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OT - Festival Food on a Stick
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Bozo
2014-08-06 17:50:59 UTC
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Can you get these at Salzburg, or Proms, or Tanglewood, or Ravinia, or Blossom, or Waldbuhne ? :


http://www.iowastatefair.org/fair-attractions/food/on-a-stick/

http://www.theonion.com/articles/riotous-chanting-iowa-state-fair-crowd-gathers-for,33483/
Willem Orange
2014-08-06 21:36:05 UTC
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http://www.iowastatefair.org/fair-attractions/food/on-a-stick/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/riotous-chanting-iowa-state-fair-crowd-gathers-for,33483/
Hmm never saw them at Salzburg or Waldbuhne - not that they wouldn't sell!!!!
Bozo
2015-06-27 23:33:00 UTC
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Can you get these at Salzburg, or Proms, or Tanglewood, or Ravinia, or Blossom, or Waldbuhne > or Verbier or LaRoque or Flanneries..
http://www.iowastatefair.org/fair-attractions/food/on-a-stick/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/riotous-chanting-iowa-state-fair-crowd-gathers-for,33483/
The new items for 2015, in addition to the deep fried virgin at Onion above :

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/local/iowa-state-fair/2015/06/24/iowa-state-fair-new-foods/29227591/

1. Apple Pie On-a-Stick.
2. Bruschetta.
3. Cattleman's Steak Wrap.
4. Chocolate Dipped Strawberries On-a-Stick.
5. Corn in a Cup, a pile of sweet corn cut right off the cob, then mixed with chorizo sausage, chayote cheese, lime juice, mayo, butter and a mix of spices the fair calls "magic dust."
6. Deep Fried Cherry Pie.
7. Deep Fried Nacho Balls.
8. Donut Sundae.
9. Golden Fried Peanut Butter & Jelly On-a-Stick.
10. Gluten-Free Corndog.
11. Kernel Kluster.
12. Pumpkin Spice Funnel Cake.
13. Toasted Coconut Caramel Cluster, a frozen chocolate-dipped marvel of fudge and pretzel bits.
14. Ultimate Bacon Explosion, featuring 8 ounces of bacon-wrapped brisket trimmings infused with jalapeno cheese and spices, then smoke and spritzed with sweet chili barbecue sauce.
15. 27° Super Chill Beer.

State Fair officials also announced a new variety of the Fair Square puffed-rice cereal bar, which tastes like a Chocolate Marshmallow Malt.
Oscar
2015-06-28 00:46:26 UTC
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Will you send me a JEB '16 bumper sticker?
Bozo
2015-06-28 01:22:23 UTC
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Post by Oscar
Will you send me a JEB '16 bumper sticker?
Sorry, here in Iowa we're going for Bernie Sanders.
John Wiser
2015-06-28 02:45:04 UTC
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Post by Oscar
Will you send me a JEB '16 bumper sticker?
Sorry, here in Iowa we're going for Bernie Sanders.
But too fat to fit in the polling booth.

jdw
Herman
2015-06-28 10:59:24 UTC
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But too fat to fit in the polling booth.
jdw
they're double wide in the Midwest.
Bozo
2015-06-28 13:37:34 UTC
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Post by Herman
they're double wide in the Midwest.
All the more to love !
n***@gmail.com
2015-06-28 16:42:16 UTC
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At the Wisconsin fair, one of the biggies is chocolate covered bacon on a stick.

I've been making toasted peanut butter and jelly for years. Same recipe as toasted cheese and tomato soup, but with breakfast sausage on the side.
laraine
2015-07-10 17:17:45 UTC
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http://www.iowastatefair.org/fair-attractions/food/on-a-stick/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/riotous-chanting-iowa-state-fair-crowd-gathers-for,33483/
There is definitely ice cream (on a stick or not) at Ravinia.

Have not tried their other food, but I see lemonade cake on a
menu. And when I google it, I see there actually is such a thing
as lemonade cake, where you add lemonade.

C.
Bozo
2015-07-14 16:24:51 UTC
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Post by laraine
And when I google it, I see there actually is such a thing
as lemonade cake, where you add lemonade.
I would prefer to add bourbon for a typical bourbon cake , but I guess you could add both for a whiskey sour cake ? Or just skip all the sugar in the lemonade and sugar and fat in the cake, and drink the bourbon.
Bozo
2015-08-14 11:29:24 UTC
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The food list for this year's Iowa State Fair , home this week of all Presidential hopefuls:

http://data.desmoinesregister.com/fairfood/index.html
HT
2015-08-14 13:30:38 UTC
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http://data.desmoinesregister.com/fairfood/index.html
Iowans must among the most creative (what a list of activities!) - and their fairs don't deserve to be OT. Vocal Trash will be musically more satisfying to these ears than any concert by Reinbert d Leeuw and his ensemble.

Henk
Bozo
2015-08-14 16:38:23 UTC
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Not to mention the Bandaloni one-man strolling band and Deep-fried Bull fries !
Bozo
2016-01-16 14:28:52 UTC
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More about food in Iowa, and more :

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/travel/iowa-caucus-donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0
Gerard
2016-01-16 14:47:29 UTC
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More about food in Iowa, and more :

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So are you ggggg?
Bob Harper
2016-01-16 17:41:14 UTC
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Post by Gerard
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not of
interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting it,
you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.

Bob Harper
Bob Harper
2016-01-16 18:10:43 UTC
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Post by Gerard
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not of
interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting it,
you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.
Bob Harper
Oh dear, 'assumed an importance in', of course, though I think my
original word order would work in German :)

Bob Harper
graham
2016-01-16 19:52:07 UTC
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not of
interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting it,
you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.
Bob Harper
Oh dear, 'assumed an importance in', of course, though I think my
original word order would work in German :)
Bob Harper
To paraphrase ggggg, regarding the above, the following may be of
interest:-)
http://www.theguardian.com/media/mind-your-language/2016/jan/15/back-to-prep-school

Graham
Bob Harper
2016-01-16 22:03:11 UTC
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Post by Gerard
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not of
interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting it,
you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.
Bob Harper
Oh dear, 'assumed an importance in', of course, though I think my
original word order would work in German :)
Bob Harper
To paraphrase ggggg, regarding the above, the following may be of
interest:-)
http://www.theguardian.com/media/mind-your-language/2016/jan/15/back-to-prep-school
Graham
A paraphrase, perhaps, but in this case it *is* interesting. Thanks.

Bob Harper
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2017-07-20 09:22:30 UTC
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not of
interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting it,
you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.
Bob Harper
Oh dear, 'assumed an importance in', of course, though I think my
original word order would work in German :)
Bob Harper
To paraphrase ggggg, regarding the above, the following may be of
interest:-)
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Norman Schwartz
2016-01-17 00:53:31 UTC
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Post by Gerard
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to
its deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not
of interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting
it, you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.
There's a lot to read from Bozo's link, what's the take home lesson there? I
think gggg usually shows the point.
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Bob Harper
Bozo
2016-01-17 02:11:43 UTC
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There's a lot to read from Bozo's link, what's the take home lesson there?
" This was the Iowa I had not known, the America I knew in my bones was there all along. Its votes came first for good reason."
Norman Schwartz
2016-01-17 15:31:48 UTC
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On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:54:18 PM UTC-6, Norman Schwartz
wrote: There's a lot to read from Bozo's link, what's the take home
lesson there?
" This was the Iowa I had not known, the America I knew in my bones
was there all along. Its votes came first for good reason."
Bozo, thank you.
Gerard
2016-01-17 10:40:44 UTC
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not of
interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting it,
you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.

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Is there something to tell about Iowa in an newsgroup about recordings of
classical music?
Maybe ..... in a newsgroup about village news.
Bob Harper
2016-01-17 22:13:07 UTC
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Post by Gerard
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not of
interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting it,
you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.
=====================
Is there something to tell about Iowa in an newsgroup about recordings
of classical music?
Maybe ..... in a newsgroup about village news.
Again, Gerard, the post is labelled *OT*. While the *name* of this
newsgroup is, to be sure, RMCR, there is no requirement that all posts
be on that topic. If you wish to change that, why don't you run for
moderator so that you can strictly control what is discussed? I
wouldn't, however, count on getting sufficient support to make that a
reality. We are not all monomaniacs.

Bob Harper
Gerard
2016-01-17 22:47:07 UTC
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Post by Gerard
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not of
interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting it,
you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.
=====================
Is there something to tell about Iowa in an newsgroup about recordings
of classical music?
Maybe ..... in a newsgroup about village news.
Again, Gerard, the post is labelled *OT*. While the *name* of this
newsgroup is, to be sure, RMCR, there is no requirement that all posts
be on that topic. If you wish to change that, why don't you run for
moderator so that you can strictly control what is discussed? I
wouldn't, however, count on getting sufficient support to make that a
reality. We are not all monomaniacs.
======================

I give my opinion. Right?
If you wish to change that, run for moderator yourself.
Bob Harper
2016-01-17 23:13:06 UTC
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Post by Bob Harper
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So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled 'OT' and was
actually rather interesting as an in-depth view of a place which has
assumed an in American politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If it is not of
interest to you, don't read it, but by scolding Steve for posting it,
you tell us more about yourself than about him or about Iowa.
=====================
Is there something to tell about Iowa in an newsgroup about recordings
of classical music?
Maybe ..... in a newsgroup about village news.
Again, Gerard, the post is labelled *OT*. While the *name* of this
newsgroup is, to be sure, RMCR, there is no requirement that all posts
be on that topic. If you wish to change that, why don't you run for
moderator so that you can strictly control what is discussed? I
wouldn't, however, count on getting sufficient support to make that a
reality. We are not all monomaniacs.
======================
I give my opinion. Right?
If you wish to change that, run for moderator yourself.
Your opinion's welcome. It's just that you're so prissy about it.

With respect to my candidacy for moderator, I can do no better than to
quote General William Tecumseh Sherman: "If nominated I will not run; if
elected I will not serve."

Bob Harper
Frank Berger
2016-01-18 01:46:50 UTC
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On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 11:38:26 AM UTC-5,
============================
So are you ggggg?
No, Gerard, he isn't. The post was clearly labelled
'OT' and was actually rather interesting as an in-depth
view of a place which has assumed an in American
politics importance all out of proportion to its
deserts, but is a slice of Americana worth knowing. If
it is not of interest to you, don't read it, but by
scolding Steve for posting it, you tell us more about
yourself than about him or about Iowa.
=====================
Is there something to tell about Iowa in an newsgroup
about recordings of classical music? Maybe ..... in a
newsgroup about village news.
Again, Gerard, the post is labelled *OT*. While the
*name* of this newsgroup is, to be sure, RMCR, there is
no requirement that all posts be on that topic. If you
wish to change that, why don't you run for moderator so
that you can strictly control what is discussed? I
wouldn't, however, count on getting sufficient support to
make that a reality. We are not all monomaniacs.
Bob Harper
It never fails to amaze me how, knowing that RMCR is
unmoderated, and that no power on earth can prevent OT
discussions, that some people will continually rail against
same. It's like beating your head against a wall.
Gerard
2016-01-18 11:08:34 UTC
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"Frank Berger" wrote in message news:NNqdndyFaIQe2QHLnZ2dnUU7-***@supernews.com...

It never fails to amaze me how, knowing that RMCR is
unmoderated, and that no power on earth can prevent OT
discussions, that some people will continually rail against
same. It's like beating your head against a wall.

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Some people are very easily "amazed".
In your case probably because you are the US national OT champion.
John Thomas
2016-01-16 22:20:02 UTC
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/travel/iowa-caucus-donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0
Are those "Feel the Bern" boxer shorts available for export?
Bob Harper
2015-08-14 15:35:34 UTC
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http://data.desmoinesregister.com/fairfood/index.html
Well, a lunch of the Caprese Salad on-a-Stick followed by the Ultimate
Brisket Bacon Bomb with Apple Pie on-a-Stick for dessert sounds pretty
tasty :)

Bob Harper
Bozo
2016-06-17 17:29:16 UTC
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http://data.desmoinesregister.com/fairfood/index.html
And new items for 2016 announced :

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/iowa-state-fair/2016/06/15/dig-into-these-26-new-foods-iowa-state-fair/85822514/
graham
2016-06-17 18:21:23 UTC
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http://data.desmoinesregister.com/fairfood/index.html
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/iowa-state-fair/2016/06/15/dig-into-these-26-new-foods-iowa-state-fair/85822514/
I didn't see "Deep Fried Butter" so I suppose that has become a staple:-)
Graham
Bozo
2016-06-17 20:37:32 UTC
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I didn't see "Deep Fried Butter" so I suppose that has become a staple:-)
Not sure. The complete 2016 list will be out later ; I'll try to post.
Some history : http://tinyurl.com/zdqenqb

I dont think there is moose on a stick or northern pike on a stick - yet.
Frank Berger
2016-06-17 20:49:10 UTC
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Post by graham
I didn't see "Deep Fried Butter" so I suppose that has become a staple:-)
Not sure. The complete 2016 list will be out later ; I'll try to post.
Some history : http://tinyurl.com/zdqenqb
I dont think there is moose on a stick or northern pike on a stick - yet.
Gefilte fish on a stick?

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Bozo
2016-07-30 19:42:22 UTC
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... The complete 2016 list will be out later ; I'll try to post.
Some history : http://tinyurl.com/zdqenqb
As promised ,the complete 2016 Iowa State Fair list , with some "healthy " choices , starting in 2 weeks :

https://www.iowastatefair.org/food/

And this week was RAGBRAI ( Register's Annual Great Bike Ride Across Iowa ) , with about 15,000 riders.Day 5 route ran about 25 miles northwest of my hometown :

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/picture-gallery/life/living-well/ragbrai/2016/07/28/ragbrai-day-5-photos-centerville-to-ottumwa/87655798/

From, Ottumwa Courier,1948:
"Ottumwa" is a corruption of the Fox Indian word
"Autumya-noc" or "Ottumwa-Noc." There are three
disputed interpretations as to its meaning. Josiah Smart,
who was an Indian interpreter for General Street (at
Agency), stated it means "Place (Noc) of Swift water."
Uriah Biggs of the Appanoose Rapids Company stated
"Ottumwanoc" means "Place of Perseverance or
Self-
will," and claimed the Indians themselves told him that.
The third interpretation, also traceable to one who un-
derstood the language, is "Place of Hermits."
This derives from the fact that Chief Appanoose moved
his people from the Sac and Fox Nation villages on the
Iowa, Cedar, Skunk and eastern streams, to the village
at the rapids, which for years were caled Appanoose
Rapids. Of the three, historians generally give greatest
credence to Smart's translation, "Place of Swift Water".


Centerville is the County seat of Appanoose,County.
HT
2016-07-31 12:53:42 UTC
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Of the three, historians generally give greatest
credence to Smart's translation, "Place of Swift Water".
A reasonable decision, so it seems to me. <g>

Henk
HT
2016-07-31 13:00:27 UTC
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Steve,

Our self-appointed moderator has been busy again. <g> Certainly not a bon vivant, since he hates the good life in Iowa - where creativity with calories has reached an unattainable level for those who didn't grow up in a land of honey, butter, steaks etc. etc. Slaraffenland does exist!

Henk
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"HT" wrote in message news:1fea4468-58cc-4a96-bc32-***@googlegroups.com...

Steve,

Our self-appointed moderator has been busy again.

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Doing what?
HT
2016-07-31 14:21:43 UTC
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Steve,
Our self-appointed moderator has been busy again.
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Doing what?
Hide the thread.

Henk
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2016-07-31 16:12:05 UTC
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Steve,
Our self-appointed moderator has been busy again.
=================
Doing what?
Hide the thread.

===============

It's still here, and I can see it, your posts included.
Maybe you are using Google Groups - the only place on the planet where
people can hide threads?
HT
2016-07-31 16:38:44 UTC
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Steve,
Our self-appointed moderator has been busy again.
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Doing what?
Hide the thread.
===============
It's still here, and I can see it, your posts included.
Maybe you are using Google Groups - the only place on the planet where
people can hide threads?
<g> Yes, I do. Is there another way?

Henk
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Steve,
Our self-appointed moderator has been busy again.
=================
Doing what?
Hide the thread.
===============
It's still here, and I can see it, your posts included.
Maybe you are using Google Groups - the only place on the planet where
people can hide threads?
<g> Yes, I do. Is there another way?

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Yes, any appropriate news reader program will do the job.
I'm using Windows Live Mail (a Microsoft product, in former years named
"Outlook Express") for e-mail and for usenet newsgroups.
But there are many more programs like this.
Google Groups derives its content from those usenet groups.
Using a newsreader program you see what happens in newsgroups, without the
rubbish that Google Groups has created around them.


Some welll known names:

Mozilla Thunderbird
XNews
Forte Agent
40tude Dialog

Some lists:

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsreader_(Usenet)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders

To use such a program an account of a news(group) provider is requested.
In most cases an Internet Service Provider supports newsgroups and maintains
a news server, and an account is available for the ISP customers.
Some independent news servers exist (wasn't there a famous one of a Berlin
university?).
HT
2016-07-31 22:11:36 UTC
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Steve,
Our self-appointed moderator has been busy again.
=================
Doing what?
Hide the thread.
===============
It's still here, and I can see it, your posts included.
Maybe you are using Google Groups - the only place on the planet where
people can hide threads?
<g> Yes, I do. Is there another way?
===============
Yes, any appropriate news reader program will do the job.
I'm using Windows Live Mail (a Microsoft product, in former years named
"Outlook Express") for e-mail and for usenet newsgroups.
But there are many more programs like this.
Google Groups derives its content from those usenet groups.
Using a newsreader program you see what happens in newsgroups, without the
rubbish that Google Groups has created around them.
Mozilla Thunderbird
XNews
Forte Agent
40tude Dialog
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsreader_(Usenet)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders
To use such a program an account of a news(group) provider is requested.
In most cases an Internet Service Provider supports newsgroups and maintains
a news server, and an account is available for the ISP customers.
Some independent news servers exist (wasn't there a famous one of a Berlin
university?).
Gerard, many thanks! I'll try one of the Usenet readers you mentioned!

Henk
Frank Berger
2016-08-01 00:51:04 UTC
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Steve,
Our self-appointed moderator has been busy again.
=================
Doing what?
Hide the thread.
===============
It's still here, and I can see it, your posts included.
Maybe you are using Google Groups - the only place on the planet where
people can hide threads?
I've been happily using Thunderbird and news.supernews.com
as the service provider which costs $5.95 per month.
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Post by HT
<g> Yes, I do. Is there another way?
===============
Yes, any appropriate news reader program will do the job.
I'm using Windows Live Mail (a Microsoft product, in former years named
"Outlook Express") for e-mail and for usenet newsgroups.
But there are many more programs like this.
Google Groups derives its content from those usenet groups.
Using a newsreader program you see what happens in newsgroups, without the
rubbish that Google Groups has created around them.
Mozilla Thunderbird
XNews
Forte Agent
40tude Dialog
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsreader_(Usenet)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders
To use such a program an account of a news(group) provider is requested.
In most cases an Internet Service Provider supports newsgroups and maintains
a news server, and an account is available for the ISP customers.
Some independent news servers exist (wasn't there a famous one of a Berlin
university?).
Gerard, many thanks! I'll try one of the Usenet readers you mentioned!
Henk
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Steve,
Our self-appointed moderator has been busy again.
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Doing what?
Hide the thread.
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It's still here, and I can see it, your posts included.
Maybe you are using Google Groups - the only place on the planet where
people can hide threads?
I've been happily using Thunderbird and news.supernews.com as the
service provider which costs $5.95 per month.
I also use Thunderbird, which costs me $2.95/month. Works very well.

Bob Harper
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<g> Yes, I do. Is there another way?
(snip)
Bozo
2016-08-05 17:59:41 UTC
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https://www.iowastatefair.org/food/
The 13 " most gluttonous " foods at the Fair :

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/entertainment/dining/2016/08/05/13-most-gluttonous-foods-iowa-state-fair/88267520/

"Healthy" list at the earlier link above.
Bozo
2016-08-31 12:17:59 UTC
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Not State Fair food, but German prince likes the apple pie milk shake and others :

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/entertainment/go-iowa-city/2016/08/29/german-prince-liked-what-he-saw-iowa-city/89563310/
HT
2016-08-31 19:14:04 UTC
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http://www.press-citizen.com/story/entertainment/go-iowa-city/2016/08/29/german-prince-liked-what-he-saw-iowa-city/89563310/
<g> If only all the US were like Iowa!

Henk
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http://www.press-citizen.com/story/entertainment/go-iowa-city/2016/08/29/german-prince-liked-what-he-saw-iowa-city/89563310/
<g> If only all the US were like Iowa!
Henk
Isn't it?

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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/entertainment/dining/2016/08/05/13-most-gluttonous-foods->iowa-state-fair/88267520/
"Healthy" list at the earlier link above.
39 new foods for the 2017 Iowa State Fair in August :

Officials unveiled the list of new state fair foods at 1 p.m. today at the Fairgrounds (* indicates People's Choice Best New Food finalist) :

* Apple Taco

Bacon Cheese Fries

Bacon In A Cup

Bacon Wrapped Chicken On A Stick

Bacon Wrapped Hot Dog

* Bauder Mud

The Blue Ribbon Gourmet Burger

Bomb Pop Lemonade

* Bruschetta Sundae 'Mt. Vesuvius'

Bubble Tea

The Buddha Bar

* Campfire Cones

Cattleman's Taco Haystack

* Cheesy Fried Enchilada Funnel Cake

* Chocolate Lava Cake

Churro Fries

The Depot Gourmet Burger

The Eastsider Gourmet Burger

Egg Rolls

Fair Square (birthday cake)

Fiery Popcorn (slightly spicy)

* Fruit & Chocolate Fondue

* Golden Fry Choco Pocko

* Iowa's Big Pork Leg

The Main Gate Gourmet Burger

* Mig's Hickory Smoked Chicken BLT Wrap

* Pancake Taco

Peanut Butter Caramel Corn
Peanut Butter Popcorn

Popcorn Cow

Popcorn Pig

* Pork Almighty

Poutine

Ragin Cajun Funnel Cake

* Rah! Edible Cook E Dough

Strawberry Shaker Salad

Sweet Brat Corndog with maple syrup on a stick

* Sweet Potato TotChos

* Thanksgiving Balls

Three Little Pigs

Totchos Grande

TotChos Scrambler

Veggie TotChos
Bozo
2017-07-18 20:49:19 UTC
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Sorry, forgot these links to complete the picture:

The 13 " most gluttonous " foods at the Fair :

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/entertainment/dining/2016/08/05/13-most-gluttonous-foods-iowa-state-fair/88267520/


The complete 2017 Iowa State Fair list , with some "healthy " choices :

https://www.iowastatefair.org/food/
Bozo
2017-07-30 01:49:44 UTC
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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/entertainment/dining/2016/08/05/13-most-gluttonous-foods->iowa-state-fair/88267520/
https://www.iowastatefair.org/food/
Confirmed ;

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/local/iowa-state-fair/2017/07/27/iowa-state-fair-four-loko-parties-amerca/515715001/
HT
2017-07-30 09:03:42 UTC
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http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/local/iowa-state-fair/2017/07/27/iowa-state-fair-four-loko-parties-amerca/515715001/
This year's batch of Iowa State Fair foods look even more ominous than last year's. North Korea is certainly the lesser danger. <g>

Henk
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2017-08-04 01:08:55 UTC
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This year's batch of Iowa State Fair foods look even more ominous than last year's. North Korea is certainly >the lesser danger. <g>
2 Fair videos here :

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/iowa-state-fair/2017/08/02/iowa-state-fair-best-burger/532632001/

And Trump is the greatest danger ; to the entire World.
HT
2017-08-04 08:20:54 UTC
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And Trump is the greatest danger ; to the entire World.
It seems that the Army has taken over the White House in the person of General Kelly. Congress and Senate certainly are with a president so weak that he cannot even manage his own staff.

Henk
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2017-08-04 13:39:42 UTC
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,,, president so weak that he cannot even manage his own staff.
What concerns me most is what the North Koreans think they can , or must, do .
Frank Berger
2017-08-04 15:16:40 UTC
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,,, president so weak that he cannot even manage his own staff.
What concerns me most is what the North Koreans think they can , or must, do .
Do you think the North Koreans are more dangerous to us
because of Trump?
Al Eisner
2017-08-09 20:45:56 UTC
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,,, president so weak that he cannot even manage his own staff.
What concerns me most is what the North Koreans think they can , or must, do .
Do you think the North Koreans are more dangerous to us because of Trump?
I try to avoid discussing non-music topics here, but since Steve hasn't
replied to you (he is presumably too busy with his food on a stick and
other odd Iowan customs), and in light of Trump's comments yesterday....

Trump has in effect threatened N. Korea with nuclear war, not in
response to an actual attack, but just in response to threats. (He
is apparently striving to imitate Kim Jong-un.) Sec'y Mattis may
have made this even worse today, by explicitly referring to the fall
of the North Korean regime. If Kim believes that such comments
suggest the prospect of a pre-emptive strike by the US, then, yes,
North Korea becomes much more dangerous (in the first place to the
South and to Japan, but also to us). What do you think?

Sec'y Tillerson, while inconsistent in his remarks, appears to have
in mind a more cautious and thoughtful reality-based approach. But it
is not clear yet whether Trump will let him do his job.

I'll now return to my pervious policy. :)
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Al Eisner
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2017-08-09 22:12:00 UTC
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,,, president so weak that he cannot even manage his own
staff.
What concerns me most is what the North Koreans think
they can , or must, do .
Do you think the North Koreans are more dangerous to us
because of Trump?
I try to avoid discussing non-music topics here, but since
Steve hasn't
replied to you (he is presumably too busy with his food on a
stick and
other odd Iowan customs), and in light of Trump's comments
yesterday....
Trump has in effect threatened N. Korea with nuclear war,
not in
response to an actual attack, but just in response to
threats. (He
is apparently striving to imitate Kim Jong-un.) Sec'y
Mattis may
have made this even worse today, by explicitly referring to
the fall
of the North Korean regime. If Kim believes that such
comments suggest the prospect of a pre-emptive strike by the
US, then, yes, North Korea becomes much more dangerous (in
the first place to the
South and to Japan, but also to us). What do you think?
I do not reflexively reject the concept of a pre-emptive
strike. Whether it is a good idea now or in the near
future, I do not know. I do know that it would be a very,
very bad idea for the PDRNK to acquire a nuclear arsernal
with the ability to deliver it.
Post by Al Eisner
Sec'y Tillerson, while inconsistent in his remarks, appears
to have
in mind a more cautious and thoughtful reality-based
approach. But it
is not clear yet whether Trump will let him do his job.
I'll now return to my pervious policy. :)
Bozo
2017-08-09 22:43:53 UTC
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I now completely agree with Al and Henk, and now feel Trump has pushed the NK's to the "must do." I did not think even clueless Trump would be so irresponsible , or that Mattis,and GOP leadership , would become such b--lickers.Several knowledgable and experienced diplomats have suggested numerous, likely successful strategies to resolve the issues thru negotiation, rather than pre-emptive strikes , so to suggest we may have no choice besides war is an erroneous conclusion. But, 2-minute man,half-page memo Trump has no attention span nor intelligence, is a self-absorbed nut, and apparently creates his foreign policy on dinner napkins , threatening nuclear war based on his experience gained in 6 Bankruptcies , real estate deals ,and working with his Russian cronies.He hasn't even figured out NK was laughing at him with their Guam threat. I thought maybe the 25th Amendment or impeachment or the 2020 elections were the way out ; what we need is an immediate coup d'etat coordinated by the Pentagon and Congress ; but it's too late. The 36 % got conned. Trump has even turned on Mitch McConnell and our Afghanistan commanding General. Anbd recall his campaign comment : " If we have nuclear weapons,why dont we use them " ; even in Eastern Europe ! Mon Dieu.
Bozo
2017-08-10 00:55:37 UTC
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http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/wilkerson-trump-acting-like-he-s-negotiating-a-casino-deal-1020354627800?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/trump-gets-a-folder-of-good-news-about-himself-twice-a-day-1021219907644

We have a complete fraud as “ President.”

No response necessary. Nor solicited.
Bozo
2017-08-10 01:02:04 UTC
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We have a complete fraud as “ President.”
http://tinyurl.com/ybop2yvy ("Bombs Away with Curtis LeMay " , George Wallace's VP running mate 1968 )
Bozo
2017-08-10 01:13:26 UTC
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We have a complete fraud as “ President.”
While Rome burns:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/photos-capture-trump-playing-golf-working-vacation-222736212.html
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2017-08-11 02:42:32 UTC
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I do not reflexively reject the concept of a pre-emptive strike.
Whether it is a good idea now or in the near future, I do not know. I
do know that it would be a very, very bad idea for the PDRNK to acquire
a nuclear arsernal with the ability to deliver it.
Indeed. That *IS* the most important consideration. I do not relish the
idea of war, whether it directly affects me or not. If there is a way to
decapitate the North Korean capacity to threaten the rest of the world
without military violence, I'm all for it. We shall see.

Bob Harper
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2017-08-11 02:52:58 UTC
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I do not reflexively reject the concept of a pre-emptive
strike. Whether it is a good idea now or in the near
future, I do not know. I do know that it would be a very,
very bad idea for the PDRNK to acquire a nuclear arsernal
with the ability to deliver it.
Indeed. That *IS* the most important consideration. I do not
relish the idea of war, whether it directly affects me or
not. If there is a way to decapitate the North Korean
capacity to threaten the rest of the world without military
violence, I'm all for it. We shall see.
Bob Harper
Bad guys will impose costs on us one way or another. Some
people seem to be in denial about that. If a terrorist
wants to blow us up, we have to either get blown up, give
him what he wants, or incur costs to stop him from blowing
us up. The blame for what happens is unambiguously on him.
Is there anyone who would argue that Nazi Germany shouldn't
have been confronted sooner? I guess history repeats itself
because human nature (denial, cowardice) doesn't change.

A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי
2017-08-11 04:18:38 UTC
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Some people seem to be in denial about that. If a terrorist
wants to blow us up, we have to either get blown up,
give him what he wants, or incur costs to stop him from blowing
us up.

A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?


YM
YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי
2017-08-11 04:29:58 UTC
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A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
Which Kim?
YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי
2017-08-11 04:52:41 UTC
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Bad guys will impose costs on us one way or another. Some
people seem to be in denial about that. If a terrorist
wants to blow us up, we have to either get blown up, give
him what he wants, or incur costs to stop him from blowing
us up.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/04/us/nation-challenged-intelligence-agency-secret-cia-site-new-york-was-destroyed.html
Richard Breitman
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The blame for what happens is unambiguously on him.
Is there anyone who would argue that Nazi Germany shouldn't
have been confronted sooner? I guess history repeats itself
because human nature (denial, cowardice) doesn't change.

Post by Frank Berger
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
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Does someone want to explain that to me?
Enough told, Frank Beggars.
m***@gmail.com
2017-08-11 08:29:08 UTC
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I do not reflexively reject the concept of a pre-emptive
strike. Whether it is a good idea now or in the near
future, I do not know. I do know that it would be a very,
very bad idea for the PDRNK to acquire a nuclear arsernal
with the ability to deliver it.
Indeed. That *IS* the most important consideration. I do not
relish the idea of war, whether it directly affects me or
not. If there is a way to decapitate the North Korean
capacity to threaten the rest of the world without military
violence, I'm all for it. We shall see.
Bob Harper
Bad guys will impose costs on us one way or another. Some
people seem to be in denial about that. If a terrorist
wants to blow us up, we have to either get blown up, give
him what he wants, or incur costs to stop him from blowing
us up. The blame for what happens is unambiguously on him.
Is there anyone who would argue that Nazi Germany shouldn't
have been confronted sooner? I guess history repeats itself
because human nature (denial, cowardice) doesn't change.
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
But if we strike North Korea first won't they immediately strike South Korea??? What happens to the 30,000 Americans living there????
YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי
2017-08-11 09:47:20 UTC
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Post by Frank Berger
Post by Bob Harper
Post by Frank Berger
I do not reflexively reject the concept of a pre-emptive
strike. Whether it is a good idea now or in the near
future, I do not know. I do know that it would be a very,
very bad idea for the PDRNK to acquire a nuclear arsernal
with the ability to deliver it.
Indeed. That *IS* the most important consideration. I do not
relish the idea of war, whether it directly affects me or
not. If there is a way to decapitate the North Korean
capacity to threaten the rest of the world without military
violence, I'm all for it. We shall see.
Bob Harper
Bad guys will impose costs on us one way or another. Some
people seem to be in denial about that. If a terrorist
wants to blow us up, we have to either get blown up, give
him what he wants, or incur costs to stop him from blowing
us up. The blame for what happens is unambiguously on him.
Is there anyone who would argue that Nazi Germany shouldn't
have been confronted sooner? I guess history repeats itself
because human nature (denial, cowardice) doesn't change.
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
But if we strike North Korea first won't they immediately strike South Korea??? What happens to the 30,000 Americans living there????
It won't happen.
Frank Berger
2017-08-11 12:05:32 UTC
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Post by Frank Berger
Post by Bob Harper
Post by Frank Berger
I do not reflexively reject the concept of a pre-emptive
strike. Whether it is a good idea now or in the near
future, I do not know. I do know that it would be a very,
very bad idea for the PDRNK to acquire a nuclear arsernal
with the ability to deliver it.
Indeed. That *IS* the most important consideration. I do not
relish the idea of war, whether it directly affects me or
not. If there is a way to decapitate the North Korean
capacity to threaten the rest of the world without military
violence, I'm all for it. We shall see.
Bob Harper
Bad guys will impose costs on us one way or another. Some
people seem to be in denial about that. If a terrorist
wants to blow us up, we have to either get blown up, give
him what he wants, or incur costs to stop him from blowing
us up. The blame for what happens is unambiguously on him.
Is there anyone who would argue that Nazi Germany shouldn't
have been confronted sooner? I guess history repeats itself
because human nature (denial, cowardice) doesn't change.
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
But if we strike North Korea first won't they immediately strike South Korea??? What happens to the 30,000 Americans living there????
This is the denial I referred to. You strike first if you
think there is a high probability that something worse will
happen if you don't. It's a terrible, terrible position to
be in.
YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי
2017-08-11 10:23:46 UTC
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Post by Frank Berger
Bad guys will impose costs on us one way or another. Some
people seem to be in denial about that. If a terrorist
wants to blow us up, we have to either get blown up, give
him what he wants, or incur costs to stop him from blowing
us up. The blame for what happens is unambiguously on him.
Is there anyone who would argue that Nazi Germany shouldn't
have been confronted sooner? I guess history repeats itself
because human nature (denial, cowardice) doesn't change.
What if he is the victim of kidnapping and repeated Nazi invasions
in result of an intentional terror like 911?

YM
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2017-08-11 13:06:35 UTC
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Post by Frank Berger
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
You left out that Korean reunification would be accompanied by the
withdrawal of US forces and missiles from the Korean peninsula. The
idea is to make the deal so attractive to China and Russia that they
would do everything the could to make it happen. At least publicly,
the US is now offering next to nothing.
Frank Berger
2017-08-11 14:18:45 UTC
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Post by Frank Berger
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
You left out that Korean reunification would be accompanied by the
withdrawal of US forces and missiles from the Korean peninsula. The
idea is to make the deal so attractive to China and Russia that they
would do everything the could to make it happen. At least publicly,
the US is now offering next to nothing.
OK, I'm no expert on Korean peninsula politics, but is there
some evidence, beyond fanciful thinking, that presence of
U.S. forces in South Korea is that big a deal to Russia and
China? And that if it was, that they could induce Kim to
give up power? It seems far-fatched to me.
Ricardo Jimenez
2017-08-11 15:41:07 UTC
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Post by Frank Berger
Post by Ricardo Jimenez
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:52:58 -0400, Frank Berger
Post by Frank Berger
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
You left out that Korean reunification would be accompanied by the
withdrawal of US forces and missiles from the Korean peninsula. The
idea is to make the deal so attractive to China and Russia that they
would do everything the could to make it happen. At least publicly,
the US is now offering next to nothing.
OK, I'm no expert on Korean peninsula politics, but is there
some evidence, beyond fanciful thinking, that presence of
U.S. forces in South Korea is that big a deal to Russia and
China? And that if it was, that they could induce Kim to
give up power? It seems far-fatched to me.
China and Russia have continually complained of being encircled by US
arms, just like the US complained about Soviet arms in Cuba. North
Korea's economy would collapse if China closed down its border with
North Korea to legal and illegal trade. Its biggest worry is a huge
influx of refugees from NK. If the US made public the plan I
outlined, and asked for joints talk with all parties involved to
implement it, the internal pressure on Kim to step down would increase
tremendously. And what is so great about Trump's plan to just make
bellicose threats?
Frank Berger
2017-08-11 15:56:27 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:18:45 -0400, Frank Berger
Post by Frank Berger
Post by Ricardo Jimenez
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:52:58 -0400, Frank Berger
Post by Frank Berger
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
You left out that Korean reunification would be accompanied by the
withdrawal of US forces and missiles from the Korean peninsula. The
idea is to make the deal so attractive to China and Russia that they
would do everything the could to make it happen. At least publicly,
the US is now offering next to nothing.
OK, I'm no expert on Korean peninsula politics, but is there
some evidence, beyond fanciful thinking, that presence of
U.S. forces in South Korea is that big a deal to Russia and
China? And that if it was, that they could induce Kim to
give up power? It seems far-fatched to me.
China and Russia have continually complained of being encircled by US
arms, just like the US complained about Soviet arms in Cuba. North
Korea's economy would collapse if China closed down its border with
North Korea to legal and illegal trade. Its biggest worry is a huge
influx of refugees from NK. If the US made public the plan I
outlined, and asked for joints talk with all parties involved to
implement it, the internal pressure on Kim to step down would increase
tremendously. And what is so great about Trump's plan to just make
bellicose threats?
I didn't say anything about Trump. I believe your "plan"
has circulated forever without ever moving forward. Perhaps
China is more afraid of the chaos that might ensue if the
Kim regime falls that it is of U.S. weapons in Korea. How
does that chaos get managed?
Ricardo Jimenez
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Post by Ricardo Jimenez
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:18:45 -0400, Frank Berger
Post by Frank Berger
Post by Ricardo Jimenez
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:52:58 -0400, Frank Berger
Post by Frank Berger
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
You left out that Korean reunification would be accompanied by the
withdrawal of US forces and missiles from the Korean peninsula. The
idea is to make the deal so attractive to China and Russia that they
would do everything the could to make it happen. At least publicly,
the US is now offering next to nothing.
OK, I'm no expert on Korean peninsula politics, but is there
some evidence, beyond fanciful thinking, that presence of
U.S. forces in South Korea is that big a deal to Russia and
China? And that if it was, that they could induce Kim to
give up power? It seems far-fatched to me.
China and Russia have continually complained of being encircled by US
arms, just like the US complained about Soviet arms in Cuba. North
Korea's economy would collapse if China closed down its border with
North Korea to legal and illegal trade. Its biggest worry is a huge
influx of refugees from NK. If the US made public the plan I
outlined, and asked for joints talk with all parties involved to
implement it, the internal pressure on Kim to step down would increase
tremendously. And what is so great about Trump's plan to just make
bellicose threats?
I didn't say anything about Trump. I believe your "plan"
has circulated forever without ever moving forward. Perhaps
China is more afraid of the chaos that might ensue if the
Kim regime falls that it is of U.S. weapons in Korea. How
does that chaos get managed?
There is some experience - the reunification of Germany. If a step by
step plan was proposed, the chances for chaos are diminished. And by
the way, THAAD, negotiated by the Obama administration, is another
bargaining chip.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-thaad-is-controversial-in-south-korea-china-and-russia/
Frank Berger
2017-08-11 17:43:50 UTC
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Post by Frank Berger
Post by Ricardo Jimenez
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:18:45 -0400, Frank Berger
Post by Frank Berger
Post by Ricardo Jimenez
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:52:58 -0400, Frank Berger
Post by Frank Berger
A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
You left out that Korean reunification would be accompanied by the
withdrawal of US forces and missiles from the Korean peninsula. The
idea is to make the deal so attractive to China and Russia that they
would do everything the could to make it happen. At least publicly,
the US is now offering next to nothing.
OK, I'm no expert on Korean peninsula politics, but is there
some evidence, beyond fanciful thinking, that presence of
U.S. forces in South Korea is that big a deal to Russia and
China? And that if it was, that they could induce Kim to
give up power? It seems far-fatched to me.
China and Russia have continually complained of being encircled by US
arms, just like the US complained about Soviet arms in Cuba. North
Korea's economy would collapse if China closed down its border with
North Korea to legal and illegal trade. Its biggest worry is a huge
influx of refugees from NK. If the US made public the plan I
outlined, and asked for joints talk with all parties involved to
implement it, the internal pressure on Kim to step down would increase
tremendously. And what is so great about Trump's plan to just make
bellicose threats?
I didn't say anything about Trump. I believe your "plan"
has circulated forever without ever moving forward. Perhaps
China is more afraid of the chaos that might ensue if the
Kim regime falls that it is of U.S. weapons in Korea. How
does that chaos get managed?
There is some experience - the reunification of Germany. If a step by
step plan was proposed, the chances for chaos are diminished. And by
the way, THAAD, negotiated by the Obama administration, is another
bargaining chip.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-thaad-is-controversial-in-south-korea-china-and-russia/
The German reunification followed the fall of communism in
the East. It was not the result of some kind of protacted
negotiation. Also the cultural divide (including knowledge
in the East about the West) between East and West Germans
was nowhere near the magnitude of the gulf between South and
North Korea engineered by generations of tyrants.

Your plan requires the regime of North Korea to abdicate,
agreeing to unification with the South under a democratic
government. China and Russia would seem to have had ample
reason to engineer a fall of NK regime but haven't done so.
Limiting U.S. missiles and radar in the peninsula won't do
so. The article you referred to is ridiculous. I don't
see Kim stepping down while he is alive. The only question
is how his death comes about.
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A suggestion was made that Korean reunification with a
democratic government would somehow be attractive to Kim.
Does someone want to explain that to me?
You left out that Korean reunification would be accompanied by the
withdrawal of US forces and missiles from the Korean peninsula. The
idea is to make the deal so attractive to China and Russia that they
would do everything the could to make it happen. At least publicly,
the US is now offering next to nothing.
OK, I'm no expert on Korean peninsula politics, but is there
some evidence, beyond fanciful thinking, that presence of
U.S. forces in South Korea is that big a deal to Russia and
China? And that if it was, that they could induce Kim to
give up power? It seems far-fatched to me.
China and Russia have continually complained of being encircled by US
arms, just like the US complained about Soviet arms in Cuba. North
Korea's economy would collapse if China closed down its border with
North Korea to legal and illegal trade. Its biggest worry is a huge
influx of refugees from NK. If the US made public the plan I
outlined, and asked for joints talk with all parties involved to
implement it, the internal pressure on Kim to step down would increase
tremendously. And what is so great about Trump's plan to just make
bellicose threats?
I didn't say anything about Trump. I believe your "plan"
has circulated forever without ever moving forward. Perhaps
China is more afraid of the chaos that might ensue if the
Kim regime falls that it is of U.S. weapons in Korea. How
does that chaos get managed?
There is some experience - the reunification of Germany. If a step by
step plan was proposed, the chances for chaos are diminished. And by
the way, THAAD, negotiated by the Obama administration, is another
bargaining chip.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-thaad-is-controversial-in-south-korea-china-and-russia/
The German reunification followed the fall of communism in the East. It
was not the result of some kind of protacted negotiation. Also the
cultural divide (including knowledge in the East about the West) between
East and West Germans was nowhere near the magnitude of the gulf between
South and North Korea engineered by generations of tyrants.
Your plan requires the regime of North Korea to abdicate, agreeing to
unification with the South under a democratic government. China and
Russia would seem to have had ample reason to engineer a fall of NK
regime but haven't done so. Limiting U.S. missiles and radar in the
peninsula won't do so. The article you referred to is ridiculous. I
don't see Kim stepping down while he is alive. The only question is how
his death comes about.
I think you're right, Frank. Reunification, and the chance for peace on
the Korean peninsula, comes about only when Kim and 'Kimism' (to coin a
word) are eliminated from the North. It will be a huge task, as the Kims
have held their nation in a state of national psychosis for many
decades. Perhaps--perhaps--we should offer to the Chinese a treaty
providing for the removal of US troops AFTER reunification and the
institution of a democratic regime in the entire country. Whether they'd
take it or not I don't know.
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Not just at State Fair time , but sans sticks ( usually ) :

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/entertainment/dining/2017/09/13/annual-world-food-music-festival-new-location-downtown-des-moines-western-gateway-park/654433001/
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,,, president so weak that he cannot even manage his own staff.
What concerns me most is what the North Koreans think they can , or must, do .
Do you think the North Koreans are more dangerous to us because of Trump?
The only solution I've heard that makes sense to me is for the US to
dangle the deal of reunification of the Koreas together with the US
withdrawing its troops and missiles from the peninsula. Mr. Kim can
run for President of the reunified country if he so desires, but of
course he won't be allowed to supervise the election. If the US says
that withdrawing its military is off the table under all conditions,
then disaster for the world is in the offing.
HT
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The only solution I've heard that makes sense to me is for the US to
dangle the deal of reunification of the Koreas together with the US
withdrawing its troops and missiles from the peninsula. Mr. Kim can
run for President of the reunified country if he so desires, but of
course he won't be allowed to supervise the election. If the US says
that withdrawing its military is off the table under all conditions,
then disaster for the world is in the offing.
This won't happen.Military bases near China are part of America's geo-political strategy. Besides, when the White House gets bored with North-Korea who will be the next one on the list of preferred countries to pick a fight with. Iran? Russia? China?

Henk
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Besides, when the White House gets bored with North-Korea who will be the next one on the list of >preferred countries to pick a fight with. Iran? Russia? China?
Wont get bored. War with North Korea appears baked into the cake already, probably right after the joint US-South Korean exercises later this month ( when NK also claims it will test fire 4 missiles at Guam ), and our Generals have apparently convinced DT he can " win " :

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/b-1-bombers-key-u-s-plan-strike-north-korean-n791221

The Generals also tried, but thankfully failed, to convince Pres.Kennedy he could " win " the Cuban missile crisis. But DT is no John Kennedy .
HT
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/b-1-bombers-key-u-s-plan-strike-north-korean-n791221
Maybe you are right. The generals may have found something they are not willing to let go (like dogs and a bone). Besides, according to one of this morning's newspapers here in the Netherlands American churches seem to believe declared that their god has given the US the right to nuke North-Korea. It sounds as if we are still living in the Middle Ages and perhaps we still do. <g>


Henk
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Besides, when the White House gets bored with North-Korea who will be the
next one on the list of >preferred countries to pick a fight with. Iran?
Russia? China?
Wont get bored. War with North Korea appears baked into the cake already,
probably right after the joint US-South Korean exercises later this month (
when NK also claims it will test fire 4 missiles at Guam ), and our Generals
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/b-1-bombers-key-u-s-plan-strike-north-
korean-n791221
The Generals also tried, but thankfully failed, to convince Pres.Kennedy he
could " win " the Cuban missile crisis. But DT is no John Kennedy .
The Generals also tried, and succeeded, to convince JFK he could "win"
the Bay of Pigs invasion.

LeMay certainly called for the invasion of Cuba during the missile
crisis, but so did almost all the staff, and probably all the staff did
call for it at one point or another. It was JFK himself who cooled
their heels, asking them to come up with a better solution, undoubtedly
feeling the Bay of Pigs scars he already had.

It was a good thing that he held back, as low ranking Soviet military
commanders on the beaches on Cuba had the authority to fire nukes at
any invading US force, which would have led to the annihilation of
Cuba, and a very good probability of a subsequent US-Soviet exchange.

It's interesting to note that almost all the contemporary accounts,
such as RFK's "Thirteen Days," were chock full of lies, which were
later outed by audio tapes of the meetings and records in the former
Soviet Union.

As far as North Korea goes, the previous decades of treating Kim like a
wacky uncle and ignoring him hasn't been very successful. He's grown
stronger and more technologically capable of delivering WMDs. Plus,
he's expanding his nuclear arsenal.

I don't know if Trump's strategy (or arguably, lack of strategy) will
be successful against Kim, but time is running out where any of the
other nations in the world will have the slightest amount of leverage
with him.



-Owen
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What concerns me most is what the North Koreans think they can , or must, do .
Steve,
I know you see North Korea as the greatest danger. Personally I'm more worried about the US. <g>
Best regards,
Henk
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* Bruschetta Sundae 'Mt. Vesuvius'
I remember a Johnny Carson 'Vesuvius Special!'

Stephen
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I remember a Johnny Carson 'Vesuvius Special!'
My question may be discreet, but I suspect the answer would not be.
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 5:40:58 PM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote: I
remember a Johnny Carson 'Vesuvius Special!'
My question may be discreet, but I suspect the answer would not be.
Thank goodness the joke is not easily accessible by google!
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 5:40:58 PM UTC-5, MINe109
wrote: I
remember a Johnny Carson 'Vesuvius Special!'
My question may be discreet, but I suspect the answer
would not be.
Thank goodness the joke is not easily accessible by google!
I looked also, and came up with a different Carson Vesuvius
joke:

To an out-of-towner who bragged on an audience card, “My
hometown of Cincinnati has much cleaner streets than New
York, signed Miriam,” he answered, “Pompeii, after Vesuvius
went off, had cleaner streets than New York.”
MiNe109
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Post by Bozo
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 5:40:58 PM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote: I
remember a Johnny Carson 'Vesuvius Special!'
My question may be discreet, but I suspect the answer would not be.
Thank goodness the joke is not easily accessible by google!
To an out-of-towner who bragged on an audience card, “My hometown of
Cincinnati has much cleaner streets than New York, signed Miriam,” he
answered, “Pompeii, after Vesuvius went off, had cleaner streets than
New York.”
Nice! Unlike the joke I recall, which was both gross and not funny.

Last year's Texas State Fair featured fried sliders and fried clam chowder.
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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 5:40:58 PM UTC-5, MINe109
wrote: I
remember a Johnny Carson 'Vesuvius Special!'
My question may be discreet, but I suspect the answer
would not be.
Thank goodness the joke is not easily accessible by google!
I looked also, and came up with a different Carson
To an out-of-towner who bragged on an audience card, “My
hometown of Cincinnati has much cleaner streets than New
York, signed Miriam,” he answered, “Pompeii, after
Vesuvius went off, had cleaner streets than New York.”
Nice! Unlike the joke I recall, which was both gross and not
funny.
Last year's Texas State Fair featured fried sliders and
fried clam chowder.
A basket of crawdads (in my non-kosher days) did it for me.
Boy, did it do it.
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http://data.desmoinesregister.com/fairfood/index.html
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/iowa-state-fair/2016/06/15/dig-into-these-26-new-foods-iowa-state-fair/85822514/
I'm curious, Steve; is the
American Society of Cardiologists a prime sponsor of the iowa State Fair? :)

Bob Harper
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And when I google it, I see there actually is such a thing
as lemonade cake, where you add lemonade.
I would prefer to add bourbon for a typical bourbon cake , but I guess you could add both for a whiskey sour cake ? Or just skip all the sugar in the lemonade and sugar and fat in the cake, and drink the bourbon.
Just saw someone on the Livewell network use bourbon (and dried fruit)
in cookies. I like the whiskey-lemonade idea (Truvia?) --all of this
probably addictive.

C.
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I like the whiskey-lemonade idea (Truvia?) --all of this
Iowa has bourbon, too , a bottle of this in my cabinet right now :

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/04/cedar-ridge-iowa-bourbon-whiskey-review.html


" I like to keep a bottle of stimulant handy in case I see a snake, which I also keep handy."

W. C. Fields
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Beer, 27 degree Super Chill and a Brisket Bacon Bomb, Ultimate.

Now that's good eatin'!
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http://www.iowastatefair.org/fair-attractions/food/on-a-stick/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/riotous-chanting-iowa-state-fair-crowd-gathers-for,33483/
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Can they really put salad (No. 62) on a stick?
John Thomas
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http://www.iowastatefair.org/fair-attractions/food/on-a-stick/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/riotous-chanting-iowa-state-fair-crowd-gathers-for,33483/
"Another reason to Caucus in Iowa: The Restaurants"
http://tinyurl.com/h9nku6c
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