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Another fav Mozart opera recordings update
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Zionazi
2024-12-12 09:38:41 UTC
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So yeah, I really don‘t like Gedda, Rothenberger or Prey. Berry and Popp
are okay. This makes me dismiss Krips‘ Warner Serail as well Suitner‘s
nozze.

Which brings me to my fav Mozart opera recordings:

Idomeneo: Gardiner (Archiv)
Serail: *Beecham (EMI), Fricsay (DG)
nozze: *Fricsay (DG)
DG: Furtwängler (Orfeo, Warner - Siepi), *Klemperer (Warner), Krips
(Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
cosi: *Böhm (Decca, Warner), Östman (Decca)
Zauberflöte: Bergman (Arthaus), *Fricsay (DG)

*top choices
Zionazi
2024-12-12 09:44:58 UTC
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I mean I like Berry as Leporello I guess, but not so much as Figaro or
Papageno…
Zionazi
2024-12-12 09:58:34 UTC
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I can also live with Gedda in Klemperer‘s nozze… I mean hes good here…
but not as Tamino or Belmonte…
Zionazi
2024-12-12 11:45:13 UTC
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Hmmm probably add Fricsay‘s DG to my favorites…
Zionazi
2024-12-13 21:54:53 UTC
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Na I don’t need it… there is just too much wrong with Fricsay‘s DG aside
from his accompaniment…
Zionazi
2024-12-14 17:31:58 UTC
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I think I might need Fricsay's Idomeneo... should probably - again -
revisit his DG...
Zionazi
2024-12-14 17:39:22 UTC
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Na… I dun need Fricsay‘s idomeneo…
Zionazi
2024-12-17 21:28:04 UTC
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And I don’t Need Fricsay’s dg… Fischer-dieskau just really sucks here…
like… there is nothing seductive about him at all… Seems fucking Angry
all the time…
Zionazi
2024-12-17 22:41:21 UTC
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Okay so I prefer Fricsay‘s Serail over Beecham‘s… I really feel Simoneau
to be a Bit too light for belmonte (i guess i also prefer the female
singers on Fricsay’s Recording); he‘s good as Don Ottavio though… don’t
need beechams serail…

Idomeneo: Gardiner (Archiv)
Serail: Fricsay (DG)
nozze: Fricsay (DG)
DG: Furtwängler (Orfeo, Warner - Siepi), *Klemperer (Warner), Krips
(Decca), Mitropoulos (Sony)
cosi: *Böhm (Decca, Warner), Östman (Decca)
Zauberflöte: Bergman (Arthaus), *Fricsay (DG)

— so i think I have a Similar Problem likely with Rolfe Johnson as
idomeneo in Gardiners Recording… still the choir is amazing, will
probably need Fricsay’s after all?… and adam fischer‘s maybe? Or
harnoncourt‘s? Probz dun need gardiner‘s…
Zionazi
2024-12-17 22:59:27 UTC
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Maybe Ill ditch all the Siepi DGs…. I dunno… let me think about it some
more, but i think im Not really Convinced by him… especially compared to
ghiaurov — like Siepi seems a Bit dry maybe, ghiaurov very colorful
Zionazi
2024-12-18 09:47:22 UTC
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Yeah I might be Done with Siepi… Boy is he overrated; i‘d actually take
Fischer-dieskau‘s DG over Siepi‘s…

Probably going to rehabilate suitner‘s nozze…

Maazel‘s DG is actually quite nice, but teresa berganza is horrible, and
im Not too Fond of moser as well…

Best i certainly klemperer‘s
Zionazi
2024-12-18 09:54:20 UTC
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Sorted out about 90% of the Shit I bought last year… honestly this
Experience makes me hesistant to buy new recordings, like i need time to
get to know a piece, the different recordings of it etc…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 10:33:39 UTC
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Yeah add Fricsay‘s DG to my favorites… Fischer-dieskau is alright, and
hes also seductive… but ghiaurov for me is Like untouchable as the Don…
although I guess Fischer-Dieskau‘s portrayal Works as well…

Screw Siepi
Zionazi
2024-12-18 10:40:00 UTC
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Okay, so it‘s:

Idomeneo: Fricsay (DG) and likely Adam Fischer‘s…
Serail: *Fricsay (DG), Krips (Warner)
nozze: *Fricsay (DG), Suitner (Berlin Classics)
DG: *Klemperer (Warner), Fricsay (DG)
cosi: *Böhm (Decca, Warner), Östman (Decca)
Zauberflöte: Bergman (Arthaus), *Fricsay (DG)

Likely going to ditch Östman‘s Cosimas well…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 10:56:26 UTC
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Let me reevalute Maazel‘s DG and Sawallisch‘s Zauberflöte (Warner)…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 12:11:37 UTC
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Yeah well screw Krips‘ Serail… I just don’t like Gedda as belmonte… not
too Fond of Rothenberger Here as well… prefer Fricsay‘s by far…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 12:15:47 UTC
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Maybe Rothenberger is okay in Krips‘ Serail actually… but I can’t be
bothered to reevalute — no real reason to
Zionazi
2024-12-18 12:24:04 UTC
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Hmmm I think I was wrong about Berganza in Maazel‘s DG… Ill probably
need that one…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 12:51:09 UTC
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So let‘s see…

Idomeneo: Fricsay (DG) and likely Adam Fischer‘s…
Serail: Fricsay (DG)
nozze: *Fricsay (DG), Suitner (Berlin Classics)
DG: *Klemperer (Warner), Fricsay (DG)
cosi: *Böhm (Decca, Warner)
Zauberflöte: Bergman (Arthaus), *Fricsay (DG)

So i think Östman‘s cosi can likely be ditched, while Sawallisch‘s
Zauberflöte (Warner) and Maazel‘s DG should probably be added…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 12:57:39 UTC
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Actually it seems Östman‘s cosi is worth keeping…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 13:09:38 UTC
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Well ditch Bergman‘s Zauberflöte — musically it’s just not really good,
it‘s charming, but Not much more than that… nothing really Special…

Ill probably end up ditching Östman‘s cosi after all

I think im going to keep Klemperer’s Zauberflöte for specific Moments
(Bei Männern welche Liebe fühlen for example) — tue Problem for me is,
his Zauberflöte is Not fully satisfying… Fricsay’s is… Sawallisch im Not
sure about as of yet…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 14:15:09 UTC
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Okay…

Update:

Idomeneo: Fricsay (DG) and likely Adam Fischer‘s…
Serail: *Fricsay (DG), Böhm (DG)
nozze: *Fricsay (DG), Suitner (Berlin Classics)
DG: *Klemperer (Warner), Fricsay (DG), Maazel (Sony)
cosi: *Böhm (Decca, Warner), Östman (Decca)
Zauberflöte: *Fricsay (DG), Sawallisch (Warner) (and Klemperer (Warner)
for specific moments)

So Östman‘s cosi is going to stay (not a Great Fan of the hip-approach,
but the singing is very good, and there are things that seem to have
been cut by Böhm (Sani e Salvi) — Kind of interesting how this hip
Recording is actually one of the Best cosis…)

Furthermore Böhm‘s Serail has been added, as well as Maazel‘s DG and
Sawallisch‘s Zauberflöte (Warner)…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 14:31:19 UTC
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Now I Need to reevaluate Böhm‘s Late nozze and cosi…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 15:02:15 UTC
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Had some new insights, still have to reevaluate a few things… Ill be
back…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 18:52:39 UTC
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Yeah I don’t know… can’t listen to any other DG than Ghiaurov in
Klemperer‘s Recording…

There Are things Raimondi does that I don‘t really like and I guess his
Voice doesn’t have the volume… Fi-Di doesNT have it as well, and really
he fucking barks too much here… Both are more colorful than Siepi
though, sure he has the volume, but he is really fucking stiff and
Monotonous…

So:

Idomeneo: Fricsay (DG) and likely Adam Fischer‘s…
Serail: *Fricsay (DG), Böhm (DG)
nozze: *Fricsay (DG), Suitner (Berlin Classics)
DG: Klemperer (Warner)
cosi: *Böhm (Decca, Warner), Östman (Decca)
Zauberflöte: *Fricsay (DG), Sawallisch (Warner) (and Klemperer (Warner)
for specific moments)

Let me revisit raimondi though…
Zionazi
2024-12-18 22:52:30 UTC
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So ya… no raimondi… he just aint dg… (I like Fi-Di more than him) Needs
to be a deeper voice… I don’t like terfel as well (seems like a Similar
portrayal as Fi-Di… and I like Fi-Di‘s Voice more…) Thomas allen seems
wooden and stiff…

Only Ghiaurov for me (can’t remember him in giulinis Recording)…

And second Choice would likely be Fricsay’s…
Zionazi
2024-12-19 22:07:30 UTC
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I think Van Dam is rather good contrary to what I Said a while ago… Not
included in my fav recordings though…

God is Kmentt awful btw… so no need for Fricsay‘s Idomeneo…

gardiner‘s - Even though I have Problems with the Idomeneo (Rolfe
Johnson) - is actually the best…

So:

Idomeneo: Gardiner (Archiv) (and maybe Pavarotti/Pritchard)
Serail: Böhm (DG), *Fricsay (DG)
nozze: *Fricsay (DG), Suitner (Berlin Classics)
DG: Fricsay (DG), *Klemperer (Warner)
cosi: *Böhm (Decca, Warner), Östman (Decca)
Zauberflöte: *Fricsay (DG), Sawallisch (Warner) (and Klemperer (Warner)
for specific moments)

*top choices

Now let me see if I like Böhm‘s Late nozze and cosi and im actually Done
I guess

And Raimondi is really awful… I don’t Like him at all..
Zionazi
2024-12-20 22:39:30 UTC
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okay so fuck Hermann Prey… except a little for his count in Suitner‘s
nozze, I guess ^^ No need for böhm‘s Late nozze nor cosi…

Rolfe Johnson likely sings the Best bravura fuor del mar

And Harnoncourt‘s Idomeneo is actually quite good, Ill probably need it…

Thing is though, I think I Like the non-bravura Version more maybe haha…
I think Pavarotti is Fine, Not sure if Ill need him though…

Sooo…

Update:

Idomeneo: Gardiner (Archiv), Harnoncourt (Warner) (and maybe Pavarotti?)
Serail: Böhm (DG), *Fricsay (DG)
nozze: *Fricsay (DG), Suitner (Berlin Classics)
DG: Fricsay (DG), *Klemperer (Warner)
cosi: *Böhm (Decca, Warner), Östman (Decca)
Zauberflöte: *Fricsay (DG), Sawallisch (Warner) (and Klemperer (Warner)
for specific moments)

Hmm…

Ya Looks pretty good to me
Zionazi
2024-12-20 23:42:07 UTC
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Hmmm I think Im going to keep Bergman‘s Zauberflöte… I mean it’s
musically quite good actually I guess…

And Owen was not wrong — after relistening to bits of Branagh‘s
Zauberflöte — singing doesnt seem Bad… but theres a whole lot missing it
feels, seems bland… so screw it i guess
Zionazi
2024-12-20 23:54:04 UTC
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So No… Since it’s so bland and so boring the singing is Bad… it’s also
in Bad Taste the singing — sucks completely
Zionazi
2024-12-21 08:49:24 UTC
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Yeah well, not sure about Pavarotti yet… but I really feel i Like the
non-bravura Version more, the bravura Version tries to Hard…
Zionazi
2024-12-21 08:51:31 UTC
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Na I don’t think Ill Need Pavarotti — Similar to Siepi he just has no
Color… very dry

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