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Böhm - DG "Late Recordings" - 23 CD - 06/2015
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Randy Lane
2015-05-25 00:01:01 UTC
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While there a few duplications, there's enough material in the forthcoming Böhm Late Recordings I do not currently have to give me yearning to acquire it, but I'm still hesitant.

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4794371

I have none of the Vienna Mozart recordings.
And the Haydn 90th and 91st, which I think have only been on CD in Japan.
The Tchaikovsky 4-6.
The Schumann 4th is new to CD AFAIK (Schubert 5th is the same coupled with Beethoven 6th on Originals CD).

Not included:
Recordings made in Japan in 1970s
Schubert Sym. #5 and #8, VPO 1977, LP 2531373 - AFAIK never on CD

Contents from Tower Japan

[CD1] Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 - the Vienna Philharmonic [1980 recording]
[CD2] Beethoven: Egmont Overture, Coriolan Overture,
Prometheus creative things Overture - the Vienna Philharmonic
[1971 Record, Fidelio overture,
Leonore Overture No. 3 - Dresden Staatskapelle [1969 recording]
[CD3 ~ 4] Beethoven: Missa Solemnis Op.123 ~ Vienna Philharmonic
[1974 recording ]
[CD5] Bruckner: Symphony No. 7 - the Vienna Philharmonic [1976 recording]
[CD6] Bruckner: Symphony No. 8 - the Vienna Philharmonic [1976 recording]
[CD7 ~ 8] Haydn: Symphony No. 88-92 No. ,
Sinfonia Concertante - Vienna Philharmonic [1972 ~ '73 recording]
[CD9 ~ 12] Mozart: Symphony No. 29, 35, 38, 39, 40, No. 41,
funeral music for free Mason, Eine Kleine Nachtmusik ,
Sinfonia Concertante
Vienna Philharmonic [1974 ~ '80 recording]
[CD13] Mozart: Requiem - the Vienna Philharmonic [1971 recording]
[CD14] Schumann: Symphony No. 4, Schubert: Symphony No. 5
Vienna Philharmonic [1978-1979 recording]
[CD15] Schubert: Symphony No. 8, Dvorak: Symphony No. 9
Vienna Philharmonic [1977-1978 recording]
[CD16] Schubert: Symphony No. 9 - Dresden Staatskapelle [1979 Recording]
[CD17] Johann Strauss II: The Blue Danube,
Toritchi-Toratchi Polka, Kaiser-Walzer,
thunder and lightning, tropical roses,
Johann Strauss II and Josef Strauss: Pizzicato Polka,
Johann Strauss 2 world: An'nen Polka, perpetuum mobile
Vienna Philharmonic [1971-1972 recording]
[CD18] R-Strauss: Heroes of life - the Vienna Philharmonic [1976 recording]
[CD19 ~ 21] Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 4-6
London Symphony Orchestra 1977 ~ '80 recording]
[CD22 ~ 23] Wagner: Rienzi Overture, Tannhauser Overture,
Prelude to the Meistersinger first act of Nuremberg,
Prelude to Parsifal first act, Flying Dutchman Overture,
Lohengrin Prelude to Act 1, Prelude, Prelude, death
Vienna Philharmonic [1978-1980
Recording of Isolde to Tristan and Isolde
first act of Lohengrin to Act 3 [performance]
Herman
2015-05-25 02:11:54 UTC
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they did not include the concertos with Pollini, Mozart 19 & 23 and Beethoven 3 - 5.
Steve de Mena
2015-05-25 07:38:03 UTC
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On 5/24/15 7:11 PM, Herman wrote:
> they did not include the concertos with Pollini, Mozart 19 & 23 and Beethoven 3 - 5.
>

They seemed to use 1976 or so as the cutoff point for "late
recordings". The Brahms Symphonies from 1975-76 are not included either.

Steve
Steve de Mena
2015-05-25 07:39:30 UTC
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On 5/25/15 12:38 AM, Steve de Mena wrote:
> On 5/24/15 7:11 PM, Herman wrote:
>> they did not include the concertos with Pollini, Mozart 19 & 23 and
>> Beethoven 3 - 5.
>>
>
> They seemed to use 1976 or so as the cutoff point for "late
> recordings". The Brahms Symphonies from 1975-76 are not included either.
>
> Steve

No, the box goes back to 1969 so it appears to be just someone's
selection of Böhm recordings....

Steve
Randy Lane
2015-05-25 14:15:18 UTC
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:39:32 AM UTC-7, Steven de Mena wrote:
> On 5/25/15 12:38 AM, Steve de Mena wrote:
> > On 5/24/15 7:11 PM, Herman wrote:
> >> they did not include the concertos with Pollini, Mozart 19 & 23 and
> >> Beethoven 3 - 5.
> >>
> >
> > They seemed to use 1976 or so as the cutoff point for "late
> > recordings". The Brahms Symphonies from 1975-76 are not included either.
> >
> > Steve
>
> No, the box goes back to 1969 so it appears to be just someone's
> selection of Böhm recordings....
>
> Steve

Found the "Late" title puzzling too.
Seems it is mainly non-Berlin P.O. DG recordings, with the last recording being offered where more than one exists.

It looks to original jacket/LP-content format, given the Tchaikovsky is spread among 3 CDs.

I figure 8-9 of the 23 CDs are duplications for me.
Ray Hall
2015-05-26 07:51:17 UTC
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Randy Lane wrote:

> It looks to original jacket/LP-content format, given the Tchaikovsky is spread among 3 CDs.
>
> I figure 8-9 of the 23 CDs are duplications for me.
>

Have you looked at the 22 CD Symphony box (Beethoven, Brahms, Mozart,
and Schubert) by Bohm, or is this duplicating too much?

The Berlin PO is used for the Mozart and Schubert and the VPO for the
Beethoven and Brahms.

Ray Hall, Taree
Herman
2015-05-25 14:40:20 UTC
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 4:11:57 AM UTC+2, Herman wrote:
> they did not include the concertos with Pollini, Mozart 19 & 23 and Beethoven 3 - 5.

I used to have most of those Mozart / VPO LPs, in many cases the first recordings of those symphonies I owned, but almost every other recording I subsequently got were more satisfying than late-life Böhm.

His seventies Mozart was pretty much drained of all energy.
Steve de Mena
2015-05-25 07:34:37 UTC
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On 5/24/15 5:01 PM, Randy Lane wrote:

> The Schumann 4th is new to CD AFAIK (Schubert 5th is the same coupled with Beethoven 6th on Originals CD).

Schumann 4 was on a Spanish DG CD, part of a large series of various
works/conductors which included some unusual releases new to CD.

>
> Not included:
> Recordings made in Japan in 1970s
> Schubert Sym. #5 and #8, VPO 1977, LP 2531373 - AFAIK never on CD

Schubert 8 was on a Spanish DG CD, part of a large series of various
works/conductors which included some unusual releases new to CD. But
it indicates a 1982 recording date.

I think DG LP 2531 373 came out in 1982, not 1977.

Schubert 5 is on DG Originals 289 447 4332 6 (with Beethoven 6).
Recorded December 1979 Musikverein.

Steve
Randy Lane
2015-05-25 12:24:47 UTC
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:34:39 AM UTC-7, Steven de Mena wrote:
> On 5/24/15 5:01 PM, Randy Lane wrote:
>
> > The Schumann 4th is new to CD AFAIK (Schubert 5th is the same coupled with Beethoven 6th on Originals CD).
>
> Schumann 4 was on a Spanish DG CD, part of a large series of various
> works/conductors which included some unusual releases new to CD.
>
> >
> > Not included:
> > Recordings made in Japan in 1970s
> > Schubert Sym. #5 and #8, VPO 1977, LP 2531373 - AFAIK never on CD
>
> Schubert 8 was on a Spanish DG CD, part of a large series of various
> works/conductors which included some unusual releases new to CD. But
> it indicates a 1982 recording date.
>
> I think DG LP 2531 373 came out in 1982, not 1977.
>
> Schubert 5 is on DG Originals 289 447 4332 6 (with Beethoven 6).
> Recorded December 1979 Musikverein.

I already noted that.

>
> Steve

It looks like the CHARM database mistakenly has two entries with different recordings dates for this recordings of the 5th, which was on two LPs. Timings of the 5th on the two LPs at Discogs are identical.

2531 373 (which CHARM says was recorded 06/16/1977) coupled with Schubert 8th recorded (per CHARM) 06/19/1977

http://www.discogs.com/Schubert-Karl-Boehm-Orchestre-Philharmonique-De-Vienne-Symphonies-N8-Inachev%C3%A9e-N5-En-Si-B%C3%A9mol-Maje/release/6810640

2531 279 (which CHARM says was recorded 11/28/1979) coupled with Schumann 4th recorded (per CHARM) 11/20/1978

http://www.discogs.com/Franz-Schubert-Robert-Schumann-Wiener-Philharmoniker-Karl-B%C3%B6hm-Schubert-Symphonie-No5-Schumann-Symp/release/6853178
Steve de Mena
2015-05-25 15:16:12 UTC
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On 5/25/15 5:24 AM, Randy Lane wrote:

> It looks like the CHARM database mistakenly has two entries with different recordings dates for this recordings of the 5th, which was on two LPs. Timings of the 5th on the two LPs at Discogs are identical.
>
> 2531 373 (which CHARM says was recorded 06/16/1977) coupled with Schubert 8th recorded (per CHARM) 06/19/1977
>
> http://www.discogs.com/Schubert-Karl-Boehm-Orchestre-Philharmonique-De-Vienne-Symphonies-N8-Inachev%C3%A9e-N5-En-Si-B%C3%A9mol-Maje/release/6810640
>
> 2531 279 (which CHARM says was recorded 11/28/1979) coupled with Schumann 4th recorded (per CHARM) 11/20/1978
>
> http://www.discogs.com/Franz-Schubert-Robert-Schumann-Wiener-Philharmoniker-Karl-B%C3%B6hm-Schubert-Symphonie-No5-Schumann-Symp/release/6853178
>

Thanks for the additional info.

Steve
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2018-03-07 21:10:07 UTC
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On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 2:01:03 PM UTC-10, Randy Lane wrote:
> While there a few duplications, there's enough material in the forthcoming Böhm Late Recordings I do not currently have to give me yearning to acquire it, but I'm still hesitant.
>
> http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4794371
>
> I have none of the Vienna Mozart recordings.
> And the Haydn 90th and 91st, which I think have only been on CD in Japan.
> The Tchaikovsky 4-6.
> The Schumann 4th is new to CD AFAIK (Schubert 5th is the same coupled with Beethoven 6th on Originals CD).
>
> Not included:
> Recordings made in Japan in 1970s
> Schubert Sym. #5 and #8, VPO 1977, LP 2531373 - AFAIK never on CD
>
> Contents from Tower Japan
>
> [CD1] Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 - the Vienna Philharmonic [1980 recording]
> [CD2] Beethoven: Egmont Overture, Coriolan Overture,
> Prometheus creative things Overture - the Vienna Philharmonic
> [1971 Record, Fidelio overture,
> Leonore Overture No. 3 - Dresden Staatskapelle [1969 recording]
> [CD3 ~ 4] Beethoven: Missa Solemnis Op.123 ~ Vienna Philharmonic
> [1974 recording ]
> [CD5] Bruckner: Symphony No. 7 - the Vienna Philharmonic [1976 recording]
> [CD6] Bruckner: Symphony No. 8 - the Vienna Philharmonic [1976 recording]
> [CD7 ~ 8] Haydn: Symphony No. 88-92 No. ,
> Sinfonia Concertante - Vienna Philharmonic [1972 ~ '73 recording]
> [CD9 ~ 12] Mozart: Symphony No. 29, 35, 38, 39, 40, No. 41,
> funeral music for free Mason, Eine Kleine Nachtmusik ,
> Sinfonia Concertante
> Vienna Philharmonic [1974 ~ '80 recording]
> [CD13] Mozart: Requiem - the Vienna Philharmonic [1971 recording]
> [CD14] Schumann: Symphony No. 4, Schubert: Symphony No. 5
> Vienna Philharmonic [1978-1979 recording]
> [CD15] Schubert: Symphony No. 8, Dvorak: Symphony No. 9
> Vienna Philharmonic [1977-1978 recording]
> [CD16] Schubert: Symphony No. 9 - Dresden Staatskapelle [1979 Recording]
> [CD17] Johann Strauss II: The Blue Danube,
> Toritchi-Toratchi Polka, Kaiser-Walzer,
> thunder and lightning, tropical roses,
> Johann Strauss II and Josef Strauss: Pizzicato Polka,
> Johann Strauss 2 world: An'nen Polka, perpetuum mobile
> Vienna Philharmonic [1971-1972 recording]
> [CD18] R-Strauss: Heroes of life - the Vienna Philharmonic [1976 recording]
> [CD19 ~ 21] Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 4-6
> London Symphony Orchestra 1977 ~ '80 recording]
> [CD22 ~ 23] Wagner: Rienzi Overture, Tannhauser Overture,
> Prelude to the Meistersinger first act of Nuremberg,
> Prelude to Parsifal first act, Flying Dutchman Overture,
> Lohengrin Prelude to Act 1, Prelude, Prelude, death
> Vienna Philharmonic [1978-1980
> Recording of Isolde to Tristan and Isolde
> first act of Lohengrin to Act 3 [performance]

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Wagner - Meistersinger Prelude - Bayreuth / Böhm 1968
Stefan Huber
2018-08-15 08:37:29 UTC
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Do you think that UMG will release a box set of all of Böhm's orchestral DG recordings in the foreseeable future? I think there are currently three box sets which should cover most of them, but still there is some duplication and other recordings are missing from them at all.
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