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Szell box for $131.99 today at Amazon (looks like free shipping with Prime, too)
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m***@gmail.com
2018-11-02 21:28:12 UTC
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Didn't see that coming.
u***@gmail.com
2018-11-03 16:26:41 UTC
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Didn't see that coming.
Neither did anyone else. Anyone who bought the box thinking they'd make a killing selling it after it went o/p is particularly unhappy. Since both Amazon and Sony are presumably earning a profit selling it at this low price I wonder how much it costs Sony to manufacture it.
Bob Harper
2018-11-03 18:27:49 UTC
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Didn't see that coming.
Neither did anyone else. Anyone who bought the box thinking they'd make a killing selling it after it went o/p is particularly unhappy. Since both Amazon and Sony are presumably earning a profit selling it at this low price I wonder how much it costs Sony to manufacture it.
Not a great deal, I suspect. I imagine the book, the box, and the
individual CD holders cost more than the discs themselves.

Bob Harper
Matthew Silverstein
2018-11-05 04:38:35 UTC
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Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?

Matty
Frank Berger
2018-11-05 13:19:36 UTC
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Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?
Matty
One web site says 12.74 lb; another says 5400 g which is 11.9 lb.
operafan
2018-11-05 14:11:57 UTC
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Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?
Matty
Mine weighs about 13 pounds.
Matthew Silverstein
2018-11-05 14:52:58 UTC
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Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?
Matty
Mine weighs about 13 pounds.
Thanks to you and Frank!

Matty
Bob Harper
2018-11-05 15:41:41 UTC
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Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?
Matty
Mine weighs about 13 pounds.
Thanks to you and Frank!
Matty
Late to the thread, but I just weighed mine--the box, book, and CDs
only, sans packaging--11 lbs. 15 oz.

Bob Harper
Mr. Mike
2018-11-03 19:42:29 UTC
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Didn't see that coming.
As of today (Nov. 3) - "Back-ordered. Due in stock November 5."
Adam Dubin
2018-11-03 20:14:30 UTC
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Didn't see that coming.
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-03 20:31:36 UTC
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Didn't see that coming.
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.
Herman
2018-11-03 21:32:29 UTC
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I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.
Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.
Frank Berger
2018-11-04 00:15:55 UTC
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I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.
Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.
Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-04 01:13:51 UTC
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I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.
Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.
Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.
But why is it not just an investment that may or may not pay off?? Is it different because it is a collection of classical Cds by an admired conductor??? Why is it different from any other commodity that may or may not increase in value???
Frank Berger
2018-11-04 01:39:30 UTC
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I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.
Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.
Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.
But why is it not just an investment that may or may not pay off??
Who said it was?

Is it different because it is a collection of classical Cds by an
admired conductor??? Why is it different from any other commodity that
may or may not increase in value???
Not really. Other than not really falling into the customary definition
of the word "commodity." You can buy anything hoping it goes up in
value, but certain things are so customarily bought and sold that there
are dedicated markets for them (wheat....gold....etc.).
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-04 01:45:06 UTC
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I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.
Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.
Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.
But why is it not just an investment that may or may not pay off??
Who said it was?
Is it different because it is a collection of classical Cds by an
admired conductor??? Why is it different from any other commodity that
may or may not increase in value???
Not really. Other than not really falling into the customary definition
of the word "commodity." You can buy anything hoping it goes up in
value, but certain things are so customarily bought and sold that there
are dedicated markets for them (wheat....gold....etc.).
I was responding to the accusation that greed was the primary motive - My question was why was it not just an investment that may pay off - unless you think that greed is at the bottom of all investing which I do not. These sets have a habit of often increasing in price after the initial offering - I don't think taking advantage of that makes one Ebenezer Scrooge
Frank Berger
2018-11-04 13:17:26 UTC
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I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.
Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.
Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.
But why is it not just an investment that may or may not pay off??
Who said it was?
Is it different because it is a collection of classical Cds by an
admired conductor??? Why is it different from any other commodity that
may or may not increase in value???
Not really. Other than not really falling into the customary definition
of the word "commodity." You can buy anything hoping it goes up in
value, but certain things are so customarily bought and sold that there
are dedicated markets for them (wheat....gold....etc.).
I was responding to the accusation that greed was the primary motive - My question was why was it not just an investment that may pay off - unless you think that greed is at the bottom of all investing which I do not. These sets have a habit of often increasing in price after the initial offering - I don't think taking advantage of that makes one Ebenezer Scrooge
Simply put, "greed" is defined as excessive self-interest. Since this
is not measurable AFAIK, I don't know how to identify or discuss it.
What is excessive to one person is not to another. To a communist
perhaps all self-interest is greed. To a libertarian, perhaps there is
no such thing.
Herman
2018-11-04 15:05:35 UTC
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Simply put, "greed" is defined as excessive self-interest. Since this
is not measurable AFAIK, I don't know how to identify or discuss it.
What is excessive to one person is not to another. To a communist
perhaps all self-interest is greed. To a libertarian, perhaps there is
no such thing.
that's a pretty sad thing to say.
Frank Berger
2018-11-04 15:09:56 UTC
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Simply put, "greed" is defined as excessive self-interest. Since this
is not measurable AFAIK, I don't know how to identify or discuss it.
What is excessive to one person is not to another. To a communist
perhaps all self-interest is greed. To a libertarian, perhaps there is
no such thing.
that's a pretty sad thing to say.
Yes. It's sad to think that some people don't understand that
self-interest is a good and important force in the world.
Herman
2018-11-04 15:16:35 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-04 15:44:53 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
Not what he said.
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-04 15:48:15 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-04 15:54:11 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???
If you check the postings here you'll see I was one of the first to post about it being a good price at Classics Select. Szell is one of my favorite conductors and I was happy to order it. You will also see when it finally arrived how happy I was to get it. So I thought when I saw it at a lower price at Amazon and the history of how these box sets can go up in value why not buy another one and wait and see. If it stays the same I can always donate it to the Curtis Institute. So I can't understand why I was accused of being greedy.
Herman
2018-11-04 16:06:32 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???
I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.

I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.

Buying a second Szell box in hopes of selling it with a profit when the supply has run out is no excessive greed. To me it seems a little futile, but mostly it seemed a poignant contrast to the other poster who had said it was worth buying an extra box at that price to give as a present to a friend.

The original idea of buying stock was to help a business, and if the business went well, you shared in the profits.
Frank Berger
2018-11-04 16:27:42 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???
I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.
I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.
I said self-interest is good, not greed. I even defined greed as
EXCESSIVE self-interest. As always, you go out of your way to
mis-represent what I said.
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Buying a second Szell box in hopes of selling it with a profit when the supply has run out is no excessive greed. To me it seems a little futile, but mostly it seemed a poignant contrast to the other poster who had said it was worth buying an extra box at that price to give as a present to a friend.
The original idea of buying stock was to help a business, and if the business went well, you shared in the profits.
Herman
2018-11-04 16:33:39 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???
I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.
I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.
I said self-interest is good, not greed. I even defined greed as
EXCESSIVE self-interest. As always, you go out of your way to
mis-represent what I said.
You made a point of saying there's no way to say when greed becomes excessive. Which logically means there is no excessive greed.
Frank Berger
2018-11-04 17:53:18 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???
I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.
I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.
I said self-interest is good, not greed. I even defined greed as
EXCESSIVE self-interest. As always, you go out of your way to
mis-represent what I said.
You made a point of saying there's no way to say when greed becomes excessive. Which logically means there is no excessive greed.
Again, those are not my words; they are yours. I said that everyone
will have their own opinion about what constitutes "excessive."
music lover
2018-11-05 00:43:14 UTC
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Will be interesting to see if there is any future resale market for the Szell box. Sellers can ask anything they want for an item. I’m sure more than a few here have seen outrageous prices for out of print box sets. Thousands of $$$! I bought the Eugene Istomin Sony set. Never really considered buying it found it new for list price at a favorite record store in Berkeley. For me turned out to be of limited interest. Big fan of Istomin Stern Rose chamber performances. Set seems to be out of print. Low asking price on Amazon around $600. Unloaded it on eBay for $130. Not sure I was being greedy. But I need shelf space.
Frank Berger
2018-11-05 01:21:39 UTC
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Will be interesting to see if there is any future resale market for the Szell box. Sellers can ask anything they want for an item. I’m sure more than a few here have seen outrageous prices for out of print box sets. Thousands of $$$! I bought the Eugene Istomin Sony set. Never really considered buying it found it new for list price at a favorite record store in Berkeley. For me turned out to be of limited interest. Big fan of Istomin Stern Rose chamber performances. Set seems to be out of print. Low asking price on Amazon around $600. Unloaded it on eBay for $130. Not sure I was being greedy.
Simple solution. Just donate enough of the profits to charity so that
you feel certain you are not being greedy. :-)
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-05 02:50:58 UTC
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Will be interesting to see if there is any future resale market for the Szell box. Sellers can ask anything they want for an item. I’m sure more than a few here have seen outrageous prices for out of print box sets. Thousands of $$$! I bought the Eugene Istomin Sony set. Never really considered buying it found it new for list price at a favorite record store in Berkeley. For me turned out to be of limited interest. Big fan of Istomin Stern Rose chamber performances. Set seems to be out of print. Low asking price on Amazon around $600. Unloaded it on eBay for $130. Not sure I was being greedy.
Simple solution. Just donate enough of the profits to charity so that
you feel certain you are not being greedy. :-)
yes I'll be sure to do that as well :-)
m***@gmail.com
2018-11-04 17:39:10 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???
I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.
I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.
Buying a second Szell box in hopes of selling it with a profit when the supply has run out is no excessive greed. To me it seems a little futile, but mostly it seemed a poignant contrast to the other poster who had said it was worth buying an extra box at that price to give as a present to a friend.
The original idea of buying stock was to help a business, and if the business went well, you shared in the profits.
Actually you were the person who called my statement about a buying a box in case it goes OOP a combination of altruism and greed.
Gerard
2018-11-04 16:14:07 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
For a libertarian that is.
Frank Berger
2018-11-04 16:24:28 UTC
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You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.
Not really. Just that everyone will have there own opinion of what is
excessive.
g***@gmail.com
2018-11-04 03:07:25 UTC
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I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.
Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.
Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.
But why is it not just an investment that may or may not pay off?? Is it different because it is a collection of classical Cds by an admired conductor??? Why is it different from any other commodity that may or may not increase in value???
According to the following:

- Most people nowadays see...selling to make a profit...seem like the most natural of human activities...The glorification of making money, the sanctioning of all the actions necessary to do so, and the promotion of the needed human traits—“unnatural” and repugnant to Aristotle—is now the norm of capitalist societies.

https://monthlyreview.org/2005/07/01/approaching-socialism/
Oscar
2018-11-04 03:30:11 UTC
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Aristotle??

“The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.”
-Confucius
weary flake
2018-11-10 19:58:53 UTC
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I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.
Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.
It's said that classical music is only issued as good works and as
a dedication to the arts. We should cherish Sony's charitable
efforts, and we'd be a real jerk if we weren't grateful.

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