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Big Berlioz Box
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Jim Paul
2018-11-14 23:14:08 UTC
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Coming in the new year.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9b2lp2l
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-15 19:41:26 UTC
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Coming in the new year.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9b2lp2l
Looks like a Brilliant Classics box. Blech.
Frank Berger
2018-11-15 19:44:52 UTC
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Post by Jim Paul
Coming in the new year.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9b2lp2l
Looks like a Brilliant Classics box. Blech.
There are hundreds of Brilliant boxes, many of which make available
(often in unadulterated sound) material not otherwise available. I
wouldn't be so dismissive.
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-16 00:18:08 UTC
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There are hundreds of Brilliant boxes, many of which make available
(often in unadulterated sound) material not otherwise available. I
wouldn't be so dismissive.
No, no, I meant that precisely- I was talking about looks. Brilliant has plenty of great music. I know that makes me a bit silly. But we know what Brilliant's product looks like, right? It communicates its price point by its blandness. This also seems to have come out as generic and flavorless as possible.
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-16 00:20:01 UTC
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No, no, I meant that precisely- I was talking about looks. Brilliant has plenty of great music. I know that makes me a bit silly. But we know what Brilliant's product looks like, right? It communicates its price point by its blandness. This also seems to have come out as generic and flavorless as possible.
Come to think of it, what does J.M.W. Turner have to do with Hector? This question has been crawling around in my head as well.
MiNe109
2018-11-16 00:52:12 UTC
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No, no, I meant that precisely- I was talking about looks.
Brilliant has plenty of great music. I know that makes me a bit
silly. But we know what Brilliant's product looks like, right? It
communicates its price point by its blandness. This also seems to
have come out as generic and flavorless as possible.
Come to think of it, what does J.M.W. Turner have to do with Hector?
This question has been crawling around in my head as well.
https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/turner-childe-harolds-pilgrimage-italy-n00516
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-16 15:43:43 UTC
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https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/turner-childe-harolds-pilgrimage-italy-n00516
OK, but I'd wager that if we looked at each work included, only an handful would make sense. Start at the bottom left. Peace - Burial at Sea has no Berlioz connection. Maybe they wanted to do all-Courbet but couldn't get the rights. In any case, the look of the box is dreary, and doesn't even do much with what they have.
MiNe109
2018-11-16 20:36:51 UTC
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Post by MiNe109
https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/turner-childe-harolds-pilgrimage-italy-n00516
OK, but I'd wager that if we looked at each work included, only an
handful would make sense. Start at the bottom left. Peace - Burial at
Sea has no Berlioz connection. Maybe they wanted to do all-Courbet
but couldn't get the rights. In any case, the look of the box is
dreary, and doesn't even do much with what they have.
I haven't seen the box, but was happy to realize Turner and Berlioz
shared Harold and Dido as subjects.
m***@icloud.com
2018-11-16 11:57:51 UTC
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No, no, I meant that precisely- I was talking about looks. Brilliant has plenty of great music. I know that makes me a bit silly. But we know what Brilliant's product looks like, right? It communicates its price point by its blandness. This also seems to have come out as generic and flavorless as possible.
Come to think of it, what does J.M.W. Turner have to do with Hector? This question has been crawling around in my head as well.
https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/joseph-mallord-william-turner-dido-building-carthage
n***@gmail.com
2018-11-16 19:29:24 UTC
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No, no, I meant that precisely- I was talking about looks. Brilliant has plenty of great music. I know that makes me a bit silly. But we know what Brilliant's product looks like, right? It communicates its price point by its blandness. This also seems to have come out as generic and flavorless as possible.
Come to think of it, what does J.M.W. Turner have to do with Hector? This question has been crawling around in my head as well.
For that matter what did/does Leonard Bernstein or Sony have to do with 'His Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales'?
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-21 20:34:58 UTC
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For that matter what did/does Leonard Bernstein or Sony have to do with 'His Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales'?
Good point. But for me, even if those covers were unattractive, they didn't look cheap. I'm a bit fascinated by design that screams "budget buy" (to my mind, admittedly) because there is often nothing objectively wrong with it. I deal with similar concerns in my job as a designer, so I admit this is personal.
Frank Berger
2018-11-21 21:51:14 UTC
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No, no, I meant that precisely- I was talking about looks. Brilliant has plenty of great music. I know that makes me a bit silly. But we know what Brilliant's product looks like, right? It communicates its price point by its blandness. This also seems to have come out as generic and flavorless as possible.
Come to think of it, what does J.M.W. Turner have to do with Hector? This question has been crawling around in my head as well.
For that matter what did/does Leonard Bernstein or Sony have to do with 'His Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales'?
One does wonder at the thought process that resulted in using Prince
Charles lend importance to Bernstein's ouevre.
Herman
2018-12-01 16:38:32 UTC
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One does wonder at the thought process that resulted in using Prince
Charles lend importance to Bernstein's oeuvre.
It may have been the other way around, Prince Charles trying to acquire some relevance by associating himself with Bernstein.

This is a man who travels with his own toilet seat and gets served ten boiled eggs every morning, so he can pick the one that's just right.
Bob Harper
2018-12-04 03:36:59 UTC
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Post by Frank Berger
One does wonder at the thought process that resulted in using Prince
Charles lend importance to Bernstein's oeuvre.
It may have been the other way around, Prince Charles trying to acquire some relevance by associating himself with Bernstein.
This is a man who travels with his own toilet seat and gets served ten boiled eggs every morning, so he can pick the one that's just right.
And in which tabloid did you read these nuggets, Herman ? :)

Bob Harper
Frank Berger
2018-12-04 03:50:37 UTC
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One does wonder at the thought process that resulted in using Prince
Charles lend importance to Bernstein's oeuvre.
It may have been the other way around, Prince Charles trying to
acquire some relevance by associating himself with Bernstein.
This is a man who travels with his own toilet seat and gets served ten
boiled eggs every morning, so he can pick the one that's just right.
And in which tabloid did you read these nuggets, Herman ? :)
Bob Harper
In response to being questioned about that, the Prince exclaimed, "Oh,
don't believe that crap."
Herman
2018-12-04 09:02:42 UTC
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Post by Herman
This is a man who travels with his own toilet seat and gets served ten boiled eggs every morning, so he can pick the one that's just right.
And in which tabloid did you read these nuggets, Herman ? :)
Bob Harper
It must have been a British tabloid, so it must be true.

Prince Charles is not a popular figure in the UK.

People are hoping the crown skips a generation, right on to William's head.
Herman
2018-12-04 09:17:13 UTC
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Well, I have done due diligence. The "his own toilet seat" story is from Tom Bower's biography, published earlier this year (2018).

Amusingly the prince vigorously denied the toilet seat story on a trip to Australia, a place royals often visit to clear the record (25 years ago a Dutch prince consort gave a press conference in Australia to vigorously deny he would ever do such a thing as wear grey shoes).

I cannot help but notice that what Charles is denying is that he "carries" the toilet seat, which is obviously something different entirely.
Herman
2018-12-04 09:19:19 UTC
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I cannot help but notice that what Charles is denying is that he "carries" the toilet seat, which is obviously something different entirely.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5579833/Prince-Charles-discusses-carrying-toilet-seat-Australia.html

Camilla looks very nice in these beach pictures.
O
2018-12-04 12:22:31 UTC
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Post by Herman
Well, I have done due diligence. The "his own toilet seat" story is from Tom
Bower's biography, published earlier this year (2018).
Amusingly the prince vigorously denied the toilet seat story on a trip to
Australia, a place royals often visit to clear the record (25 years ago a
Dutch prince consort gave a press conference in Australia to vigorously deny
he would ever do such a thing as wear grey shoes).
I cannot help but notice that what Charles is denying is that he "carries"
the toilet seat, which is obviously something different entirely.
Thank God we got to the bottom of this one.

-Owen
g***@gmail.com
2018-12-04 19:04:47 UTC
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Post by Herman
Well, I have done due diligence. The "his own toilet seat" story is from Tom
Bower's biography, published earlier this year (2018).
Amusingly the prince vigorously denied the toilet seat story on a trip to
Australia, a place royals often visit to clear the record (25 years ago a
Dutch prince consort gave a press conference in Australia to vigorously deny
he would ever do such a thing as wear grey shoes).
I cannot help but notice that what Charles is denying is that he "carries"
the toilet seat, which is obviously something different entirely.
Thank God we got to the bottom of this one.
-Owen
https://www.google.com/search?q=quotes+prince+charles&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=XER28qCaH1mUdM%253A%252CUhvk0H6574wm_M%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRWoNwC1IGH0CgnVrrSkIUYMszoww&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwihscKS64bfAhWS0VQKHS7rB3EQ9QEwBXoECAEQBA#imgrc=6jnhKAHSuW6yrM:
g***@gmail.com
2018-12-04 20:43:09 UTC
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Post by Herman
Well, I have done due diligence. The "his own toilet seat" story is from Tom
Bower's biography, published earlier this year (2018).
Amusingly the prince vigorously denied the toilet seat story on a trip to
Australia, a place royals often visit to clear the record (25 years ago a
Dutch prince consort gave a press conference in Australia to vigorously deny
he would ever do such a thing as wear grey shoes).
I cannot help but notice that what Charles is denying is that he "carries"
the toilet seat, which is obviously something different entirely.
Thank God we got to the bottom of this one.
-Owen
He obviously doesn't mind getting egg on his face, does he.
g***@gmail.com
2019-02-24 23:02:24 UTC
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This is a man who travels with his own toilet seat and gets served ten boiled eggs every morning, so he can pick the one that's just right.
And in which tabloid did you read these nuggets, Herman ? :)
Bob Harper
It must have been a British tabloid, so it must be true.
Prince Charles is not a popular figure in the UK.
People are hoping the crown skips a generation, right on to William's head.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/10/where-prince-charles-went-wrong
Frank Berger
2018-11-16 03:20:15 UTC
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There are hundreds of Brilliant boxes, many of which make available
(often in unadulterated sound) material not otherwise available. I
wouldn't be so dismissive.
No, no, I meant that precisely- I was talking about looks. Brilliant has plenty of great music. I know that makes me a bit silly. But we know what Brilliant's product looks like, right? It communicates its price point by its blandness. This also seems to have come out as generic and flavorless as possible.
I see and agree. When these boxes come to my attention I usually try to
find used copies of the original releases. In fact, I just ordered the
Shostakovich Quartet recordings of the Shostakovich String Quartets on
the various Olympia releases rather than the later collection.
Randy Lane
2018-11-15 19:45:35 UTC
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Post by Jim Paul
Coming in the new year.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9b2lp2l
Looks like a Brilliant Classics box. Blech.
But it is Warner.

And has some top flight newer stuff, like the Nelson opera recordings.
Tassilo
2018-11-17 05:19:41 UTC
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And has some top flight newer stuff, like the Nelson opera recordings.
Nelson is not my idea of a major conductor of Berlioz for all of his interest in the composer.

-dg
John Fowler
2018-11-17 11:50:15 UTC
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Post by Jim Paul
Coming in the new year.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9b2lp2l
This will include the first recording of Berlioz' incomplete (30 minutes) opera "La nonne sanglante"
Warner Japan:
https://wmg.jp/compi/discography/20248/

where it is translated as "The Bloody Nude"
Google translates it as "The Bloody Nun"
Jerry
2018-11-18 02:53:22 UTC
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Post by Jim Paul
Coming in the new year.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9b2lp2l
This will include the first recording of Berlioz' incomplete (30 minutes) opera "La nonne sanglante"
https://wmg.jp/compi/discography/20248/
where it is translated as "The Bloody Nude"
Google translates it as "The Bloody Nun"
A possibly more accurate list of contents now at Amazon.fr

https://www.amazon.fr/Berlioz-Complete-Works-Yutaka-Sado/dp/B07JZB1VWN/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542507696&sr=8-1&keywords=berlioz+warner

Jerry
Alan Dawes
2018-11-18 12:01:24 UTC
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Post by Jim Paul
Coming in the new year.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9b2lp2l
This will include the first recording of Berlioz' incomplete (30
https://wmg.jp/compi/discography/20248/
where it is translated as "The Bloody Nude" Google translates it as
"The Bloody Nun"
A possibly more accurate list of contents now at Amazon.fr
https://www.amazon.fr/Berlioz-Complete-Works-Yutaka-Sado/dp/B07JZB1VWN/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542507696&sr=8-1&keywords=berlioz+warner
Or the amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Berlioz-Complete-Works-Yutaka-Sado/dp/B07JZB1VWN/

Not necessarily the most inspiring recordings but probably a good
introduction to Berlioz which hopefully will inspire a new comer to
explore other recordings.

Alan
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John Fowler
2018-11-29 14:52:44 UTC
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Video from Warner:


Frank Berger
2018-11-29 15:21:33 UTC
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http://youtu.be/1qvIoC5DXiM
Where is Matthew Tepper when we need him? Actually I see he is active on
Twitter and Facebook.
Oscar
2019-03-04 05:14:20 UTC
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Where is Matthew Tepper when we need him? Actually I see he is active on
Twitter and Facebook.
Mr. Tepper is now married and too good for us. He has thrown his lot in with the erstwhile Stenroos group on Facebook (which also features several other AWOL rmcr stalwarts). Conversation and meaningful back-and-forth, not to mention any usable kind of search function, is _not_ user-friendly on that platform. And then there's Stenroos's trademark full-of-it self-importance. I'm "serious about this."

<< July 1, 2018
Dear Members -
Reminder (for the hundredth time): you MUST include a meaningful comment with any OP you add to the group conversation. OPs that consist only of a link to an off-group source with no comment from the poster will be deleted immediately. The comment must be meaningful, ie: something that will start a discussion. Comments along the lines of (and limited to) “look what I bought,” “I like this recording” or “what do you think of Offenbach?” are not considered to be meaningful, and will lead to your OP being deleted immediately.
We’re serious about this.
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John Fowler
2018-12-01 15:54:43 UTC
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I've compared the French, UK, German and Japanese Amazon contents listings.
Two important Berlioz compositions are missing in all four:
-- 'Les Francs Juges' incomplete opera: a half-hour of fragments survive (and were broadcast by the BBC in 1970)
-- Berlioz composed a new Prelude for use when 'Les Troyens' was split over two nights. Prelude to 'Les Troyens à Carthage’ (Acts 3-5 of the original opera). Recorded by Colin Davis, Charles Dutoit and Yoav Talmi (Naxos).
Doesn't mean they won't be in the finished box.
Still waiting for Warner's website to provide track listings.
Jerry
2018-12-04 04:44:43 UTC
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I've compared the French, UK, German and Japanese Amazon contents listings.
-- 'Les Francs Juges' incomplete opera: a half-hour of fragments survive (and were broadcast by the BBC in 1970)
-- Berlioz composed a new Prelude for use when 'Les Troyens' was split over two nights. Prelude to 'Les Troyens à Carthage’ (Acts 3-5 of the original opera). Recorded by Colin Davis, Charles Dutoit and Yoav Talmi (Naxos).
Doesn't mean they won't be in the finished box.
Still waiting for Warner's website to provide track listings.
And, from the Gramophone review (re: latest Erato "Troyens"):

Erato is perhaps a little naughty in describing the score as ‘absolutely complete’, an accolade surely only true of Charles Dutoit’s recording, which includes the scene where Sinon, a Greek spy, convinces the Trojans that the wooden horse must be brought inside the city (a scene which Berlioz cut from the score in 1861) and the Act 3 prelude, composed for the 1863 performance of Acts 3 to 5, The Trojans at Carthage.

Jerry
g***@gmail.com
2018-12-25 06:50:01 UTC
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Coming in the new year.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9b2lp2l
The only thing by Berlioz that I never get tired of listening to is "D'amour l'ardente flamme."

From time to time, CLASSIC ARTS SHOWCASE would telecast Crespin singing it and she was simply the epitomy of French sophistication.
John Fowler
2019-02-07 12:01:17 UTC
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I may have found a defective CD in Warner's new 27 CD box of "Berlioz Complete Works".
CD 4, track 15 develops a loud crackling sound @ 40 seconds, which continues to the end of the disc.
I experienced this same problem on four different players.
There is no visible flaw on the disc.
HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM OR IS IT JUST MY DISC?
Fortunately this does not affect one of the Berlioz rarities - instead Muti's Philadelphia recording of Romeo & Juliet.
Still annoying.
weary flake
2019-02-07 18:10:28 UTC
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I may have found a defective CD in Warner's new 27 CD box of "Berlioz Complete Works".
continues to the end of the disc.
I experienced this same problem on four different players.
There is no visible flaw on the disc.
HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM OR IS IT JUST MY DISC?
Fortunately this does not affect one of the Berlioz rarities - instead
Muti's Philadelphia recording of Romeo & Juliet.
Still annoying.
You could try filing a return for the box and wait till you get the replacement
box for comparing the replacement disc. I often do this because box sets
often enough have circular scratches, gouge marks, etc., and the replacement
set may have suspect discs that the first set look OK on. If the new set
has the same defective CD 4 for the Berlioz box, please report it to us.
John Fowler
2019-02-07 18:35:52 UTC
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Amazon has a thirty day window for returns, so I will wait four weeks and listen to the other CDs before returning the box.
Oscar
2019-03-04 04:46:46 UTC
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Amazon has a thirty day window for returns, so I will wait four weeks and listen to the other CDs before
returning the box.
Mr. Fowler, your review of this set on Amazon US is one of the finest I've read, in any forum or periodical. Thank you!

Any update on the defective CDs? This set is now priced at $57.63 by the aforementioned e-tailer.
Oscar
2019-03-04 04:49:44 UTC
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P.S. I also should like to note that Gramophone included a cover-mount CD in its latest issue, mailed to me from U.K. It has been at least six years since Gramophone discontinued it's cover-mount discs. In addition, one may download the contents of the disc, gratis, from Gramophone servers. Warner Classics is pushing this set hard (not hardly!).
Frank Berger
2019-03-04 05:01:03 UTC
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P.S. I also should like to note that Gramophone included a cover-mount CD in its latest issue, mailed to me from U.K. It has been at least six years since Gramophone discontinued it's cover-mount discs. In addition, one may download the contents of the disc, gratis, from Gramophone servers. Warner Classics is pushing this set hard (not hardly!).
Sounds like you're introducing a story suitable for the collection of
time-travel short stories by Jack Finney I just finished.
m***@gmail.com
2019-03-04 10:46:23 UTC
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Post by John Fowler
Amazon has a thirty day window for returns, so I will wait four weeks and listen to the other CDs before
returning the box.
Mr. Fowler, your review of this set on Amazon US is one of the finest I've read, in any forum or periodical. Thank you!
Any update on the defective CDs? This set is now priced at $57.63 by the aforementioned e-tailer.
Fowler is one of the best reviewers on Amazon
Gerard
2019-03-04 12:07:13 UTC
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Post by Oscar
Post by John Fowler
Amazon has a thirty day window for returns, so I will wait four weeks and listen to the other CDs before
returning the box.
Mr. Fowler, your review of this set on Amazon US is one of the finest I've read, in any forum or periodical. Thank you!
Any update on the defective CDs? This set is now priced at $57.63 by the aforementioned e-tailer.
Fowler is one of the best reviewers on Amazon
But there is a second reviewer of this Berlioz box there:
Matthew B. Tepper

Randy Lane
2019-02-07 18:45:40 UTC
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Mine came yesterday. Will check that disc tonight.
Randy Lane
2019-02-07 21:47:22 UTC
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Track 15 of my copy plays perfectly.
Since it is the last track, and length is short at < 2 minutes, you mightntry cleaning the disk with wood alcohol and a cotton swab.
John Fowler
2019-02-07 13:13:21 UTC
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I may have found a defective CD in Warner's new 27 CD box of "Berlioz Complete Works".
CD 4, track 15 develops a loud crackling sound @ 40 seconds, which continues to the end of the disc.
I experienced this same problem on four different players.
There is no visible flaw on the disc.
HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM OR IS IT JUST MY DISC?
Fortunately this does not affect one of the Berlioz rarities - instead Muti's Philadelphia recording of Romeo & Juliet.
Still annoying.
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