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Fey's Haydn on sale at Arkiv Music
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MIFrost
2018-07-26 11:44:02 UTC
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https://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=2268624&utm_source=ArkivMusic_NL&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Haenssler-07242018&utm_content=Haydn-Fey

MIFrost
r***@verizon.net
2018-07-26 19:04:26 UTC
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:44:05 AM UTC-4, MIFrost wrote:
> https://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=2268624&utm_source=ArkivMusic_NL&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Haenssler-07242018&utm_content=Haydn-Fey
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> MIFrost

A bargain but do I need another set of London Symphonies when I still lack a complete set of Haydn symphonies? Yes, I'll probably wind up buying it anyway.
Oscar
2018-07-26 19:10:44 UTC
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The set to get is Antonini’s new (well, 3 year-old) ongoing series on alpha, to be completed in 2032. Antonioni is one of our most underrated conductors. Listening to his Mozart Violin Concertos with Isabelle Faust, who is very good in these 2016 recordings. I can understand why this set won so many awards and accolades.

Also, the complete HIPP Haydn Symphonies cycle by Hogwood, Dantone, and Bruggen on Decca capbox is pretty essential. While it’s still in print!
r***@verizon.net
2018-07-26 19:34:02 UTC
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Oscar, I regret I didn't act fast enough to get that Decca box as it came and went pretty quickly. It was in the range of $50-60 and now it's unavailable except for an Amazon reseller who's asking $600. I'm surprised a set like this was available so briefly and that Decca hasn't seen fit to reprint it.

Thanks for the tip about the Antonini Haydn project. I found this article:
http://www.cpr.org/classical/story/haydn-composed-107-symphonies-this-conductor-wants-to-record-every-one-of-them

In 14 years do you really think the last releases will be available on disc? I have doubts about that.

Robert
f***@yahoo.com
2018-07-26 20:23:04 UTC
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 12:34:03 PM UTC-7, ***@verizon.net wrote:
> Oscar, I regret I didn't act fast enough to get that Decca box as it came and went pretty quickly. It was in the range of $50-60 and now it's unavailable except for an Amazon reseller who's asking $600. I'm surprised a set like this was available so briefly and that Decca hasn't seen fit to reprint it.
>
> Thanks for the tip about the Antonini Haydn project. I found this article:
> http://www.cpr.org/classical/story/haydn-composed-107-symphonies-this-conductor-wants-to-record-every-one-of-them
>
> In 14 years do you really think the last releases will be available on disc? I have doubts about that.
>
> Robert

Wow, I didn't realize the monster Decca Haydn symphonies box is OOP already (less than 2 years). I have the original 13-CD box of the symphonies recorded by Bruggen, which was re-issued by Decca in 2009, both of which are OOP now. I guess Haydn symphony box sets are hard to sell.
wkasimer
2018-07-26 21:25:07 UTC
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:23:06 PM UTC-4, ***@yahoo.com wrote:

> Wow, I didn't realize the monster Decca Haydn symphonies box is OOP already (less than 2 years). I have the original 13-CD box of the symphonies recorded by Bruggen, which was re-issued by Decca in 2009, both of which are OOP now. I guess Haydn symphony box sets are hard to sell.

They're REALLY hard to sell if you let them go out of print and become unavailable.
Oscar
2018-07-26 21:37:41 UTC
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Universal Music Enterprises has a better track record of re-introducing its big boxes than, say, Sony. For example, UME raised from the dead Mercury Living Presence, Vol.1 in 2013 for a second printing. Sony, by contrast, has let its you-had-yr-chance Gary Graffman box go OOP _and_ have you seen A Boy Named Gould in the last 18 months for anything less than $400? Marquee star we’re talking. Was in and out of print for less than two years.
Mark Zimmer
2018-07-27 16:11:57 UTC
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:37:43 PM UTC-5, Oscar wrote:
> Universal Music Enterprises has a better track record of re-introducing its big boxes than, say, Sony. For example, UME raised from the dead Mercury Living Presence, Vol.1 in 2013 for a second printing. Sony, by contrast, has let its you-had-yr-chance Gary Graffman box go OOP _and_ have you seen A Boy Named Gould in the last 18 months for anything less than $400? Marquee star we’re talking. Was in and out of print for less than two years.

Didn't the Monteux box go out of print very quickly as well? I know it hadn't been out very long when it was already $400-500 on the secondary market.
Frank Berger
2018-07-27 16:24:11 UTC
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On 7/27/2018 12:11 PM, Mark Zimmer wrote:
> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:37:43 PM UTC-5, Oscar wrote:
>> Universal Music Enterprises has a better track record of re-introducing its big boxes than, say, Sony. For example, UME raised from the dead Mercury Living Presence, Vol.1 in 2013 for a second printing. Sony, by contrast, has let its you-had-yr-chance Gary Graffman box go OOP _and_ have you seen A Boy Named Gould in the last 18 months for anything less than $400? Marquee star we’re talking. Was in and out of print for less than two years.
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> Didn't the Monteux box go out of print very quickly as well? I know it hadn't been out very long when it was already $400-500 on the secondary market.
>

One the one hand it seems like it could make economic sense for a label
to let some material go OOP quickly. If most people who are going to buy
do it quickly (a narrowly defined fan base), it might not pay to keep it
production. OTOH, if you really do say secondary market taking place at
such elevated prices, shouldn't that indicate a continuing viable
market? On the third hand (?) may the number of such transactions are
very, very low.
Randy Lane
2018-07-27 20:21:00 UTC
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Some do return for additional runs.
I think the first Decca Sound box had rerun.
Don't lose hope.
Items that come special sized boxes seem unlikely to be repeated.
weary flake
2018-07-29 16:02:42 UTC
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On 2018-07-27 16:24:11 +0000, Frank Berger said:

> On 7/27/2018 12:11 PM, Mark Zimmer wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:37:43 PM UTC-5, Oscar wrote:
>>> Universal Music Enterprises has a better track record of re-introducing
>>> its big boxes than, say, Sony. For example, UME raised from the dead
>>> Mercury Living Presence, Vol.1 in 2013 for a second printing. Sony, by
>>> contrast, has let its you-had-yr-chance Gary Graffman box go OOP _and_
>>> have you seen A Boy Named Gould in the last 18 months for anything less
>>> than $400? Marquee star we’re talking. Was in and out of print for less
>>> than two years.
>>
>> Didn't the Monteux box go out of print very quickly as well? I know it
>> hadn't been out very long when it was already $400-500 on the secondary
>> market.
>>
>
> One the one hand it seems like it could make economic sense for a label
> to let some material go OOP quickly. If most people who are going to
> buy do it quickly (a narrowly defined fan base), it might not pay to
> keep it production.

The Reiner big box was reprinted, after quickly going out of print. I
changed my mind about buying the 2015 Gould complete box and the 2016
Brendel box but now they are out of print. The Mercury Living Presence 3
box set from 2015 has already revoked the website listed in the booklet
for downloading some liner notes; so how's that argument that printed notes
are unimportant and wasteful and that depending on fly by night websites
should be preferred? The third Mercury boxset, with more of the no names
I crave, whetted my appetite for the first two box sets but they are out
of print (I prefer the "big names" in their own complete box sets, not a
few of each of their recordings crammed into boxsets along with the
rarities).

The Graffman and Entremont boxes were defective as issued, and you need to
awkwardly contact Sony to get 1 CD replacement for Entremont and 2 CDs
for Graffman. The culprits for the editing defects are Meyer for one box
and b sharp for the other and Sony for not being clear about how to get
replacements (this information should be in the printed booklet on how
to contact the record company but the contacts in the booklet are for
sellers, not buyers; amazon or a record store is not going to contact
Sony for me).

> OTOH, if you really do say secondary market taking place at such
> elevated prices, shouldn't that indicate a continuing viable market? On
> the third hand (?) may the number of such transactions are very, very
> low.

A key point: high price lists, no matter how many providers are offering it,
do not indicate what price they are actually selling at because the high
priced item may not have had *any* copies sold at that price. Sites like
discogs.com report the prices of sales on it's site, and many high priced
high demand items have had *no* sales, whether it's rare or have many sellers
listed.
wkasimer
2018-07-26 21:23:50 UTC
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 3:34:03 PM UTC-4, ***@verizon.net wrote:

> Thanks for the tip about the Antonini Haydn project. I found this article:
> http://www.cpr.org/classical/story/haydn-composed-107-symphonies-this-conductor-wants-to-record-every-one-of-them
>
> In 14 years do you really think the last releases will be available on disc? I have doubts about that.

I suspect that when the project is complete, the label will issue the whole thing in a box at a bargain price - if CD's are still a thing in 2032.
f***@yahoo.com
2018-07-26 21:34:45 UTC
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 1:23:53 PM UTC-8, wkasimer wrote:
> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 3:34:03 PM UTC-4, ***@verizon.net wrote:
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> > Thanks for the tip about the Antonini Haydn project. I found this article:
> > http://www.cpr.org/classical/story/haydn-composed-107-symphonies-this-conductor-wants-to-record-every-one-of-them
> >
> > In 14 years do you really think the last releases will be available on disc? I have doubts about that.
>
> I suspect that when the project is complete, the label will issue the whole thing in a box at a bargain price - if CD's are still a thing in 2032.

I tried to act smart with Fey's Haydn series, and it bit me hard! After buying the first 10 or so volumes individually, I thought that the whole lot will be issued in a cheap box anyway. To fund that future purchase, I sold off my Fey Haydn CDs. Very soon afterwards Fey had that career ending accident. I am now in the process of buying the individual volumes back.
Frank Berger
2018-07-26 21:41:46 UTC
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On 7/26/2018 5:34 PM, ***@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 1:23:53 PM UTC-8, wkasimer wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 3:34:03 PM UTC-4, ***@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the tip about the Antonini Haydn project. I found this article:
>>> http://www.cpr.org/classical/story/haydn-composed-107-symphonies-this-conductor-wants-to-record-every-one-of-them
>>>
>>> In 14 years do you really think the last releases will be available on disc? I have doubts about that.
>>
>> I suspect that when the project is complete, the label will issue the whole thing in a box at a bargain price - if CD's are still a thing in 2032.
>
> I tried to act smart with Fey's Haydn series, and it bit me hard! After buying the first 10 or so volumes individually, I thought that the whole lot will be issued in a cheap box anyway. To fund that future purchase, I sold off my Fey Haydn CDs. Very soon afterwards Fey had that career ending accident. I am now in the process of buying the individual volumes back.
>

I just ordered the ones I was missing today, except Symphony 31. The
seller was asking about $30.
Gerard
2018-07-26 21:49:27 UTC
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Op donderdag 26 juli 2018 21:34:03 UTC+2 schreef ***@verizon.net:
> Oscar, I regret I didn't act fast enough to get that Decca box as it came and went pretty quickly. It was in the range of $50-60 and now it's unavailable except for an Amazon reseller who's asking $600. I'm surprised a set like this was available so briefly and that Decca hasn't seen fit to reprint it.
>

I think it is available here (but not as a real bargain):
https://www.dodax.nl/nl-nl/muziek-cds-dvds-vinylplaten/concerten-symfonien-orkestmuziek/joseph-haydn-haydn-107-symphonies-dpV4G4Q9STV2A/
wkasimer
2018-07-27 11:15:58 UTC
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 3:34:03 PM UTC-4, ***@verizon.net wrote:

> Oscar, I regret I didn't act fast enough to get that Decca box as it came and went pretty quickly. It was in the range of $50-60 and now it's unavailable except for an Amazon reseller who's asking $600.

Keep an eye on eBay. A copy sold last week for "only" $180, although the price for this set is climbing (it sold for only $70 in April, and $120 in June).
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