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MELMOTH
2021-04-07 13:21:19 UTC
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This violinistic firework has very often been honored on recordings, in
its various configurations...Versions with orchestra (which ended up
imposing itself in front of the original violin (Lutheran, with
sonorities close to those of the cymbalum)/piano duet), which will have
the privilege of appearing at the top of MY CHOICES...
I will retain only 8 recordings, among the hundred of my
collection...And I will be brief, for once...I am tired...Too many
sleepless nights, you see...And I am not young anymore, eh...

In ascending order of interest :

*KYUNG WHA CHUNG* (Decca 1979)...Too declamatory for my taste...Even if
the orchestral accompaniment of Dutoit (a conductor I have never, but
then NEVER liked!) is satisfactory...But there is no imagination (yet
Dutoit is quite skillful, in Ravel, usually)...

*ITZHAK PERLMAN* (EMI 1974)...Fast...StraightforwardAccompaniment
uneven and imprecise (yet it is a great specialist of French music :
Jean Martinon)...

*MICHAEL RABIN* (Testament 1957)...Tonic...Elegant...But very little
fantasy...

*ZINO FRANCESCATTI* (Sony 1965)...One of my favorite violinists,
familiar with this score...Fast, spontaneous, demonstrative...Lenny's
flamboyant accompaniment...But slight lack of nuances...

*FRANK PETER ZIMMERMANN* (Warner 1990)...Panache...Lyricism...Intense
and natural...(the conductor Gianluigi Gelmetti is not well known)...

*HENRYK SZERYNG* (Philips 1969)...God knows if this violinist has been
criticized by the critics ! (and even sometimes by his peers!)...But
here, what a lesson of style!...Impressive virtuosity...Alas, the
orchestra and its conductor (Remoortel, well forgotten) are of a
rheumatic heaviness...

*ISAAC STERN* (Sony 1957)...I heard him in 1967 (as an encore!) at the
Tivoli in Copenhagen, when I was completely drunk after a visit to the
Tuborg factories!)...Passionate and generous bow...In total osmosis
with a masterly orchestra (Ormandy/Philadelphia)...

And finally, he is also one of my favorite violinists:

*CHRISTIAN FERRAS* (Decca 1953)...Yes...I know...Still "cave"
artists...(George Sebastian is also a well forgotten conductor, great
Mahlerian before the eternal)...But what do you want... The freedom of
tone...The fantasy...The rhapsodic commitment...The ardent
sensitivity...We are on the highest peaks, there...I can't help it if
we have probably never done better, eh...

I have discarded dozens of
recordings...Grumiaux/Fournet/Rosenthal...Oistrakh/Kondrachine...Haendel/Ancerl...Amoyal/Jordan...Accardo/Abbado...Repin/Nagano...Capuçon/Harding...Dumay/Rosenthal
etc...Etc...
Herman
2021-04-07 13:39:24 UTC
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This violinistic firework has very often been honored on recordings, in
its various configurations...Versions with orchestra (which ended up
imposing itself in front of the original violin (Lutheran, with
sonorities close to those of the cymbalum)/piano duet), which will have
the privilege of appearing at the top of MY CHOICES...
I will retain only 8 recordings, among the hundred of my
collection...And I will be brief, for once...I am tired...Too many
sleepless nights, you see...And I am not young anymore, eh...
*KYUNG WHA CHUNG* (Decca 1979)...Too declamatory for my taste...Even if
the orchestral accompaniment of Dutoit (a conductor I have never, but
then NEVER liked!) is satisfactory...But there is no imagination (yet
Dutoit is quite skillful, in Ravel, usually)...
*ITZHAK PERLMAN* (EMI 1974)...Fast...StraightforwardAccompaniment
Jean Martinon)...
*MICHAEL RABIN* (Testament 1957)...Tonic...Elegant...But very little
fantasy...
*ZINO FRANCESCATTI* (Sony 1965)...One of my favorite violinists,
familiar with this score...Fast, spontaneous, demonstrative...Lenny's
flamboyant accompaniment...But slight lack of nuances...
*FRANK PETER ZIMMERMANN* (Warner 1990)...Panache...Lyricism...Intense
and natural...(the conductor Gianluigi Gelmetti is not well known)...
*HENRYK SZERYNG* (Philips 1969)...God knows if this violinist has been
criticized by the critics ! (and even sometimes by his peers!).
Herman
2021-04-07 13:41:34 UTC
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*HENRYK SZERYNG* (Philips 1969)...God knows if this violinist has been
criticized by the critics ! (and even sometimes by his peers!)...
Szeryng's reputation has always been very high.
JohnGavin
2021-04-07 13:56:00 UTC
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*HENRYK SZERYNG* (Philips 1969)...God knows if this violinist has been
criticized by the critics ! (and even sometimes by his peers!)...
Szeryng's reputation has always been very high.
Just one Szeryng recording struck me as not so good - the Kreisler LP on Mercury. Much too straight-laced, rubato-less und unsmiling.
Chris from Lafayette
2021-04-07 20:31:47 UTC
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*HENRYK SZERYNG* (Philips 1969)...God knows if this violinist has been
criticized by the critics ! (and even sometimes by his peers!)...
Szeryng's reputation has always been very high.
Just one Szeryng recording struck me as not so good - the Kreisler LP on Mercury. Much too straight-laced, rubato-less und unsmiling.
Another word for Szeryng's playing is "patrician" - in contrast to the plebian tendencies of some other violinists. ;-)
MELMOTH
2021-04-07 15:02:57 UTC
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Szeryng's reputation has always been very high.
es, I know it well!...
But Menuhin used to say that when he and his fellow violinists couldn't
recognize the style of the violinist playing on the radio, they would
automatically deduce Szeryng... And they were almost always right!...
Herman
2021-04-07 18:39:46 UTC
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Post by Herman
Szeryng's reputation has always been very high.
es, I know it well!...
But Menuhin used to say that when he and his fellow violinists couldn't
recognize the style of the violinist playing on the radio, they would
automatically deduce Szeryng... And they were almost always right!...
This has all the hallmarks of a spurious anecdote, like so many musical anecdotes this most likely never happened.
Chris from Lafayette
2021-04-07 20:37:18 UTC
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On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:03:01 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:

. . . Menuhin used to say that when he and his fellow violinists couldn't
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recognize the style of the violinist playing on the radio, they would
automatically deduce Szeryng... And they were almost always right!...
This certainly doesn't strike me as something which Menuhin, with his generosity of spirit, would say. OTOH, I DID hear Perlman tell exactly this same story (without any reference to Menuhin). I should have asked my teacher, who was Menuhin's accompanist during and just after WWII, about this. In any case, it's a cheap disparagement.
Frank Berger
2021-04-07 20:46:29 UTC
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. . . Menuhin used to say that when he and his fellow violinists couldn't
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recognize the style of the violinist playing on the radio, they would
automatically deduce Szeryng... And they were almost always right!...
This certainly doesn't strike me as something which Menuhin, with his generosity of spirit, would say.
Is that statement necessarily disparagement?



OTOH, I DID hear Perlman tell exactly this same story (without any reference to Menuhin). I should have asked my teacher, who was Menuhin's accompanist during and just after WWII, about this. In any case, it's a cheap disparagement.
Chris from Lafayette
2021-04-08 18:09:12 UTC
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. . . Menuhin used to say that when he and his fellow violinists couldn't
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recognize the style of the violinist playing on the radio, they would
automatically deduce Szeryng... And they were almost always right!...
This certainly doesn't strike me as something which Menuhin, with his generosity of spirit, would say.
Is that statement necessarily disparagement?
Not necessarily, but likely IMHO. It certainly reads to me as being on the catty side. Of course it's hard to tell for sure.
Frank Berger
2021-04-08 19:35:45 UTC
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. . . Menuhin used to say that when he and his fellow violinists couldn't
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recognize the style of the violinist playing on the radio, they would
automatically deduce Szeryng... And they were almost always right!...
This certainly doesn't strike me as something which Menuhin, with his generosity of spirit, would say.
Is that statement necessarily disparagement?
Not necessarily, but likely IMHO. It certainly reads to me as being on the catty side. Of course it's hard to tell for sure.
Making this up: Szigeti is a perfect violinist. All others have imperfections which are characteristic and recognizable. Absent those it must be Szigeti.

Or not.
Herman
2021-04-08 20:02:36 UTC
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Making this up: Szigeti is a perfect violinist. All others have imperfections which are characteristic and recognizable. Absent those it must be Szigeti.
Szeryng
Frank Berger
2021-04-08 21:31:39 UTC
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Making this up: Szigeti is a perfect violinist. All others have imperfections which are characteristic and recognizable. Absent those it must be Szigeti.
Szeryng
Szeryng, Schmering. They all look alike to me.
Frank Lekens
2021-04-13 19:17:52 UTC
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Let me topquote for a change.

How about Kopatchinskaja?


(Two young violinists discussing this performance her:


Incidentally, she can be heard playing two Beethoven violin sonatas live
tomorrow afternoon on BBC 3. Eager to hear that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000v2z7
--
Frank Lekens

http://fmlekens.home.xs4all.nl/
https://franklekens.blogspot.nl/
Post by MELMOTH
This violinistic firework has very often been honored on recordings, in
its various configurations...Versions with orchestra (which ended up
imposing itself in front of the original violin (Lutheran, with
sonorities close to those of the cymbalum)/piano duet), which will have
the privilege of appearing at the top of MY CHOICES...
I will retain only 8 recordings, among the hundred of my
collection...And I will be brief, for once...I am tired...Too many
sleepless nights, you see...And I am not young anymore, eh...
*KYUNG WHA CHUNG* (Decca 1979)...Too declamatory for my taste...Even if
the orchestral accompaniment of Dutoit (a conductor I have never, but
then NEVER liked!) is satisfactory...But there is no imagination (yet
Dutoit is quite skillful, in Ravel, usually)...
*ITZHAK PERLMAN* (EMI 1974)...Fast...StraightforwardAccompaniment uneven
and imprecise (yet it is a great specialist of French music : Jean
Martinon)...
*MICHAEL RABIN* (Testament 1957)...Tonic...Elegant...But very little
fantasy...
*ZINO FRANCESCATTI* (Sony 1965)...One of my favorite violinists,
familiar with this score...Fast, spontaneous, demonstrative...Lenny's
flamboyant accompaniment...But slight lack of nuances...
*FRANK PETER ZIMMERMANN* (Warner 1990)...Panache...Lyricism...Intense
and natural...(the conductor Gianluigi Gelmetti is not well known)...
*HENRYK SZERYNG* (Philips 1969)...God knows if this violinist has been
criticized by the critics ! (and even sometimes by his peers!)...But
here, what a lesson of style!...Impressive virtuosity...Alas, the
orchestra and its conductor (Remoortel, well forgotten) are of a
rheumatic heaviness...
*ISAAC STERN* (Sony 1957)...I heard him in 1967 (as an encore!) at the
Tivoli in Copenhagen, when I was completely drunk after a visit to the
Tuborg factories!)...Passionate and generous bow...In total osmosis with
a masterly orchestra (Ormandy/Philadelphia)...
*CHRISTIAN FERRAS* (Decca 1953)...Yes...I know...Still "cave"
artists...(George Sebastian is also a well forgotten conductor, great
Mahlerian before the eternal)...But what do you want... The freedom of
tone...The fantasy...The rhapsodic commitment...The ardent
sensitivity...We are on the highest peaks, there...I can't help it if we
have probably never done better, eh...
I have discarded dozens of
recordings...Grumiaux/Fournet/Rosenthal...Oistrakh/Kondrachine...Haendel/Ancerl...Amoyal/Jordan...Accardo/Abbado...Repin/Nagano...Capuçon/Harding...Dumay/Rosenthal
etc...Etc...
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