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KARAJAN RING REMASTERS
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RANDY WOLFGANG
2020-01-03 18:05:58 UTC
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I have the Karajan Ring cycle on DG Originals which if I read correctly was remastered in 1989. Does anyone know if the Eloquence reissue is a new remastering - the blu ray seems to be OOP.
weary flake
2020-01-03 18:16:03 UTC
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Post by RANDY WOLFGANG
I have the Karajan Ring cycle on DG Originals which if I read correctly
was remastered in 1989. Does anyone know if the Eloquence reissue is a
new remastering - the blu ray seems to be OOP.
The Originals is from 1998.
RANDY WOLFGANG
2020-01-03 18:53:04 UTC
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Post by weary flake
Post by RANDY WOLFGANG
I have the Karajan Ring cycle on DG Originals which if I read correctly
was remastered in 1989. Does anyone know if the Eloquence reissue is a
new remastering - the blu ray seems to be OOP.
The Originals is from 1998.
I wonder if the Eloquence is later and better
wkasimer
2020-01-03 22:23:57 UTC
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Post by RANDY WOLFGANG
Post by weary flake
The Originals is from 1998.
I wonder if the Eloquence is later and better
It's certainly later - it was issued in 2016. As for the sonics, I compared it back then to the Originals issue. While I noted some improvement, it was pretty subtle, and I'm sure that it'd be hard to detect on any non-high end audio system.
RANDY WOLFGANG
2020-01-03 22:32:10 UTC
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Post by wkasimer
Post by RANDY WOLFGANG
Post by weary flake
The Originals is from 1998.
I wonder if the Eloquence is later and better
It's certainly later - it was issued in 2016. As for the sonics, I compared it back then to the Originals issue. While I noted some improvement, it was pretty subtle, and I'm sure that it'd be hard to detect on any non-high end audio system.
Hmmm sounds like not worth replacing; haven't heard any of the blu ray though
j***@hotmail.com
2020-01-04 14:43:22 UTC
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The blu-ray shows a modest improvement in overall fidelity, but it also reveals more deficiencies in the original tape and engineering. So it’s somewhat of a mixed bag in my opinion.
RANDY WOLFGANG
2020-01-04 14:49:45 UTC
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Post by j***@hotmail.com
The blu-ray shows a modest improvement in overall fidelity, but it also reveals more deficiencies in the original tape and engineering. So it’s somewhat of a mixed bag in my opinion.
Thx sounds like I'll stick with my Originals CDs
Alex Brown
2020-01-05 08:56:15 UTC
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Post by RANDY WOLFGANG
Post by j***@hotmail.com
The blu-ray shows a modest improvement in overall fidelity, but it also reveals more deficiencies in the original tape and engineering. So it’s somewhat of a mixed bag in my opinion.
Thx sounds like I'll stick with my Originals CDs
It's always sounded pretty good, in a slightly antiseptic &
over-reverberant kind of way. If somebody (Pristine?) could so some work
on a live Karajan Ring that might be a more interesting prospect - I
have the Salzburg performances on Memories and the poor stereo sound
"feels" like it has more to give ...
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- Alex Brown
weary flake
2020-01-05 09:18:30 UTC
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Post by RANDY WOLFGANG
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The blu-ray shows a modest improvement in overall fidelity, but it also
reveals more deficiencies in the original tape and engineering. So it’s
somewhat of a mixed bag in my opinion.
Thx sounds like I'll stick with my Originals CDs
There's the first DG release on CDs, made in West Germany.
Maybe the first CD release has the best sound of all?
Why assume that later mastering is better?
wkasimer
2020-01-05 17:46:11 UTC
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Post by weary flake
There's the first DG release on CDs, made in West Germany.
Maybe the first CD release has the best sound of all?
Why assume that later mastering is better?
I'm not assuming. I've listened to all three RBCD issues, and compared them.
j***@gmail.com
2020-01-05 15:17:36 UTC
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Post by RANDY WOLFGANG
I have the Karajan Ring cycle on DG Originals which if I read correctly was remastered in 1989. Does anyone know if the Eloquence reissue is a new remastering - the blu ray seems to be OOP.
The Karajan Ring is available on HD FLAC 96 remastered download - quite impressive.

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8167213--wagner-der-ring-des-nibelungen

96 kHz / 24-bit PCM – DG Studio Masters

Executive Producer: Otto Gerdes
Recording Producer: Hans Weber
Tonmeister (Balance Engineer): Günter Hermanns
English translation of the libretto © 1996 Stewart Spencer Original
arel64
2020-01-14 17:49:31 UTC
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For your comparison, I uploaded the fragment from the First Act of Gotterdammerung in four different versions.

1) LP transfer
2) First CD transfer from 1989
3) Second CD transfer from 1998 (AKA The Originals)
https://mega.nz/#!dPpGzKxL!Iyyx89GzDKWzfvNwjj2OT56XWe1sQivkc26A55F98kc

4) 24/96 Hi-Res Download (which is the same remastering as the Blu-ray edition)
https://mega.nz/#!RSQCGCYZ!XQbNwM806r4ZPrc8kxLGJGqNHAaDZ-ed9fKdTIFPsXk

It is my understanding that the Eloquence reissue contains the Red Book version of the recent Hi-Res/Blu-ray remastering (correct me if I am mistaken).

Each subsequent digital version is superior to the previous one IMO, but the differences are subtle.
arel64
2020-06-27 06:05:56 UTC
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Contrary to the advertisement, the recent Die Walkure Blu-ray+CD combo is the same 24/96 remastering as the complete Ring published on Blu-ray previously.

Here are the scans from the stand-alone Die Walkure box:

https://ibb.co/T1RMsvP

https://ibb.co/FbRF3KZ
drh8h
2020-06-27 13:23:41 UTC
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Post by arel64
Contrary to the advertisement, the recent Die Walkure Blu-ray+CD combo is the same 24/96 remastering as the complete Ring published on Blu-ray previously.
https://ibb.co/T1RMsvP
https://ibb.co/FbRF3KZ
And ditto for the Kleiber Freischütz: same as the previous Kleiber complete recordings blu-ray.
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