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OT "Warning: The Literary Canon Could Make Students Squirm"
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Roland van Gaalen
2014-05-18 14:03:13 UTC
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Bizarre:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/warning-the-literary-canon-could-make-students-squirm.html?hp
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Roland van Gaalen
Cape Town
Herman
2014-05-18 14:25:13 UTC
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'Mericans...
Oscar
2014-05-18 23:30:30 UTC
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Post by Herman
'Mericans...
"The warnings have their ideological roots in feminist thought...Feminist blogs and forums have used the term for more than a decade to signal that readers, particularly victims of sexual abuse, might want to avoid certain articles or pictures online." [excerpt from New York Times article]
Post by Herman
She dressed what a fashionable woman might wear to a cocktail party.
It's certainly less extravagant than what pop music performers wear.
Really? A woman might wear that to a cocktail party, but she would be
very uncomfortable. She would have to stand on those heels all the
time, because it is not possible to sit decently in a dress this
short. Chances would be women would avoid her, and men would leer, and
wonder whether what she was trying to say, dressing like a hooker.
You're either with the feminists or you're with the patriarchs, herman. We know where you stand.
Oscar
2014-05-18 23:42:12 UTC
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I am actually loving this article. Frankenstein's monster has finally been unleashed! You know there's an existential crisis in orthodox liberal ideology when sociology professors (!) are 'offended' by their progeny/students' suffering of being 'offended' at the original 'offenses'. This is the Safety Generation at its finest. (Cissexism is a real problem, by golly.)

<< "Be aware of racism, classism, sexism, heterosexism, cissexism, ableism, and other issues of privilege and oppression," the guide said. "Realize that all forms of violence are traumatic, and that your students have lives before and outside your classroom, experiences you may not expect or understand." For example, it said, while "Things Fall Apart" by Chinua Achebe -- a novel set in colonial-era Nigeria -- is a "triumph of literature that everyone in the world should read," it could "trigger readers who have experienced racism, colonialism, religious persecution, violence, suicide and more."

"Any kind of blanket trigger policy is inimical to academic freedom," said Lisa Hajjar, a sociology professor at the university here, who often uses graphic depictions of torture in her courses about war. "Any student can request some sort of individual accommodation, but to say we need some kind of one-size-fits-all approach is totally wrong. The presumption there is that students should not be forced to deal with something that makes them uncomfortable is absurd or even dangerous." >>

Your problem, Professor: you built the monster, you fix it.
dk
2017-01-30 23:56:22 UTC
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Post by Oscar
I am actually loving this article. Frankenstein's monster has finally been unleashed! You know there's an existential crisis in orthodox liberal ideology when sociology professors (!) are 'offended' by their progeny/students' suffering of being 'offended' at the original 'offenses'. This is the Safety Generation at its finest. (Cissexism is a real problem, by golly.)
<< "Be aware of racism, classism, sexism, heterosexism, cissexism, ableism, and other issues of privilege and oppression," the guide said. "Realize that all forms of violence are traumatic, and that your students have lives before and outside your classroom, experiences you may not expect or understand." For example, it said, while "Things Fall Apart" by Chinua Achebe -- a novel set in colonial-era Nigeria -- is a "triumph of literature that everyone in the world should read," it could "trigger readers who have experienced racism, colonialism, religious persecution, violence, suicide and more."
"Any kind of blanket trigger policy is inimical to academic freedom," said Lisa Hajjar, a sociology professor at the university here, who often uses graphic depictions of torture in her courses about war. "Any student can request some sort of individual accommodation, but to say we need some kind of one-size-fits-all approach is totally wrong. The presumption there is that students should not be forced to deal with something that makes them uncomfortable is absurd or even dangerous." >>
Your problem, Professor: you built the monster, you fix it.
Monsters are not fixable.

dk
m***@gmail.com
2017-01-31 00:03:31 UTC
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Post by Oscar
I am actually loving this article. Frankenstein's monster has finally been unleashed! You know there's an existential crisis in orthodox liberal ideology when sociology professors (!) are 'offended' by their progeny/students' suffering of being 'offended' at the original 'offenses'. This is the Safety Generation at its finest. (Cissexism is a real problem, by golly.)
<< "Be aware of racism, classism, sexism, heterosexism, cissexism, ableism, and other issues of privilege and oppression," the guide said. "Realize that all forms of violence are traumatic, and that your students have lives before and outside your classroom, experiences you may not expect or understand." For example, it said, while "Things Fall Apart" by Chinua Achebe -- a novel set in colonial-era Nigeria -- is a "triumph of literature that everyone in the world should read," it could "trigger readers who have experienced racism, colonialism, religious persecution, violence, suicide and more."
"Any kind of blanket trigger policy is inimical to academic freedom," said Lisa Hajjar, a sociology professor at the university here, who often uses graphic depictions of torture in her courses about war. "Any student can request some sort of individual accommodation, but to say we need some kind of one-size-fits-all approach is totally wrong. The presumption there is that students should not be forced to deal with something that makes them uncomfortable is absurd or even dangerous." >>
Your problem, Professor: you built the monster, you fix it.
Monsters are not fixable.
dk
I don't know - they got Frankenstein to talk and the Wolfman did finally get cured
Bob Harper
2017-01-31 15:31:10 UTC
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Post by dk
Post by Oscar
I am actually loving this article. Frankenstein's monster has
finally been unleashed! You know there's an existential crisis in
orthodox liberal ideology when sociology professors (!) are
'offended' by their progeny/students' suffering of being 'offended'
at the original 'offenses'. This is the Safety Generation at its
finest. (Cissexism is a real problem, by golly.)
<< "Be aware of racism, classism, sexism, heterosexism, cissexism,
ableism, and other issues of privilege and oppression," the guide
said. "Realize that all forms of violence are traumatic, and that
your students have lives before and outside your classroom,
experiences you may not expect or understand." For example, it
said, while "Things Fall Apart" by Chinua Achebe -- a novel set in
colonial-era Nigeria -- is a "triumph of literature that everyone
in the world should read," it could "trigger readers who have
experienced racism, colonialism, religious persecution, violence,
suicide and more."
This statement is so absurd that mocking laughter is the only
appropriate response.
Post by dk
Post by Oscar
"Any kind of blanket trigger policy is inimical to academic
freedom," said Lisa Hajjar, a sociology professor at the university
here, who often uses graphic depictions of torture in her courses
about war. "Any student can request some sort of individual
accommodation, but to say we need some kind of one-size-fits-all
approach is totally wrong. The presumption there is that students
should not be forced to deal with something that makes them
uncomfortable is absurd or even dangerous." >>
Your problem, Professor: you built the monster, you fix it.
Being fair, *she* didn't; her peers did, and they are rightly to be
criticized for having done so

Bob Harper
Post by dk
Monsters are not fixable.
dk
William Sommerwerck
2014-05-18 14:33:26 UTC
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If a teacher of political science assigns writings by William F Buckley Jr or
Ayn Rand, will liberal students start protesting that it might offend them?

How much further is it to students refusing to read assigned material because
it could "bother" them?

One major component of liberal education is being exposed to ideas that are
potentially disturbing.
Christopher Webber
2014-05-18 15:48:37 UTC
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Post by William Sommerwerck
One major component of liberal education is being exposed to ideas that
are potentially disturbing.
Alas, William, the age of liberal education has passed.

We live in a world where sanctimonious moralising has become the social
norm, at least for anyone under 45 years old. A world where laughing off
the follies of humanity is no longer considered an "appropriate"
response. A world which believes it can eradicate sexual misdemeanour in
a few years, simply by legislating against it. A world which has lost
all sense of history. A world which has lost all sense of humility.

And in this world - where students see themselves as consumers, shopping
for education as a commercial commodity - they certainly don't see that
they are at university to have their narrow, little views of the world
challenged.

Matthew Arnold is turning in his grave.
Bob Harper
2014-05-18 17:54:48 UTC
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Post by Christopher Webber
Post by William Sommerwerck
One major component of liberal education is being exposed to ideas that
are potentially disturbing.
Alas, William, the age of liberal education has passed.
We live in a world where sanctimonious moralising has become the social
norm, at least for anyone under 45 years old. A world where laughing off
the follies of humanity is no longer considered an "appropriate"
response. A world which believes it can eradicate sexual misdemeanour in
a few years, simply by legislating against it. A world which has lost
all sense of history. A world which has lost all sense of humility.
And in this world - where students see themselves as consumers, shopping
for education as a commercial commodity - they certainly don't see that
they are at university to have their narrow, little views of the world
challenged.
Matthew Arnold is turning in his grave.
Yes. This is part of the accelerating infantilization of American
society. I don't know whether it's been exported to Europe yet, but it's
too much to hope that it will be strangled at birth if it arrives there.
The whole notion is based on the assumption that I have a 'right' not to
be offended, an assumption that is ridiculous and offensive in itself,
and should be rejected with prejudice.

Bob Harper
Christopher Webber
2014-05-18 19:36:06 UTC
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I don't know whether it's been exported to Europe yet, but it's too much
to hope that it will be strangled at birth if it arrives there.
Remember I'm in London, Bob.

Alas, it was too much to hope.
g***@gmail.com
2018-10-06 04:58:38 UTC
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Post by Bob Harper
Post by Christopher Webber
Post by William Sommerwerck
One major component of liberal education is being exposed to ideas that
are potentially disturbing.
Alas, William, the age of liberal education has passed.
We live in a world where sanctimonious moralising has become the social
norm, at least for anyone under 45 years old. A world where laughing off
the follies of humanity is no longer considered an "appropriate"
response. A world which believes it can eradicate sexual misdemeanour in
a few years, simply by legislating against it. A world which has lost
all sense of history. A world which has lost all sense of humility.
And in this world - where students see themselves as consumers, shopping
for education as a commercial commodity - they certainly don't see that
they are at university to have their narrow, little views of the world
challenged.
Matthew Arnold is turning in his grave.
Yes. This is part of the accelerating infantilization of American
society...
This recent article asks:

- Can entire societies succumb to infantilization?

https://theconversation.com/the-infantilization-of-western-culture-99556
g***@gmail.com
2018-10-06 05:03:48 UTC
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Post by Bob Harper
Post by Christopher Webber
Post by William Sommerwerck
One major component of liberal education is being exposed to ideas that
are potentially disturbing.
Alas, William, the age of liberal education has passed.
We live in a world where sanctimonious moralising has become the social
norm, at least for anyone under 45 years old. A world where laughing off
the follies of humanity is no longer considered an "appropriate"
response. A world which believes it can eradicate sexual misdemeanour in
a few years, simply by legislating against it. A world which has lost
all sense of history. A world which has lost all sense of humility.
And in this world - where students see themselves as consumers, shopping
for education as a commercial commodity - they certainly don't see that
they are at university to have their narrow, little views of the world
challenged.
Matthew Arnold is turning in his grave.
Yes. This is part of the accelerating infantilization of American
society...
- Can entire societies succumb to infantilization?
https://theconversation.com/the-infantilization-of-western-culture-99556
The following article begins:

- Adult culture is waning in America...

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/are-video-games-the-new-novels/
g***@gmail.com
2017-01-30 09:24:39 UTC
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Post by Christopher Webber
Post by William Sommerwerck
One major component of liberal education is being exposed to ideas that
are potentially disturbing.
Alas, William, the age of liberal education has passed.
We live in a world where sanctimonious moralising has become the social
norm, at least for anyone under 45 years old. A world where laughing off
the follies of humanity is no longer considered an "appropriate"
response. A world which believes it can eradicate sexual misdemeanour in
a few years, simply by legislating against it. A world which has lost
all sense of history. A world which has lost all sense of humility.
And in this world - where students see themselves as consumers, shopping
for education as a commercial commodity - they certainly don't see that
they are at university to have their narrow, little views of the world
challenged...
According to this recent article:

- Many colleges and universities, competing for tuition dollars “too often drawn thoughtlessly from an inexhaustible well of loans,” market a “college experience” rather than an education. The experience “turns into five and, increasingly, six [years].” Mr. Nichols notes that “the fragility of 21st-century students” results from “the swaddling environment of the modern university” that “infantilizes students” who demand “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2017/01/30/George-F-Will-Intellectual-emptiness-has-infected-our-culture/stories/201701300042
Al Eisner
2017-01-31 21:16:05 UTC
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Post by Christopher Webber
Post by William Sommerwerck
One major component of liberal education is being exposed to ideas that
are potentially disturbing.
Alas, William, the age of liberal education has passed.
We live in a world where sanctimonious moralising has become the social
norm, at least for anyone under 45 years old. A world where laughing off
the follies of humanity is no longer considered an "appropriate"
response. A world which believes it can eradicate sexual misdemeanour in
a few years, simply by legislating against it. A world which has lost
all sense of history. A world which has lost all sense of humility.
And in this world - where students see themselves as consumers, shopping
for education as a commercial commodity - they certainly don't see that
they are at university to have their narrow, little views of the world
challenged...
By no means did I always agree with Christopher, but his posts were
always well-written and interesting to read. I'm sorry he stopped
posting here.
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Al Eisner
Herman
2014-05-18 15:52:40 UTC
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Post by William Sommerwerck
If a teacher of political science assigns writings by William F Buckley Jr or
Ayn Rand, will liberal students start protesting that it might offend them?
well, there you have the start of a class discussion.
Gerard
2014-05-18 16:16:12 UTC
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Post by William Sommerwerck
If a teacher of political science assigns writings by William F Buckley Jr or
Ayn Rand, will liberal students start protesting that it might offend them?
well, there you have the start of a class discussion.

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Let's wait for Berger. He will explain what is the connection with Israel
... uh ... recordings of classical music.
Bob Harper
2014-05-18 17:56:06 UTC
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Post by Herman
Post by William Sommerwerck
If a teacher of political science assigns writings by William F Buckley Jr or
Ayn Rand, will liberal students start protesting that it might offend them?
well, there you have the start of a class discussion.
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Let's wait for Berger. He will explain what is the connection with
Israel ... uh ... recordings of classical music.
Gerard, I'm offended. Go sit in the corner and take a time out :)

Bob Harper
Willem Orange
2014-05-18 18:16:48 UTC
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Post by Bob Harper
Post by Herman
Post by William Sommerwerck
If a teacher of political science assigns writings by William F
Buckley Jr or
Ayn Rand, will liberal students start protesting that it might offend
them?
well, there you have the start of a class discussion.
===============
Let's wait for Berger. He will explain what is the connection with
Israel ... uh ... recordings of classical music.
Gerard, I'm offended. Go sit in the corner and take a time out :)
Bob Harper
For like a year!!!!
g***@gmail.com
2018-08-25 06:07:43 UTC
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Post by William Sommerwerck
If a teacher of political science assigns writings by William F Buckley Jr or
Ayn Rand, will liberal students start protesting that it might offend them?
How much further is it to students refusing to read assigned material because
it could "bother" them?
One major component of liberal education is being exposed to ideas that are
potentially disturbing.
- The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.

Friedrich Nietzsche
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