL was so good - by referencing near 60year-later recordings - with pictures - 'to prove that'..bizarre.
Don't attempt to depict me as a troublemaker: The classical postings prior to 2018 were on Vinyl Asylum: they were informative & good-natured for very many years by Tom B., Garrod, myself and some others...people now gone: I don't recall your being part of That.
As was my input in your 'Court' - until I was abused that day by "Ivan303" - which you were quite happy to allow.
Wow, frank - you're not only a victim, but an aggrieved victim! ;-)
The best kind.
I've never seen anything from Mr. WM that has *not* been aggrieved.
Bob Harper
He's been in my killfile for a long time, but I don't remember why. I see his posts only accidentally.
wkasimer
2021-11-18 15:06:00 UTC
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I've looked at talkclassical but it doesn't seem interesting. Lots of polls.
I've been on Talk Classical for a couple of years. Yes, there are too many polls and pointless "games" that some people seem to enjoy, but if you ignore them, which isn't difficult, there are some fairly interesting threads.
Frank Berger
2021-11-18 15:30:10 UTC
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I've looked at talkclassical but it doesn't seem interesting. Lots of polls.
I've been on Talk Classical for a couple of years. Yes, there are too many polls and pointless "games" that some people seem to enjoy, but if you ignore them, which isn't difficult, there are some fairly interesting threads.
OK, I'll look again. But I expect to be the last man (there seem to be no women) standing in RMCR. I think my first post here (it was about music not politics or religion) was in 1997.
Orchman
2021-11-19 21:30:40 UTC
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RMCR...
I've looked at talkclassical but it doesn't seem interesting. Lots of polls. Anyplace else?"
I've been on TalkClassical for quite some time....it's the best I've found...yeah, some of them go nuts with the polls, but I just avoid those and stick to the music discussion boards/threads...
gggg gggg
2021-11-17 06:31:11 UTC
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RMCR...
In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.

Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR TRANSLATION which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English

If you can believe it, that series includes "Heart of Darkness" probably because young readers nowadays find the 1899 text just too difficult to fathom.

But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.

By the way, that series included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
gggg gggg
2021-11-17 06:34:39 UTC
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RMCR...
In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.

Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR TRANSLATION which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English

If you can believe it, that series includes "Heart of Darkness" probably because young readers nowadays find the 1899 text just too difficult to fathom.

But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.

By the way, that series also included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
gggg gggg
2021-11-17 06:40:16 UTC
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RMCR...
In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.

Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR LITERATURE which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English

If you can believe it, that series includes "Heart of Darkness" probably because young readers nowadays find the 1899 text just too difficult to fathom:

https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/#jumpTo-no-fear

But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was abridged(?!) and included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.

By the way, that series also included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
gggg gggg
2021-11-17 07:43:10 UTC
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Post by MELMOTH
RMCR...
In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.
Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR LITERATURE which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English
https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/#jumpTo-no-fear
But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was abridged(?!) and included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.
By the way, that series also included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
According to this, some consider TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD and OF MICE AND MEN to be 'dated':

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/if-scotlands-schools-are-to-drop-books-like-to-kill-a-mockingbird-they-must-resist-dumbing-down-cameron-wyllie-3300194
unknown
2021-11-19 02:40:15 UTC
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RMCR...
In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.
Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR LITERATURE which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English
https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/#jumpTo-no-fear
But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was abridged(?!) and included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.
By the way, that series also included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/if-scotlands-schools-are-to-drop-books-like-to-kill-a-mockingbird-they-must-resist-dumbing-down-cameron-wyllie-3300194
I've never read mockingbird but Of Mice And Men is dated because it has
no product references, bullet points, the soap opera drama of fashionable
people, or references to sexual practices. And it fails to have a twist
ending. Passe! If released today, critics would denounce it as declasse.
gggg gggg
2021-11-18 16:02:18 UTC
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RMCR...
In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.
Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR LITERATURE which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English
https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/#jumpTo-no-fear
But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was abridged(?!) and included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.
By the way, that series also included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
I don't want to sound like a snob, but to keep places like this going, one has to be literate and articulate.

Isn't that dying out in this society?

I am not a pro-E. Schwarzkopf person, but when she died and her Yahoo obit mentioned her Nazi ties, you simply couldn't BELIEVE the gross comments that followed in the Comments section. I suspect that they were made by younger persons who were just looking for an excuse to trash someone.

Not long after that, Yahoo discontinued the Comments section of their news items.

I only wonder why.
Herman
2021-11-18 16:38:13 UTC
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I don't want to sound like a snob, but to keep places like this going, one has to be fairly literate and articulate.
Isn't that dying out in this society?
Not that I know, but generally we would not know whether you are literate and / or articulate, because you carpetbomb RMCR with stupid links. Usually without even a scintilla of explanation why we should be interested.

What society needs in the first place more than people being literate, is people being aware they are not alone and can do whatever they please to the detriment of others. For years now you have been deluging this place with links about stuff that only interests you, the same two or three topics, without ever engaging with anybody else, just brain farting about the decline of culture without ever realizing that as far as RMCR is concerned you are 'soitenly' Exhibit A for the decline of culture and society.
Bob Harper
2021-11-19 23:27:21 UTC
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I don't want to sound like a snob, but to keep places like this going, one has to be fairly literate and articulate.
Isn't that dying out in this society?
Not that I know, but generally we would not know whether you are literate and / or articulate, because you carpetbomb RMCR with stupid links. Usually without even a scintilla of explanation why we should be interested.
What society needs in the first place more than people being literate, is people being aware they are not alone and can do whatever they please to the detriment of others. For years now you have been deluging this place with links about stuff that only interests you, the same two or three topics, without ever engaging with anybody else, just brain farting about the decline of culture without ever realizing that as far as RMCR is concerned you are 'soitenly' Exhibit A for the decline of culture and society.
Thank you, Herman. The G man is a pestilence.

Bob Harper
gggg gggg
2021-11-18 17:16:58 UTC
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In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.
Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR LITERATURE which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English
https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/#jumpTo-no-fear
But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was abridged(?!) and included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.
By the way, that series also included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
n a place that is supposed to be discussing classic movies, you can find the following topics:

- "Any examples of old films with a gun pointed at someone's head?",

- "Whipping scenes in movies",

- "Movies with fingers being cut off" [that topic has DOZENS of replies]

Can you believe it?
gggg gggg
2021-11-18 17:18:23 UTC
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RMCR...
In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.
Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR LITERATURE which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English
https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/#jumpTo-no-fear
But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was abridged(?!) and included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.
By the way, that series also included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
In a place that is supposed to be discussing classic movies, you can find the following topics:

- "Any examples of old films with a gun pointed at someone's head?",

- "Whipping scenes in movies",

- "Movies with fingers being cut off" [that topic has DOZENS of replies]

Can you believe it?
unknown
2021-11-19 02:46:04 UTC
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RMCR...
In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.
Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR LITERATURE which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English
https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/#jumpTo-no-fear
But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was abridged(?!) and included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.
By the way, that series also included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
I don't want to sound like a snob, but to keep places like this going, one has to be fairly literate and articulate.
Isn't that dying out in this society?
I am not a pro-E. Schwarzkopf person, but when she died and her Yahoo obit mentioned her Nazi ties, you simply couldn't BELIEVE the gross comments that followed in the Comments section. I suspect that they were made by younger persons who were just looking for an excuse to trash someone.
Not long after that, Yahoo discontinued the Comments section of their news items.
I only wonder why.
- "Any examples of old films with a gun pointed at someone's head?",
- "Whipping scenes in movies",
- "Movies with fingers being cut of" [that topic has DOZENS of replies]
Can you believe it?
Those sound like very old threads in the past-films newsgroup that you
revived by posting to those threads.
gggg gggg
2021-11-19 05:43:59 UTC
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RMCR...
In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.
Concerning literature study guides, there is a series called NO FEAR LITERATURE which includes "Beowulf" where the Old English text is on the left-hand page and facing it on the right-hand page is the text in modern English
https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/#jumpTo-no-fear
But then again, after "Love Story" came out, it was abridged(?!) and included in the Readers Digest Condensed Book series.
By the way, that series also included Lampedusa's "The Leopard" which is not a very long novel to begin with.
I don't want to sound like a snob, but to keep places like this going, one has to be fairly literate and articulate.
Isn't that dying out in this society?
I am not a pro-E. Schwarzkopf person, but when she died and her Yahoo obit mentioned her Nazi ties, you simply couldn't BELIEVE the gross comments that followed in the Comments section. I suspect that they were made by younger persons who were just looking for an excuse to trash someone.
Not long after that, Yahoo discontinued the Comments section of their news items.
I only wonder why.
- "Any examples of old films with a gun pointed at someone's head?",
- "Whipping scenes in movies",
- "Movies with fingers being cut of" [that topic has DOZENS of replies]
Can you believe it?
Those sound like very old threads in the past-films newsgroup that you
revived by posting to those threads.
I would NEVER post to those threads.

By the way, "Whipping scenes in movies" got over 60 replies.

I don't think those people listen to classical music.

Uh-uh.
gggg gggg
2021-11-27 01:49:14 UTC
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In the U.S., nobody talks about 'dumbing down' anymore because it's become only too obvious.
- The dumbing down of the country reflects itself on Broadway. The shows get dumber, and the public gets used to them.

Stephen Sondheim: 1930 - 2021

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/stephen-sondheim-a-giant-in-musical-theater-dies-at-91
unknown
2021-11-19 03:08:31 UTC
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You are welcome to post about something interesting, rather than waiting for
someone else to do it.

The very worst part of RMCR, other than occasional robo-posting, is the "cv"
arguments we've had years ago between TD and M, Abbedd and M, TD and the
opera guy, TD and DK, etc., that perhaps no one ever read through as they
offered no information other than "how dare you" accusations repeated over
and over for scores of articles. Are you missing that?

I'm listening, slowly, to the 70 CD Knappertsbusch box from Venias.
By the way, it was a part of a larger "complete" box which is
four boxes, all also issued separately, the only thing provided in
the complete box is another box, which I threw away; there was
no serial number on the complete box like there was supposed to be.

So I played movements of Rodzinski's Shostakovich 5 (recorded 1954) in
my car and someone who never heard it before said he liked it.
Classical Victory!
Dan Koren
2021-11-23 02:46:03 UTC
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Vive la revolution!

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